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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Neo &#062; &quot;Making negative generalizations about ethnic groups is Zaphod’s favorite occupation here, and not one that puts him in a good light at all.&quot;

And your chastisement was well done.

One of the best features of &quot;answering bad speech with good speech&quot; is that it encourages responders to marshal their own ideology and arguments to refute the things they disagree with, and that is beneficial to all the readers of the discussion.

It is also why the Cancel Culture Crisis Response Teams have had to enlist so many allies to simply eliminate the answerers instead of debating them, and why they rely on emotional appeals instead of logic and facts. They don&#039;t have, or won&#039;t use, the skills that are developed in writing &quot;persuasive essays,&quot; such as the ones my high school English teacher assigned back in the Old School Days.  

Sadly, with far too many consumers of news and opinion, they appear to have sufficient success with their approach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neo &gt; &#8220;Making negative generalizations about ethnic groups is Zaphod’s favorite occupation here, and not one that puts him in a good light at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>And your chastisement was well done.</p>
<p>One of the best features of &#8220;answering bad speech with good speech&#8221; is that it encourages responders to marshal their own ideology and arguments to refute the things they disagree with, and that is beneficial to all the readers of the discussion.</p>
<p>It is also why the Cancel Culture Crisis Response Teams have had to enlist so many allies to simply eliminate the answerers instead of debating them, and why they rely on emotional appeals instead of logic and facts. They don&#8217;t have, or won&#8217;t use, the skills that are developed in writing &#8220;persuasive essays,&#8221; such as the ones my high school English teacher assigned back in the Old School Days.  </p>
<p>Sadly, with far too many consumers of news and opinion, they appear to have sufficient success with their approach.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 00:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod, 

I&#039;m well aware that &quot;a substantial chunk of South Koreans are constantly agitating for re-unification and Yankee Go Home.&quot; 

Moral cowardice is a common human failing and attempts to appease the crocodile never works out.

I pay far more attention to national and international politics than I do at the local level. I&#039;m a big picture guy, too short an attention span for detail work.

I wish other allied nations well because it&#039;s both the right thing to do and because it is in our self-interest to maintain a coalition of like minded nations. Coalitions rely on trust. When trust collapses, coalitions disintegrate and then, there&#039;s no one to watch your back. 

Ask any combat vet about the necessity for others to watch your six. 

I sympathize with those living under tyranny and favor helping those willing to help themselves. 

In a world filled with dark alleys, no man or nation can long survive when they make of themselves an island.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware that &#8220;a substantial chunk of South Koreans are constantly agitating for re-unification and Yankee Go Home.&#8221; </p>
<p>Moral cowardice is a common human failing and attempts to appease the crocodile never works out.</p>
<p>I pay far more attention to national and international politics than I do at the local level. I&#8217;m a big picture guy, too short an attention span for detail work.</p>
<p>I wish other allied nations well because it&#8217;s both the right thing to do and because it is in our self-interest to maintain a coalition of like minded nations. Coalitions rely on trust. When trust collapses, coalitions disintegrate and then, there&#8217;s no one to watch your back. </p>
<p>Ask any combat vet about the necessity for others to watch your six. </p>
<p>I sympathize with those living under tyranny and favor helping those willing to help themselves. </p>
<p>In a world filled with dark alleys, no man or nation can long survive when they make of themselves an island.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

If you didn&#039;t have strawman arguments you&#039;d be left with almost no arguments at all.

I&#039;m sick of wasting time on strawmen such as &quot;Because Pretending that everyone is a special unique flower and going against all human evolution in ignoring group stereotypes just worked out so well in Afghanistan?&quot;

I don&#039;t pretend any such thing; I&#039;m quite cynical about a lot of people. And although stereotypes are sometimes true they are sometimes false, and more importantly they do not tell you anything about a certain individual.  I happen to think - and have said so before many times - that we should not have tried to nation-build in Afghanistan and that we ignored many things about that country in the process.  But our mission has not included that for many many years.  However, from nearly the beginning (9/11) we were stuck between a rock and a hard place in deciding what to do about Afghanistan as a terrorist haven.

