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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/02/scotus-refuses-to-block-the-texas-heartbeat-law-at-present/#comment-2575023</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 19:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cappy:

They don&#039;t need legions. They just need one or a couple of test cases.  People wouldn&#039;t have to self-fund, either - I imagine there will be donations to fund such cases.

And the law itself may have a chilling effect even without any cases, if most doctors don&#039;t want to assume the risk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cappy:</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t need legions. They just need one or a couple of test cases.  People wouldn&#8217;t have to self-fund, either &#8211; I imagine there will be donations to fund such cases.</p>
<p>And the law itself may have a chilling effect even without any cases, if most doctors don&#8217;t want to assume the risk.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 13:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The law seems reasonable.

Don&#039;t forget, bringing a civil suit is costly, so I think the risk of legions of massively funded Karens plaguing doctors en masse is far fetched.  And there&#039;s also the medical emergency clause.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law seems reasonable.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget, bringing a civil suit is costly, so I think the risk of legions of massively funded Karens plaguing doctors en masse is far fetched.  And there&#8217;s also the medical emergency clause.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First the pill and then, &#039;the right&#039; to kill an innocent unborn life, freed young men from parental responsibilty. 

If she gets pregnant, it&#039;s solely her decision and thus her  responsibility. No say in the decision, no responsibility. 

That is the unintended consequence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First the pill and then, &#8216;the right&#8217; to kill an innocent unborn life, freed young men from parental responsibilty. </p>
<p>If she gets pregnant, it&#8217;s solely her decision and thus her  responsibility. No say in the decision, no responsibility. </p>
<p>That is the unintended consequence.</p>
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		By: Owen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Owen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great comments, all.  “Deckhand_Dreams” raises serious practical questions about the imputed culpability of defendants charged with “aiding and abetting” an abortionist.  How can the Uber driver know?  How can the plaintiff know that a given procedure violated the standard?  At least in a class action you have to have bought the defective product or suffered injury from the toxic spill or otherwise established that you have suffered injury enough to get into court.  Here?  Can I start a suit by claiming that I feel terrible at the non-zero rate of abortions at the XYZ clinic over the past N months?

I think the law was too clever by half; may be mostly an effort to serve the Progressives a heaping helping of their own nasty Lawfare practice; and is going to paralyze the state and perhaps the nation.  The Supremes’ punt won’t last long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments, all.  “Deckhand_Dreams” raises serious practical questions about the imputed culpability of defendants charged with “aiding and abetting” an abortionist.  How can the Uber driver know?  How can the plaintiff know that a given procedure violated the standard?  At least in a class action you have to have bought the defective product or suffered injury from the toxic spill or otherwise established that you have suffered injury enough to get into court.  Here?  Can I start a suit by claiming that I feel terrible at the non-zero rate of abortions at the XYZ clinic over the past N months?</p>
<p>I think the law was too clever by half; may be mostly an effort to serve the Progressives a heaping helping of their own nasty Lawfare practice; and is going to paralyze the state and perhaps the nation.  The Supremes’ punt won’t last long.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LeClerc:

I&#039;m not at all sure that&#039;s correct.  I was around prior to Roe, and my recollection is that there was a ton of abortion of the illegal back alley variety.  I know a great many people who had abortions back then, before it was legal.  Very harrowing tales.  Some of them were very young indeed (mid-teens).  Some have regretted it ever since.  Probably none of them appear in statistics, because it was done secretly.

In addition, there were a lot of shotgun weddings.  A lot.  And lastly, there were many children given up for adoption.

I can&#039;t compare the number of unwanted pregnancies then and now.  It may indeed be significantly higher now. But it was quite high then, and people just dealt with it in different ways.

I agree, though, that in an age of widely available effective birth control, unwanted pregnancy should be quite rare. But it&#039;s not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeClerc:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all sure that&#8217;s correct.  I was around prior to Roe, and my recollection is that there was a ton of abortion of the illegal back alley variety.  I know a great many people who had abortions back then, before it was legal.  Very harrowing tales.  Some of them were very young indeed (mid-teens).  Some have regretted it ever since.  Probably none of them appear in statistics, because it was done secretly.</p>
<p>In addition, there were a lot of shotgun weddings.  A lot.  And lastly, there were many children given up for adoption.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t compare the number of unwanted pregnancies then and now.  It may indeed be significantly higher now. But it was quite high then, and people just dealt with it in different ways.</p>
<p>I agree, though, that in an age of widely available effective birth control, unwanted pregnancy should be quite rare. But it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeClerc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 16:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NYC in the decade before Roe:  young men and women living together outside of marriage (translation = sleeping together outside of marriage). What made this possible ?   Birth control meds.   Abortion in that culture was the result of an &quot;accidental&quot; pregnancy.  With Roe, such &quot;accidents&quot; could be nullified - resulting in sex without traditional forethought and responsibility. Roe advocates could always point to rape and incest as causes of &quot;unwanted pregnancies&quot;.  Even Bubba advised the &quot;safe, legal, and rare&quot; approach - but obviously to no avail. 

