Comments on: What’s next for our new partners in peace, the Taliban?

By: geoffb

geoffb — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:03:05 +0000

Huxley, since 9/11 we’ve had a number of sermons concerning martyrs of the faith in the Christian lands that were occupied and ruled by Islam in Eastern Europe. Horrific things done to those who refused to convert and submit.

By: huxley

huxley — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 17:53:50 +0000

Don’t leave out the Eastern and Greek Orthodox churches which together make up the 2nd largest Christian denomination and have the most extensive history with Islam and what it means to be under their domination.

geoffb:

True.

I once debated progressive Episcopalians about Islam. One quoted a Greek Orthodox leader about how well Christians and Muslims were getting along.

My reply:
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As the resident bad boy in this discussion, I’ll be blunt and say that this is exactly the sort of empty, misleading, diplomatic Christian rhetoric that will make no difference whatsoever in the current conflict except to delay the reformation of Islamic jihad.

It is a polite, politic lie to state that Eastern Christians “have coexisted with Muslims in cooperation and harmony from the beginning of the Islamic message until the present day.”

For centuries the lands of the Eastern Church were Christian. For centuries Constantinople was the center of Christianity, then after the East/West split, it was the center of the Eastern Church.

Today, after many wars with Muslms, Constantinople is now named Istanbul in the nation of Turkey, where Christians compose less than 1% of the population.

May Western Christians be spared such harmonious coexistence with Muslims!

By: geoffb

geoffb — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 16:56:57 +0000

Hard to depart too much in a religion that has as it’s foundation a book that is considered the literal-really-really-literal word of God unlike Christianity where the Bible is known to have been written by humans and so subject to human interpretation of what it all means.

@huxley,

By: Zaphod

Zaphod — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 15:50:42 +0000

@huxley:

Nothing an Auto-da-fé or three couldn’t fix. Gotta be public. Pits and Pendulums won’t do. Islamic heterodoxy doesn’t stray too far from the mother lode because the dialectic rapidly goes kinetic.

By: huxley

huxley — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 15:36:54 +0000

Surprisingly, Muslims are far more unified on believing the Virgin Birth of Christ than Christians.

By: huxley

huxley — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 15:09:36 +0000

Let’s not forget that Islam is way less united than Christianity. There’s very little that a Nation of Islam believer would see eye to eye about with a Saudi Prince. Likewise both of them with an Iranian Mullah.

Chester Draws:

However, the Nation of Islam is to Islam pretty much what the Children of God are to Christianity — both are fringe cults of personality vey loosely based on a major religion.

Given the range of current Christianity from progressive churches which uphold basic Christian tenets only in the most metaphorical terms to strictly fundamentalist churches plus the huge Catholic Church which is its own thing, I’d say Islam is a more unified religion.

Sufism gets loose at the edges but generally is more deeply coupled to orthodox Islam than Westerners believe.

The Sunni/Shia divide is based on a succession disagreement early on, not basic doctrinal differences.

By: geoffb

geoffb — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 12:37:45 +0000

Deny, deny, deny and cutouts all the way down when anything true leaks out from the Afghan-Taliban occupied zones.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/landonmion/2021/09/05/report-taliban-executed-pregnant-female-cop-in-front-of-her-family-n2595343

By: Zaphod

Zaphod — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 02:59:41 +0000

Well thanks for that erudite back hander, Tully Old Mate!

By: Cicero

Cicero — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 02:55:31 +0000

I agree with all you lucidly wrote today, Zaphod.

By: Zaphod

Zaphod — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 02:11:39 +0000

@ChesterDraws:

True re Blacks and Nation of Islam.

As for the other Muslims:

The main thing is to stop importing more of them and to keep a wary eye on the ones already in the USA. Better to deport them, but one can’t have it all in this imperfect world.

What they do to each other or anyone else anywhere else in the world is Other People’s Business, not the business of the USA.

Everything else is ‘Details’.