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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster.  I see that.  Sorry.  However, wrt the attributes:  If they&#039;re too much like those the men are supposed to be/do/act, and they require effort and possible sacrifice, they&#039;ll be in the position of punctuality, which is a white supremacy way of keeping POC down.  And against which CPT is a tool to fight oppression.
Or, if that doesn&#039;t work, they&#039;ll be renamed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster.  I see that.  Sorry.  However, wrt the attributes:  If they&#8217;re too much like those the men are supposed to be/do/act, and they require effort and possible sacrifice, they&#8217;ll be in the position of punctuality, which is a white supremacy way of keeping POC down.  And against which CPT is a tool to fight oppression.<br />
Or, if that doesn&#8217;t work, they&#8217;ll be renamed.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/08/the-feminization-of-college/#comment-2575908</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2021 02:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[geoffb on September 9, 2021 at 9:01 am 
I think  you are saying that you plan to keep the electricity working for quite a while longer.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geoffb on September 9, 2021 at 9:01 am<br />
I think  you are saying that you plan to keep the electricity working for quite a while longer.  🙂</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RA...made the mate-attraction point in the second paragraph of my original comment.  But that&#039;s not the *only* point that matters; if women are doing say 40% of some very critical job category, then the Criticizing Classes had better not dismiss the attributes needed for that job as only-male (or worse, only-white-male) characteristics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RA&#8230;made the mate-attraction point in the second paragraph of my original comment.  But that&#8217;s not the *only* point that matters; if women are doing say 40% of some very critical job category, then the Criticizing Classes had better not dismiss the attributes needed for that job as only-male (or worse, only-white-male) characteristics.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster.  Correct but missing the point.  Those characteristics are necessary for the work, for women.   For men, they&#039;re also necessary for attracting a mate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster.  Correct but missing the point.  Those characteristics are necessary for the work, for women.   For men, they&#8217;re also necessary for attracting a mate.</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, of course, a lot of women in healthcare positions, nurses, physicians, and others.  Serious mastery needed, plus sometimes courage, plus sometimes physical endurance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, of course, a lot of women in healthcare positions, nurses, physicians, and others.  Serious mastery needed, plus sometimes courage, plus sometimes physical endurance.</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Plenty of female air traffic controllers...judging from the voices on the radio, I&#039;d guess about 30%, maybe a little higher.  I definitely want my controller to have mastery of skills, also courage when needed.  Haven&#039;t seen any evidence that women are less-effective at these jobs.

Also plenty of female business-to-business salespeople...I&#039;ve had more than a few in organizations I was running.  Definitely need some courage for those jobs, certainly mastery both of sales skills and of product knowledge.

Those &#039;traditionally male&#039; attributes may show up most strongly in certain kinds of blue-collar jobs, but not restricted to those.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of female air traffic controllers&#8230;judging from the voices on the radio, I&#8217;d guess about 30%, maybe a little higher.  I definitely want my controller to have mastery of skills, also courage when needed.  Haven&#8217;t seen any evidence that women are less-effective at these jobs.</p>
<p>Also plenty of female business-to-business salespeople&#8230;I&#8217;ve had more than a few in organizations I was running.  Definitely need some courage for those jobs, certainly mastery both of sales skills and of product knowledge.</p>
<p>Those &#8216;traditionally male&#8217; attributes may show up most strongly in certain kinds of blue-collar jobs, but not restricted to those.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 20:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Women need the same attributes when doing the same jobs, &lt;/i&gt;

Share of women in the following occupations.  

