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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574233</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More on the Bus story in this thread:
https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/the-afghanistan-bugout-the-gop-hawks-called-this-one/#comment-2574040]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the Bus story in this thread:<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/the-afghanistan-bugout-the-gop-hawks-called-this-one/#comment-2574040" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/the-afghanistan-bugout-the-gop-hawks-called-this-one/#comment-2574040</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574232</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[President Trump: 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-DoZjkXIAoD7pm?format=jpg&#038;name=large

#StillMyPresident]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Trump:<br />
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<p>#StillMyPresident</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574229</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the letter with signatures.

How many flag officers does it take to staff an alternate to the Wokerati Force?

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/DOD%20Resignation%20Letter%20083021.pdf?ver=1630334079818]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the letter with signatures.</p>
<p>How many flag officers does it take to staff an alternate to the Wokerati Force?</p>
<p><a href="https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/DOD%20Resignation%20Letter%20083021.pdf?ver=1630334079818" rel="nofollow ugc">https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/DOD%20Resignation%20Letter%20083021.pdf?ver=1630334079818</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm. HTML fail in that last comment.  You can probably figure it out; my interpolations are the stuff that says &quot;Probably .... charges were safe&quot; and the comments beginning &quot;IF any are still alive.&quot; 

WZ posted just a single tweet from Emily Miller yesterday; she had an update today with some good news (for now) (sort of). She mentioned 7 buses in her first Tweet, and only &quot;the&quot; bus today.

https://twitter.com/emilymiller/status/1432179085942345730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Update from special ops leader on just the women on the bus - “I was told they are safe.” He said State Department involved.

Adding this from below her Tweet on my thread:
Jack Posobiec Flag of United States
&quot;We are now able to debunk government lies in realtime.
And this is why they want social media gone.&quot;

He linked this story in another Tweet.
I bet they didn&#039;t get that memo from DOD about not criticizing officers.

https://flagofficers4america.com/media-and-pr
&lt;blockquote&gt;FLAG OFFICERS 4 AMERICA
Retired U.S.Generals and Admirals defending the Constitution

90 retired admirals and generals call for the resignation of Milley &#038; Austin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. HTML fail in that last comment.  You can probably figure it out; my interpolations are the stuff that says &#8220;Probably &#8230;. charges were safe&#8221; and the comments beginning &#8220;IF any are still alive.&#8221; </p>
<p>WZ posted just a single tweet from Emily Miller yesterday; she had an update today with some good news (for now) (sort of). She mentioned 7 buses in her first Tweet, and only &#8220;the&#8221; bus today.</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/emilymiller/status/1432179085942345730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/emilymiller/status/1432179085942345730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw</a><br />
Update from special ops leader on just the women on the bus &#8211; “I was told they are safe.” He said State Department involved.</p>
<p>Adding this from below her Tweet on my thread:<br />
Jack Posobiec Flag of United States<br />
&#8220;We are now able to debunk government lies in realtime.<br />
And this is why they want social media gone.&#8221;</p>
<p>He linked this story in another Tweet.<br />
I bet they didn&#8217;t get that memo from DOD about not criticizing officers.</p>
<p><a href="https://flagofficers4america.com/media-and-pr" rel="nofollow ugc">https://flagofficers4america.com/media-and-pr</a></p>
<blockquote><p>FLAG OFFICERS 4 AMERICA<br />
Retired U.S.Generals and Admirals defending the Constitution</p>
<p>90 retired admirals and generals call for the resignation of Milley &amp; Austin.</p></blockquote>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jack&#039;s story has hit the other media since I checked about an hour ago.
This was the top of my DDG search.
It looks to be based on the NYT story, but also looks totally believable.

https://nextsharknews.com/2021/08/30/american-university-of-kabul-students-trying-to-flee-were-sent-home/
&lt;blockquote&gt;“I regret to inform you that the high command at HKIA in the airport has announced there will be no more rescue flights,” said an email sent to students from the university administration on Sunday afternoon, which was shared with The New York Times.

The email asked the 600 or so students and relatives to return home. The U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan must be completed by a Tuesday deadline, so the U.S. military is turning from evacuating civilians to bringing its own personnel home.

The group was then alarmed after the U.S. military, following protocol, shared a list of names and passport information of hundreds of students and their families with the Taliban guarding the airport checkpoints, the university president said.

“They told us: we have given your names to the Taliban,” said Hosay, a 24-year-old sophomore studying business administration who was on the bus on Sunday. “We are all terrified, there is no evacuation, there is no getting out.”

Hosay earned a scholarship that covered half of her tuition. She wanted to get an M.B.A. and start an all-female engineering firm.

When the Taliban took over Kabul on Aug. 15, one of the first sites the group captured was the sprawling, modern American University campus. Men in traditional Afghan outfits and swinging AK-47 rifles raised the flag of the Taliban and brought down the university flag, according to student and social media photos.

The Taliban posted a picture of themselves on social media standing at the entrance of a university building with an ominous message, saying they were where America trained infidel “wolves” to corrupt the minds of Muslims.

The photograph was widely shared among Afghans and sent students and alumni into hiding. They had reason to be scared. In 2016, the Taliban attacked the campus with explosives and guns in a terrorist assault that lasted 10 hours and killed 15 people, including seven students.


Probably not US citizens, but certainly US &quot;wards&quot; - of an especially vulnerable nature. 

Also note that there is no longer any concept of the Captain going down with the Ship; all the top leadership of the US armed forces, the Afghan government, and this University bailed without ensuring their charges were safe.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The university shut down its campus on Aug. 14 as word reached that the Taliban were on the outskirts of Kabul. The American University president, Ian Bickford, and foreign staff left Kabul for Doha that night.