Your simplistic kneejerk racial and ethnic stereotyping as an all-purpose explanation and your ignoring of individual variation, plus your nearly relentless strawman arguments, are not the least bit convincing or impressive, and have become way too time-consuming and annoying.  Quit those two things or you will be banned here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t have strawman arguments you&#8217;d be left with almost no arguments at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick of wasting time on strawmen such as &#8220;Because Pretending that everyone is a special unique flower and going against all human evolution in ignoring group stereotypes just worked out so well in Afghanistan?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t pretend any such thing; I&#8217;m quite cynical about a lot of people. And although stereotypes are sometimes true they are sometimes false, and more importantly they do not tell you anything about a certain individual.  I happen to think &#8211; and have said so before many times &#8211; that we should not have tried to nation-build in Afghanistan and that we ignored many things about that country in the process.  But our mission has not included that for many many years.  However, from nearly the beginning (9/11) we were stuck between a rock and a hard place in deciding what to do about Afghanistan as a terrorist haven.</p>
<p>Your simplistic kneejerk racial and ethnic stereotyping as an all-purpose explanation and your ignoring of individual variation, plus your nearly relentless strawman arguments, are not the least bit convincing or impressive, and have become way too time-consuming and annoying.  Quit those two things or you will be banned here.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 21:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@GB:

No problem with statement that we’re at some tipping points.

Again, why should you care about Korea? This might also be news to you, but a substantial chunk of South Koreans are constantly agitating for re-unification and Yankee Go Home. Give the People What they Want — especially the ungrateful foreign @#$%ers.

@Neo:

Because Pretending that everyone is a special unique flower and going against all human evolution in ignoring group stereotypes just worked out so well in Afghanistan?

Guys like Karzai and Ghani are definite *types*… Only a seriously determined cretin can’t spot them a mile off and make reasonable predictions about their likely behaviour in any and all situations. This goes for most of the other players in that and every other Sandpit. Including the one you inhabit and the one I inhabit.

Some future Robot Historians (Chinese Robots, I suppose) will say the USA/West died of terminal stupidity. Others will claim it died of Willful Niceness. Some Really Bad Kevin McDBot will short circuit its poor fevered positronic brain trying to explain to the others that when Stereotypical People rule, why then obviously stereotyping must be outlawed.

And I got nothing against Kimchi and Samsung.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GB:</p>
<p>No problem with statement that we’re at some tipping points.</p>
<p>Again, why should you care about Korea? This might also be news to you, but a substantial chunk of South Koreans are constantly agitating for re-unification and Yankee Go Home. Give the People What they Want — especially the ungrateful foreign @#$%ers.</p>
<p>@Neo:</p>
<p>Because Pretending that everyone is a special unique flower and going against all human evolution in ignoring group stereotypes just worked out so well in Afghanistan?</p>
<p>Guys like Karzai and Ghani are definite *types*… Only a seriously determined cretin can’t spot them a mile off and make reasonable predictions about their likely behaviour in any and all situations. This goes for most of the other players in that and every other Sandpit. Including the one you inhabit and the one I inhabit.</p>
<p>Some future Robot Historians (Chinese Robots, I suppose) will say the USA/West died of terminal stupidity. Others will claim it died of Willful Niceness. Some Really Bad Kevin McDBot will short circuit its poor fevered positronic brain trying to explain to the others that when Stereotypical People rule, why then obviously stereotyping must be outlawed.</p>
<p>And I got nothing against Kimchi and Samsung.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod, 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;You might be right about some of the above, but what business is it of the United States of America?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

When there&#039;s no sheepdogs, wolves eat the sheep. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Your analysis of Korean situation is outdated and simplistic...&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Thats what Chamberlain said of Churchill&#039;s assessment of the danger that Hitler and the Nazis represented. He was wrong then and events will prove you to be wrong as well. 

Moral discomfort apparently has you imagining that the North Koreans aren&#039;t really serious about &#039;reunification&#039;. Consoling yourself with the delusion that taking them at their word about ideological imperatives is the province of unsophisticates. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; George Orwell 

News flash! The world will not abide. Humanity is very close to another historical tipping point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod, </p>
<p><i>&#8220;You might be right about some of the above, but what business is it of the United States of America?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>When there&#8217;s no sheepdogs, wolves eat the sheep. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Your analysis of Korean situation is outdated and simplistic&#8230;&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Thats what Chamberlain said of Churchill&#8217;s assessment of the danger that Hitler and the Nazis represented. He was wrong then and events will prove you to be wrong as well. </p>
<p>Moral discomfort apparently has you imagining that the North Koreans aren&#8217;t really serious about &#8216;reunification&#8217;. Consoling yourself with the delusion that taking them at their word about ideological imperatives is the province of unsophisticates. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.&#8221;</i> George Orwell </p>
<p>News flash! The world will not abide. Humanity is very close to another historical tipping point.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 20:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