9.9%: Surveying and mapping technicians
9.7%: Refuse and recyclable material collectors
9.5%: Architectural and engineering managers
9.3%: Computer network architects
9.3%: First-line supervisors of mechanics, installers, and repairers
9.0%: Computer numerically controlled tool operators and programmers
8.7%: Mechanical engineers
8.4%: Construction managers
8.3%: Painters and paperhangers
8.3%: Radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repairers
8.1%: Painting workers
8.0%: Broadcast, sound, and lighting technicians
7.8%: Cabinetmakers and bench carpenters
7.8%: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
7.7%: Locomotive engineers and operators
7.4%: Highway maintenance workers
7.0%: Tree trimmers and pruners
7.0%: Industrial truck and tractor operators
6.5%: Landscaping and groundskeeping workers
&lt;b&gt;6.3%: Telecommunications line installers and repairers&lt;/b&gt;
6.0%: First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers
5.8%: Drywall installers, ceiling tile installers, and tapers
5.8%: Machinists
5.6%: Sheet metal workers
5.6%: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
5.4%: Aircraft mechanics and service technicians
5.2%: Industrial and refractory machinery mechanics
4.4%: Firefighters
4.3%: Maintenance and repair workers, general
4.2%: Millwrights
3.9%: Carpet, floor, and tile installers and finishers
3.9%: Construction equipment operators
3.8%: Construction laborers
3.8%: Welding, soldering, and brazing workers
3.5%: First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers
3.3%: Roofers
3.2%: Electrical and electronic engineering technologists and technicians
3.2%: Carpenters
3.1%: Electricians
2.9%: Insulation workers
2.8%: Cement masons, concrete finishers, and terrazzo workers
2.5%: Pest control workers
2.3%: Plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters
1.8%: Bus and truck mechanics and diesel engine specialists
1.5%: Heating, air conditioning, and refrigeration mechanics and installers
1.4%: Automotive service technicians and mechanics
&lt;b&gt;1.3%: Electrical power-line installers and repairers&lt;/b&gt;
1.0%: Automotive body and related repairers
0.8%: Heavy vehicle and mobile equipment service technicians and mechanics
0.8%: Crane and tower operators
0.3%: Brickmasons, blockmasons, and stonemasons
0.0%: Security and fire alarm systems installers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Women need the same attributes when doing the same jobs, </i></p>
<p>Share of women in the following occupations.  </p>
<p>9.9%: Surveying and mapping technicians<br />
9.7%: Refuse and recyclable material collectors<br />
9.5%: Architectural and engineering managers<br />
9.3%: Computer network architects<br />
9.3%: First-line supervisors of mechanics, installers, and repairers<br />
9.0%: Computer numerically controlled tool operators and programmers<br />
8.7%: Mechanical engineers<br />
8.4%: Construction managers<br />
8.3%: Painters and paperhangers<br />
8.3%: Radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repairers<br />
8.1%: Painting workers<br />
8.0%: Broadcast, sound, and lighting technicians<br />
7.8%: Cabinetmakers and bench carpenters<br />
7.8%: Driver/sales workers and truck drivers<br />
7.7%: Locomotive engineers and operators<br />
7.4%: Highway maintenance workers<br />
7.0%: Tree trimmers and pruners<br />
7.0%: Industrial truck and tractor operators<br />
6.5%: Landscaping and groundskeeping workers<br />
<b>6.3%: Telecommunications line installers and repairers</b><br />
6.0%: First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers<br />
5.8%: Drywall installers, ceiling tile installers, and tapers<br />
5.8%: Machinists<br />
5.6%: Sheet metal workers<br />
5.6%: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers<br />
5.4%: Aircraft mechanics and service technicians<br />
5.2%: Industrial and refractory machinery mechanics<br />
4.4%: Firefighters<br />
4.3%: Maintenance and repair workers, general<br />
4.2%: Millwrights<br />
3.9%: Carpet, floor, and tile installers and finishers<br />
3.9%: Construction equipment operators<br />
3.8%: Construction laborers<br />
3.8%: Welding, soldering, and brazing workers<br />
3.5%: First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers<br />
3.3%: Roofers<br />
3.2%: Electrical and electronic engineering technologists and technicians<br />
3.2%: Carpenters<br />
3.1%: Electricians<br />
2.9%: Insulation workers<br />
2.8%: Cement masons, concrete finishers, and terrazzo workers<br />
2.5%: Pest control workers<br />
2.3%: Plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters<br />
1.8%: Bus and truck mechanics and diesel engine specialists<br />
1.5%: Heating, air conditioning, and refrigeration mechanics and installers<br />
1.4%: Automotive service technicians and mechanics<br />
<b>1.3%: Electrical power-line installers and repairers</b><br />
1.0%: Automotive body and related repairers<br />
0.8%: Heavy vehicle and mobile equipment service technicians and mechanics<br />
0.8%: Crane and tower operators<br />
0.3%: Brickmasons, blockmasons, and stonemasons<br />
0.0%: Security and fire alarm systems installers</p>
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		By: David+Foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course, &quot;courage, physical prowess (and) mastery of the necessary skills&quot; are as necessary for a lineman repairing a power line after a storm as they are for a homesteading farmer in 1850, or a Sioux warrior who needs to hunt to support his family.  There are indeed many jobs today for which the physical prowess part of the specification isn&#039;t really relevant, but courage and mastery of skills certainly are.

