Of course I realize Zaphod is trying to push our buttons. That’s why I said weeks ago that he is troll-like.

But not quite a troll. He has some interesting things to say at times, and sometimes is not pushing buttons, either. I actually think he’s not as well-informed as he thinks he is and that every now and then something actually penetrates and makes him think one iota differently. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic there, though.

He reminds me of Milo Y – totally outrageous, until he starts talking seriously about something, and then quite lucid (for want of a better word just now).

However, there is definitely some value in presenting the alternative sides of the questions when he goes on a tear.

Even your first sentence is silly and/or stupid: “We’re all aware of why Israel exists.” Who is this “we,” kemosabe? You don’t know what all of the people on this blog are aware of, much less most people in the US or elsewhere.

I have been astounded, actually, at how many intelligent (in the sense of high degrees from university) people I have spoken to who haven’t much knowledge if any of how Israel was created or why it exists. If you and I were to have an in-depth discussion on the subject – which I don’t have time to have here – I would bet that there are quite a few gaps in your knowledge as well. Of course, mine is not utterly comprehensive either. But I cannot speak for others, except for those with whom I’ve actually exchanged fairly lengthy words.

If you did know the how and why, then you would know why “White People in their own countries” are not analogous to Jews.

However, I defend the right of any country to limit immigration. I’ve never, for example, criticized Japan for its policies regarding immigration. It’s the right of a sovereign country to make such decisions.

The US has long been founded on immigration, and has decided to let a certain number of immigrants in every year. The method by which this occurs is (or is supposed to be) governed by law, and can be limited in any way. However, once people are here, the government does not and should not officially forbid ethnic or racial groups from living somewhere. We have a Constitution and amendments that forbid that, and you’ve given no indication of understanding the reasons behind that.

People are free to associate with whomever they wish, however. They are also free to live in cities or rural areas that are relatively homogeneous racially and ethnically – so far, anyway.

PS: Gaza is not Israel, so why you brought Gaza into the discussion is unclear. We are discussing internal/national regulations and barriers.

No counting for taste, but remember, “eat sh”t, and die” is an unstated law of the copybook.

We’re all aware of why Israel exists. Some of us are a trifle rose-tinted when it comes to just how that nuclear-armed sausage was made. It was very far from all sweetness and light on one side and all darkness and savagery on the other. Personally I couldn’t care less about the dirty stuff. Everybody deserves their own ethno-state or at the very least the right to live separately and with rights of free association if it must be within a multi-racial state. Even if they don’t own nearly all the networks, studios and printing presses.

If White Americans could miraculously gain political power, would you object if they banned all immigration or only permitted (say) European Immigration? How about if they decided to build some lovely big walls… For example not just at the border. I mean black cities and ghettos are full of dangerous people… Kind of like Gaza, you might say.

I’m not criticizing these aspects of Israel. I totally love them. Even unto the get hold of your land by hook or by crook and then make up rules to suit your own people and nobody else. What I fail to understand (rhetorically speaking.. in reality it’s Humpty Dumpy and Who is to be Master) why it’s OK for Jews to pull these stunts but not White People in their own countries.

A lot of folks seem to have major cogdis about this. What’s good for the goose is not good for the gander… in fact the gander is being some kind of racist Nazi when he promotes doing as the goose does. But we’re never likely to agree on this.

Thanks for the link.

Funny thing is that this morning I listened to a Z Man subscriber only podcast from last night and he was mocking Shullenberger for taking until 2021 to notice in print that there are these things such as the Red Pill (lucky he hasn’t met the Black Pill) and Yarvin. It’s like NR guys are living and grifting under a rock.

YMMV 🙂

But I will read him and see what he has to say. In advance of doing so, I’ll just state that NR & Cohorts have sat atop the commanding (hah) heights (hoh) of Conservatism (I die!) for like the last aeon or so… and yet look at where we are now today. So I’m somewhat prejudiced in favour of fresh approaches by fresh faces. Tomorrow certainly doesn’t belong to those doddering Neocons (I know, I know).

Do you have a single clue why Israel was founded as a Jewish state?

And that quote about the law of return from another commenter (which is somewhat incorrect, by the way, as I pointed out in another comment of mine) is about who is automatically entitled to emigrate to Israel. There are plenty of non-Jewish citizens in Israel, and that includes Arabs, some of whom constitute a fifth column within the country.

But, funny thing, there are virtually no Jewish citizens anymore in most of the Arab countries where Jews had lived for millennia.

“While I don’t know enough (or much at all, actually) about the subject, I would assume that Black Christians in SA, or most of them, are equal-opportunity worshipers and do-gooders; i.e., concerned about all who are in need (in keeping with their faith, at least in theory—though surely, it is not unnatural or blameworthy to focus on one’s own group).”

Christian Universalism seems to be a one-way street in that it’s usually or even mostly overly-altruistic Whites doing that thing. So far as I can tell — and doubtless there are exceptions — in non-Western parts of the world Christianity tends to work along ethnic and/or socioeconomic lines.

e.g.

In South Korea, basically being Christian and not Buddhist marks you out as belonging to the more educated scholar class.

In HK there is more social cachet to being Roman Catholic because it is associated with the most academically exclusive private schools.

In South America or the Philippines being a Mormon or a Seventh Day Adventist is kind of associated with having your #$%^ more together and having a metaphorical White Picket Fence cf. the more drinking, gambling, fornicating, lackadaisical Popish Syncretic Fellaheen.

In India there’s a definite Lower Caste whiff about Christianity (If you were a Brahmin or Bombay Stock-jobbing Millionaire Jain why give it all up?).

etc… etc.

But in all cases there’s almost something, you know, Tribal and In-Group about them. Very different to your average White Christian who thinks he’s doing everyone a favour by sponsoring Hmong, Sudanese, Afghans to come live in his community.

Africa… Well I’ll bet you Shekels to Bagels that the proponents on both sides in the late Rwandan Unpleasantness were belting out hymns on any given Sunday prior those unhappy events.

So, I don’t necessarily set much store by Christian affiliation of a minority in a sea of Zulu and Xhosa traditional juju worshippers (Witch Doctoring and the Medical Cannibalism of Albino Body Parts are making a big comeback). Doubtless there will be some martyrs. There always will. But I wouldn’t expect to go knocking on their doors for sanctuary when it kicks off either.

When the Mau Maus kicked off in Kenya, trustworthy old family retainers flipped overnight and murdered their White employers in their beds. Africa is kind of like that. Not all bad. They’re not all terrible. But you just never know.

Curiously I can remember small Bantu congregations doing full immersion baptisms along Durban Main Beach at dawn. Of course they sang. African harmonizing is incredible. Credit where due. My grandparents had a flat just off the Esplanade and I’d stay over sometimes and we would go out early for walks. In those days (early 70s) it was safe to walk unarmed in that area and in poor light. That was the beach early: Africans being baptised in the surf and Indian fishermen and their rowboats and sardine nets. I was too young to think in these terms, but it seemed in retrospect to be timeless.

I’m very much in favour of in-group preference and altruism. If everybody minded their own business the world would (mostly) be a better place. It’s not just a Jewish thing, of course. If anything the Puritan Strain is worse.