Making negative generalizations about ethnic groups is Zaphod&#039;s favorite occupation here, and not one that puts him in a good light at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Making negative generalizations about ethnic groups is Zaphod&#8217;s favorite occupation here, and not one that puts him in a good light at all.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/30/the-surrender-of-afghanistan-part-i-biden-to-taliban-here-take-kabul-we-dont-need-it-anymore/#comment-2574354</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Zaphod &#062; &quot;but keep one in your house and she’ll ...cut bits off one’s anatomy when asleep, ..&quot;

That could be said about subsets of every nationality, ethnicity, and race.
This story comes to mind. Not that the husband didn&#039;t contribute to the situation, but it fits your specified charge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt

My personal recollection of a friend&#039;s lived experience is that he was deliriously happy with his Korean wife in every way, but especially her home-made Kim Chee.

Some might argue that falls within the purview of your observation, but I do think it&#039;s hyperbolic to generalize to the nth degree about individuals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Zaphod &gt; &#8220;but keep one in your house and she’ll &#8230;cut bits off one’s anatomy when asleep, ..&#8221;</p>
<p>That could be said about subsets of every nationality, ethnicity, and race.<br />
This story comes to mind. Not that the husband didn&#8217;t contribute to the situation, but it fits your specified charge.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt</a></p>
<p>My personal recollection of a friend&#8217;s lived experience is that he was deliriously happy with his Korean wife in every way, but especially her home-made Kim Chee.</p>
<p>Some might argue that falls within the purview of your observation, but I do think it&#8217;s hyperbolic to generalize to the nth degree about individuals.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 20:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Richard Aubrey &#062; &quot;Do you and they have a common definition of “destroy”. I know you would think you do.&quot;

Actually, I don&#039;t think &quot;they&quot; and I have a common definition at all, for Leftist &#038; Democrat values of &quot;they.&quot;  I&#039;m a firm supporter of the Scott Adams Two Movie Screens Paradigm.

However, I DO think &quot;they&quot; (beginning from at least Wilson, as the first modern leftist in office) have destroyed much of the American ideal, law, societal values, institutions, and community cohesion and tolerance. And rewritten history to support their movie scripts.

I used to think it was just accidental by-product of good intentions.
I don&#039;t believe that any more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Richard Aubrey &gt; &#8220;Do you and they have a common definition of “destroy”. I know you would think you do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;they&#8221; and I have a common definition at all, for Leftist &amp; Democrat values of &#8220;they.&#8221;  I&#8217;m a firm supporter of the Scott Adams Two Movie Screens Paradigm.</p>
<p>However, I DO think &#8220;they&#8221; (beginning from at least Wilson, as the first modern leftist in office) have destroyed much of the American ideal, law, societal values, institutions, and community cohesion and tolerance. And rewritten history to support their movie scripts.</p>
<p>I used to think it was just accidental by-product of good intentions.<br />
I don&#8217;t believe that any more.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod on August 30, 2021 at 9:14 pm said:	

&lt;blockquote&gt;@AppleBetty:

They’re good for a fling… No doubt. But keep one in your house and she’ll smash up all the crockery, cut bits off one’s anatomy when asleep, and regularly threaten suicide.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting. Why don&#039;t you repeat those observations in a more culturally and philosophically diagnostic sense.

You can skip any warm body details and go straight to the psycho-social explanations - as you understand them - for the behaviors you characterize.

Looks like you are describing a great deal of psychological instability and a certain attitude of petulant entitlement. Wherefore?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod on August 30, 2021 at 9:14 pm said:	</p>
<blockquote><p>@AppleBetty:</p>
<p>They’re good for a fling… No doubt. But keep one in your house and she’ll smash up all the crockery, cut bits off one’s anatomy when asleep, and regularly threaten suicide.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting. Why don&#8217;t you repeat those observations in a more culturally and philosophically diagnostic sense.</p>
<p>You can skip any warm body details and go straight to the psycho-social explanations &#8211; as you understand them &#8211; for the behaviors you characterize.</p>
<p>Looks like you are describing a great deal of psychological instability and a certain attitude of petulant entitlement. Wherefore?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Delilah:

It&#039;s not at all clear whether he took the money or not.  It&#039;s incredibly hard to know the truth, but at the moment it has the status of a rumor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delilah:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not at all clear whether he took the money or not.  It&#8217;s incredibly hard to know the truth, but at the moment it has the status of a rumor.</p>
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