Women need the same attributes when doing the same jobs, although they don&#039;t usually have to &quot;prove their competence as protectors and providers&quot; to attract a good mate in the way that men do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, &#8220;courage, physical prowess (and) mastery of the necessary skills&#8221; are as necessary for a lineman repairing a power line after a storm as they are for a homesteading farmer in 1850, or a Sioux warrior who needs to hunt to support his family.  There are indeed many jobs today for which the physical prowess part of the specification isn&#8217;t really relevant, but courage and mastery of skills certainly are.</p>
<p>Women need the same attributes when doing the same jobs, although they don&#8217;t usually have to &#8220;prove their competence as protectors and providers&#8221; to attract a good mate in the way that men do.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/08/the-feminization-of-college/#comment-2575807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;but boys had to pass a test. They needed to demonstrate courage, physical prowess or mastery of the necessary skills. The goal was to prove their competence as protectors and providers&quot;

This is called &quot;the man box&quot; and The Good Men Project is dead against it.  You have to read the thing not to believe it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but boys had to pass a test. They needed to demonstrate courage, physical prowess or mastery of the necessary skills. The goal was to prove their competence as protectors and providers&#8221;</p>
<p>This is called &#8220;the man box&#8221; and The Good Men Project is dead against it.  You have to read the thing not to believe it.</p>
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		By: Steph		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 16:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Charles @ 11:33
that there was no dissenting from the orthodox view. It was the attitude that this is the way ALL smart people think and if you don’t think like us then you cannot be smart. Higher education was no longer about examining ALL viewpoints and coming to conclusions based upon empirical data. There was a right way to interpret thoughts or to view the world and no other way mattered. There were no sudden teachable moments; just opportunities to indoctrinate. It was “we are the elite and to join us you have to think this way.”

Very much echoes my experience in college in the late 70&#039;s - early eighties when I attended day classes.

Funny though, the difference in evening classes. There the teachers often were professionals with daytime jobs outside of the education institutions. They were there to teach, and to provide real-life experience (hey, you want to know why &quot;this&quot; is important - because in the real world &quot;this&quot; comes up all of the time, that&#039;s why). They weren&#039;t there to provide opinion. This was true in English and History classes as well as in Maths. And many of the students, like me, were working full-time jobs during the day, earning money to PAY for school, so we didn&#039;t tolerate a bunch of bullshit coming from the professor/instructor. 

Why, you could say the difference was like night and day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles @ 11:33<br />
that there was no dissenting from the orthodox view. It was the attitude that this is the way ALL smart people think and if you don’t think like us then you cannot be smart. Higher education was no longer about examining ALL viewpoints and coming to conclusions based upon empirical data. There was a right way to interpret thoughts or to view the world and no other way mattered. There were no sudden teachable moments; just opportunities to indoctrinate. It was “we are the elite and to join us you have to think this way.”</p>
<p>Very much echoes my experience in college in the late 70&#8217;s &#8211; early eighties when I attended day classes.</p>
<p>Funny though, the difference in evening classes. There the teachers often were professionals with daytime jobs outside of the education institutions. They were there to teach, and to provide real-life experience (hey, you want to know why &#8220;this&#8221; is important &#8211; because in the real world &#8220;this&#8221; comes up all of the time, that&#8217;s why). They weren&#8217;t there to provide opinion. This was true in English and History classes as well as in Maths. And many of the students, like me, were working full-time jobs during the day, earning money to PAY for school, so we didn&#8217;t tolerate a bunch of bullshit coming from the professor/instructor. </p>
<p>Why, you could say the difference was like night and day.</p>
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