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		By: Cicero		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The awful JCOS chief, Gen. Milley, speaks of the future of Afghanistan, but, but, but the US hadda get outta there ASAP. Right, General? &quot;But I was only following orders&quot; will be his response.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/milley-says-civil-war-in-afghanistan-likely-after-us-withdrawal-could-lead-to-reconstitution-of-al-qaeda]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The awful JCOS chief, Gen. Milley, speaks of the future of Afghanistan, but, but, but the US hadda get outta there ASAP. Right, General? &#8220;But I was only following orders&#8221; will be his response.<br />
<a href="https://www.foxnews.com/politics/milley-says-civil-war-in-afghanistan-likely-after-us-withdrawal-could-lead-to-reconstitution-of-al-qaeda" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foxnews.com/politics/milley-says-civil-war-in-afghanistan-likely-after-us-withdrawal-could-lead-to-reconstitution-of-al-qaeda</a></p>
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		By: Griffin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 20:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

Sean Davis retweeted Max Abrahms who retweeted this guy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>Sean Davis retweeted Max Abrahms who retweeted this guy.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 19:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chases Eagles:

Actually, I agree with you that the ceasefire was a betrayal.  But by then the American public had very much soured on the war and Nixon wanted to hurry things up.  

Also, didn&#039;t Nixon secretly pledge to give the South a lot of support if the North attacked? But Watergate ultimately intervened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chases Eagles:</p>
<p>Actually, I agree with you that the ceasefire was a betrayal.  But by then the American public had very much soured on the war and Nixon wanted to hurry things up.  </p>
<p>Also, didn&#8217;t Nixon secretly pledge to give the South a lot of support if the North attacked? But Watergate ultimately intervened.</p>
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		By: Chases Eagles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chases Eagles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 18:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,
I have read this before. I was quite aware of the end of the war. By 1972 I had already an extensive military history reference collection and I paid close attention to military activities. During the ’72 offensive and counter offensive and the Linebacker II B-52 raids my father was at SAC HQ and he kept me well informed. I thought the ceasefire was an atrocious betrayal at the time and knew even at age 15 once the POWs were returned, we would never go back. From mid-73 to mid-75, Father was at five-sided Puzzle Palace. Again, he kept me well informed during the Yom Kippur War and the Fall of Vietnam. My opinions were formed real-time and nothing has changed them. I would have become a military historian (my true love) but my life got derailed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,<br />
I have read this before. I was quite aware of the end of the war. By 1972 I had already an extensive military history reference collection and I paid close attention to military activities. During the ’72 offensive and counter offensive and the Linebacker II B-52 raids my father was at SAC HQ and he kept me well informed. I thought the ceasefire was an atrocious betrayal at the time and knew even at age 15 once the POWs were returned, we would never go back. From mid-73 to mid-75, Father was at five-sided Puzzle Palace. Again, he kept me well informed during the Yom Kippur War and the Fall of Vietnam. My opinions were formed real-time and nothing has changed them. I would have become a military historian (my true love) but my life got derailed.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 16:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seventy thousand Afghan troops have died in this twenty-year pseudo-war, as compared to 2500 US troops.

Our overnight abandonment of Bagram meant the Afghan troops no longer had any air cover at all, so they melted into the night lest they be killed in combat. But the Taliban will hunt them down and kill them, nevertheless, as they will interpreters and others on the biometric profile list Biden gifted the Taliban. Along with untold billions worth of military equipment.

We, no, the Democratic Congress, not we the people, blew Vietnam.
We blew Iraq because of MSM/Democrat hysteria over Abu Graib, a truly trivial occurrence. 
Now we&#039;ve blown Afghanistan.
Taiwan is probably next.

We have Joint Chiefs of Staff who are rotten soldiers who do not know how to fight. We have a black SecDef whose greatest concern on taking that office was &quot;systemic racism&quot; in the military, though he himself had achieved the rank of General. 
We have a Sec. of State, Blinken, a former nothing, who makes Hillary  look thoughtful and conscientious. 