To its passionate advocates abortion signifies freedom and independence. Fetus be damned. Heartbeat be damned.  Make the world safe for AOC and Megan Rapinoe !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYC in the decade before Roe:  young men and women living together outside of marriage (translation = sleeping together outside of marriage). What made this possible ?   Birth control meds.   Abortion in that culture was the result of an &#8220;accidental&#8221; pregnancy.  With Roe, such &#8220;accidents&#8221; could be nullified &#8211; resulting in sex without traditional forethought and responsibility. Roe advocates could always point to rape and incest as causes of &#8220;unwanted pregnancies&#8221;.  Even Bubba advised the &#8220;safe, legal, and rare&#8221; approach &#8211; but obviously to no avail. </p>
<p>To its passionate advocates abortion signifies freedom and independence. Fetus be damned. Heartbeat be damned.  Make the world safe for AOC and Megan Rapinoe !</p>
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		By: Robert Shotzberger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Shotzberger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 15:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how they can enjoin the law at all. Texas is aiming at provider, not the patient. Interesting law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how they can enjoin the law at all. Texas is aiming at provider, not the patient. Interesting law.</p>
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		By: Dick Illyes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/02/scotus-refuses-to-block-the-texas-heartbeat-law-at-present/#comment-2574817</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Illyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 15:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As starving lawyers find ways to use the new law to litigate every miscarriage in Texas the Texas GOP will have to decide if letting their single issue pro-lifers control the party is a good idea.

If the Texas Democrats stop talking about taking the guns and run on repealing this law they could capture the huge independent vote in Texas, changing things in very unpredictable ways.    Decriminalizing gun possession by law abiding people is overwhelmingly popular in Texas.  That is how so-called Constitutional Carry is perceived here.

Texas is not a Red State as much as it is an Independent Leave Me Alone state.   What might happen if former Independents become a dominant voice in the Democrat Party?   Who will lead when the Boomers age out?  It won&#039;t be Beto.  An entirely new Texas Democrat Party may be the result of this law.

What message will the Texas GOP coalesce around when faced with destruction  in 2022?  It is hard to see any single issue pro-lifer change or let go, and they control every office from Precinct Committee Person up in the GOP.   What we may see are GOP incumbents moving away from the pro-lifers to save themselves.  

Straight ticket voting is not allowed in Texas.  This could result in GOP for national offices and Democrats for State Legislature.

The future just got much much more opaque.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As starving lawyers find ways to use the new law to litigate every miscarriage in Texas the Texas GOP will have to decide if letting their single issue pro-lifers control the party is a good idea.</p>
<p>If the Texas Democrats stop talking about taking the guns and run on repealing this law they could capture the huge independent vote in Texas, changing things in very unpredictable ways.    Decriminalizing gun possession by law abiding people is overwhelmingly popular in Texas.  That is how so-called Constitutional Carry is perceived here.</p>
<p>Texas is not a Red State as much as it is an Independent Leave Me Alone state.   What might happen if former Independents become a dominant voice in the Democrat Party?   Who will lead when the Boomers age out?  It won&#8217;t be Beto.  An entirely new Texas Democrat Party may be the result of this law.</p>
<p>What message will the Texas GOP coalesce around when faced with destruction  in 2022?  It is hard to see any single issue pro-lifer change or let go, and they control every office from Precinct Committee Person up in the GOP.   What we may see are GOP incumbents moving away from the pro-lifers to save themselves.  </p>
<p>Straight ticket voting is not allowed in Texas.  This could result in GOP for national offices and Democrats for State Legislature.</p>
<p>The future just got much much more opaque.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If there was a first trimester limit, then the pro-life movement could change their emphasis toward preventing pregnancy in teens and offering options such as adoption. There will always be some abortions, but changing attitudes among the majority would be great. It might also get guys to take fatherhood more seriously, which would affect joining gangs and selling drugs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was a first trimester limit, then the pro-life movement could change their emphasis toward preventing pregnancy in teens and offering options such as adoption. There will always be some abortions, but changing attitudes among the majority would be great. It might also get guys to take fatherhood more seriously, which would affect joining gangs and selling drugs.</p>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeClerc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Prior to Roe, women were avoiding pregnancy through the use of birth control meds. Why is that not now the rational option ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to Roe, women were avoiding pregnancy through the use of birth control meds. Why is that not now the rational option ?</p>
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