We have become just another crappy socialist country. Defense budgeting is squeezed by the inexorable demands of the ever-expanding entitlement programs. If that&#039;s not socialism, I do not know what is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seventy thousand Afghan troops have died in this twenty-year pseudo-war, as compared to 2500 US troops.</p>
<p>Our overnight abandonment of Bagram meant the Afghan troops no longer had any air cover at all, so they melted into the night lest they be killed in combat. But the Taliban will hunt them down and kill them, nevertheless, as they will interpreters and others on the biometric profile list Biden gifted the Taliban. Along with untold billions worth of military equipment.</p>
<p>We, no, the Democratic Congress, not we the people, blew Vietnam.<br />
We blew Iraq because of MSM/Democrat hysteria over Abu Graib, a truly trivial occurrence.<br />
Now we&#8217;ve blown Afghanistan.<br />
Taiwan is probably next.</p>
<p>We have Joint Chiefs of Staff who are rotten soldiers who do not know how to fight. We have a black SecDef whose greatest concern on taking that office was &#8220;systemic racism&#8221; in the military, though he himself had achieved the rank of General.<br />
We have a Sec. of State, Blinken, a former nothing, who makes Hillary  look thoughtful and conscientious. </p>
<p>We have become just another crappy socialist country. Defense budgeting is squeezed by the inexorable demands of the ever-expanding entitlement programs. If that&#8217;s not socialism, I do not know what is.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 14:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Perhaps a proportion of what looked like nation-building was designed as eye-wash to make it harder for the democrats to insist we’re a bunch of fascist imperialists and we need to hand the place over to their friends (see Viet Nam and others since).&lt;/i&gt;

Richard Aubrey:

That was some of my impression. Certainly in Iraq where Colin Powell stated the &quot;Pottery Barn Rule&quot;* -- &quot;You broke it, you bought it.&quot; It seemed to me that some of that rubbed off on Afghanistan. I think we were also playing to the UN.

neo has looked into Afghanistan deeper than I have. Perhaps she has some thoughts.
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*Amusingly enough, Pottery Barn denied the &quot;Pottery Barn Rule&quot; was true of their stores.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Perhaps a proportion of what looked like nation-building was designed as eye-wash to make it harder for the democrats to insist we’re a bunch of fascist imperialists and we need to hand the place over to their friends (see Viet Nam and others since).</i></p>
<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>That was some of my impression. Certainly in Iraq where Colin Powell stated the &#8220;Pottery Barn Rule&#8221;* &#8212; &#8220;You broke it, you bought it.&#8221; It seemed to me that some of that rubbed off on Afghanistan. I think we were also playing to the UN.</p>
<p>neo has looked into Afghanistan deeper than I have. Perhaps she has some thoughts.<br />
___________________________</p>
<p>*Amusingly enough, Pottery Barn denied the &#8220;Pottery Barn Rule&#8221; was true of their stores.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chases Eagles:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2007/09/05/vietnam-remembering-the-second-act/&quot;&gt;Please see this post&lt;/a&gt; about the last years of the Vietnam War.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chases Eagles:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2007/09/05/vietnam-remembering-the-second-act/">Please see this post</a> about the last years of the Vietnam War.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

Re the Whitlock book - I have read about the war in Afghanistan for 20 years, and I don&#039;t think anyone really believed we were &quot;winning&quot; there in any real way, whatever the propaganda was.  I think most people felt it was stalemated, had helped some of the people of Afghanistan (especially the women), and had prevented large-scale terrorist attacks like 9/11, and that was about all we could hope for.  A majority of Americans felt we should get out, and under Trump we were almost all out. 

The author of that book clearly wanted it to be like the Pentagon Papers - for example, the title.  The MSM&#039;s glory days. I just don&#039;t see that what he&#039;s saying is news - if he&#039;s saying the government painted a considerably rosier picture of what was going on in Afghanistan than what was actually happening there, then didn&#039;t everyone pretty much know that already?

By the way, the Pentagon Papers were somewhat mischaracterized by the  MSM to make the government look worse.  I wrote a post on that - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenewneo.com/2006/11/14/government-lies-press-lies-finding/&quot;&gt;you can find it here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Re the Whitlock book &#8211; I have read about the war in Afghanistan for 20 years, and I don&#8217;t think anyone really believed we were &#8220;winning&#8221; there in any real way, whatever the propaganda was.  I think most people felt it was stalemated, had helped some of the people of Afghanistan (especially the women), and had prevented large-scale terrorist attacks like 9/11, and that was about all we could hope for.  A majority of Americans felt we should get out, and under Trump we were almost all out. </p>
<p>The author of that book clearly wanted it to be like the Pentagon Papers &#8211; for example, the title.  The MSM&#8217;s glory days. I just don&#8217;t see that what he&#8217;s saying is news &#8211; if he&#8217;s saying the government painted a considerably rosier picture of what was going on in Afghanistan than what was actually happening there, then didn&#8217;t everyone pretty much know that already?</p>
<p>By the way, the Pentagon Papers were somewhat mischaracterized by the  MSM to make the government look worse.  I wrote a post on that &#8211; <a href="http://www.thenewneo.com/2006/11/14/government-lies-press-lies-finding/">you can find it here</a>.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 11:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

And if that writer has no idea why we stayed in Afghanistan, I can answer that question: to prevent it from becoming a terrorist stronghold and center again for attacks.

I&#039;m sure that over time, other reasons came to be part of the reason we stayed. For example, our presence there was lucrative for some people and some companies.  Also, there were aspects of &quot;nation-building&quot; (such as more liberty, particularly for women) that appeal to Americans.  But the basic reason we didn&#039;t leave shortly after getting rid of the Taliban, and why we tried to &quot;nation-build&quot; in the first place, was to keep the Afghanistan from becoming a big terrorist base again.

The Taliban certainly seemed to understand that, because one of the first things they did was release the prisoners held at Bagram.

Now, it can certainly be argued that our presence in Afghanistan wasn&#039;t worth it, that in the end we would have to leave and it would revert again, etc. etc.. But to state categorically, as that writer did, that it wasn&#039;t in our interest to stay after the initial fighting, is to be ignorant of many of the reasons we stayed and that some of them (preventing of large-scale terrorist attacks such as 9/11) seem to have been successful.

In addition, Richard Aubrey makes some good points in the comment above this one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>And if that writer has no idea why we stayed in Afghanistan, I can answer that question: to prevent it from becoming a terrorist stronghold and center again for attacks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that over time, other reasons came to be part of the reason we stayed. For example, our presence there was lucrative for some people and some companies.  Also, there were aspects of &#8220;nation-building&#8221; (such as more liberty, particularly for women) that appeal to Americans.  But the basic reason we didn&#8217;t leave shortly after getting rid of the Taliban, and why we tried to &#8220;nation-build&#8221; in the first place, was to keep the Afghanistan from becoming a big terrorist base again.</p>
<p>The Taliban certainly seemed to understand that, because one of the first things they did was release the prisoners held at Bagram.</p>
<p>Now, it can certainly be argued that our presence in Afghanistan wasn&#8217;t worth it, that in the end we would have to leave and it would revert again, etc. etc.. But to state categorically, as that writer did, that it wasn&#8217;t in our interest to stay after the initial fighting, is to be ignorant of many of the reasons we stayed and that some of them (preventing of large-scale terrorist attacks such as 9/11) seem to have been successful.</p>
<p>In addition, Richard Aubrey makes some good points in the comment above this one.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 11:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Said it before but....notthebee presumes a substantial proportion of our effort was to nation-build and relates all the reasons it wouldn&#039;t work.  Didn&#039;t work.
To some extent, that&#039;s a straw man.
What proportion of our effort--other than fighting--was designed to provide a relatively stable environment for a forward presence in Central Asia?  That&#039;s not the same as nation-building.
Perhaps a proportion of what looked like nation-building was designed as eye-wash to make it harder for the democrats to insist we&#039;re a bunch of fascist imperialists and we need to hand the place over to their friends (see Viet Nam and others since).
Point is, describing how nation building failed may be addressing a big fat nothing.
This is not to say we didn&#039;t, or shouldn&#039;t, try to bring the folks up a couple of centuries.  But we&#039;re not leaving because we couldn&#039;t get them to pose for a Norman Rockwell calendar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Said it before but&#8230;.notthebee presumes a substantial proportion of our effort was to nation-build and relates all the reasons it wouldn&#8217;t work.  Didn&#8217;t work.<br />
To some extent, that&#8217;s a straw man.<br />
What proportion of our effort&#8211;other than fighting&#8211;was designed to provide a relatively stable environment for a forward presence in Central Asia?  That&#8217;s not the same as nation-building.<br />
Perhaps a proportion of what looked like nation-building was designed as eye-wash to make it harder for the democrats to insist we&#8217;re a bunch of fascist imperialists and we need to hand the place over to their friends (see Viet Nam and others since).<br />
Point is, describing how nation building failed may be addressing a big fat nothing.<br />
This is not to say we didn&#8217;t, or shouldn&#8217;t, try to bring the folks up a couple of centuries.  But we&#8217;re not leaving because we couldn&#8217;t get them to pose for a Norman Rockwell calendar.</p>
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