Mr. Bickford said in an interview last week that he was working with the State Department to evacuate about 1,200 students and alumni. But on Friday after the deadly attack on the airport, Mr. Bickford said that effort had become much more complicated.

Mr. Bickford said the university was committed to ensuring all enrolled students would finish their degrees remotely.


If any are still alive.

We should have been showing more of the old WW2 movies about nuns and others rescuing children in Europe, and in China, despite the risk to themselves.

I&#039;ve included a couple of memes from the commenters at WZ, which pretty much represent the consensus there.
https://i1.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/squad-aoc-omar-100-percent-silence-protecting-women-afghanistan.jpg?w=518&#038;ssl=1

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae8421f689f4670d915143917fd9dba320749626a7c79108bc3d76cfd103f6f0.jpg&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack&#8217;s story has hit the other media since I checked about an hour ago.<br />
This was the top of my DDG search.<br />
It looks to be based on the NYT story, but also looks totally believable.</p>
<p><a href="https://nextsharknews.com/2021/08/30/american-university-of-kabul-students-trying-to-flee-were-sent-home/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nextsharknews.com/2021/08/30/american-university-of-kabul-students-trying-to-flee-were-sent-home/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>“I regret to inform you that the high command at HKIA in the airport has announced there will be no more rescue flights,” said an email sent to students from the university administration on Sunday afternoon, which was shared with The New York Times.</p>
<p>The email asked the 600 or so students and relatives to return home. The U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan must be completed by a Tuesday deadline, so the U.S. military is turning from evacuating civilians to bringing its own personnel home.</p>
<p>The group was then alarmed after the U.S. military, following protocol, shared a list of names and passport information of hundreds of students and their families with the Taliban guarding the airport checkpoints, the university president said.</p>
<p>“They told us: we have given your names to the Taliban,” said Hosay, a 24-year-old sophomore studying business administration who was on the bus on Sunday. “We are all terrified, there is no evacuation, there is no getting out.”</p>
<p>Hosay earned a scholarship that covered half of her tuition. She wanted to get an M.B.A. and start an all-female engineering firm.</p>
<p>When the Taliban took over Kabul on Aug. 15, one of the first sites the group captured was the sprawling, modern American University campus. Men in traditional Afghan outfits and swinging AK-47 rifles raised the flag of the Taliban and brought down the university flag, according to student and social media photos.</p>
<p>The Taliban posted a picture of themselves on social media standing at the entrance of a university building with an ominous message, saying they were where America trained infidel “wolves” to corrupt the minds of Muslims.</p>
<p>The photograph was widely shared among Afghans and sent students and alumni into hiding. They had reason to be scared. In 2016, the Taliban attacked the campus with explosives and guns in a terrorist assault that lasted 10 hours and killed 15 people, including seven students.</p>
<p>Probably not US citizens, but certainly US &#8220;wards&#8221; &#8211; of an especially vulnerable nature. </p>
<p>Also note that there is no longer any concept of the Captain going down with the Ship; all the top leadership of the US armed forces, the Afghan government, and this University bailed without ensuring their charges were safe.</p>
<blockquote><p>The university shut down its campus on Aug. 14 as word reached that the Taliban were on the outskirts of Kabul. The American University president, Ian Bickford, and foreign staff left Kabul for Doha that night.</p>
<p>Mr. Bickford said in an interview last week that he was working with the State Department to evacuate about 1,200 students and alumni. But on Friday after the deadly attack on the airport, Mr. Bickford said that effort had become much more complicated.</p>
<p>Mr. Bickford said the university was committed to ensuring all enrolled students would finish their degrees remotely.</p>
<p>If any are still alive.</p>
<p>We should have been showing more of the old WW2 movies about nuns and others rescuing children in Europe, and in China, despite the risk to themselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve included a couple of memes from the commenters at WZ, which pretty much represent the consensus there.<br />
<a href="https://i1.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/squad-aoc-omar-100-percent-silence-protecting-women-afghanistan.jpg?w=518&#038;ssl=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://i1.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/squad-aoc-omar-100-percent-silence-protecting-women-afghanistan.jpg?w=518&#038;ssl=1</a></p>
<p><a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae8421f689f4670d915143917fd9dba320749626a7c79108bc3d76cfd103f6f0.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae8421f689f4670d915143917fd9dba320749626a7c79108bc3d76cfd103f6f0.jpg</a></p></blockquote>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574180</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 00:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ jack and all -- at this point I think we need to invoke the &quot;48 hour rule&quot; on all atrocity stories from Afghanistan.

Some will be &quot;too good to check&quot; or in the current context, &quot;too awful to check&quot; -- but checking nonetheless must occur.
Same thing with the NTB story I linked above; still waiting to see what can be confirmed.

Sadly, some of them will be true or almost so.
But, even the stuff we know has happened is bad enough without piling on fake news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ jack and all &#8212; at this point I think we need to invoke the &#8220;48 hour rule&#8221; on all atrocity stories from Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Some will be &#8220;too good to check&#8221; or in the current context, &#8220;too awful to check&#8221; &#8212; but checking nonetheless must occur.<br />
Same thing with the NTB story I linked above; still waiting to see what can be confirmed.</p>
<p>Sadly, some of them will be true or almost so.<br />
But, even the stuff we know has happened is bad enough without piling on fake news.</p>
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		By: jack		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574054</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo or anybody ... have you seen this? In the comments it also says NYT confirms but it&#039;s behind pay wall so i couldn&#039;t confirm for myself.
                                                                                                          https://www.weaselzippers.us/473716-abc-correspondent-bus-loads-of-american-women-turned-away-at-hkia-gate-turned-over-to-taliban-likely-dead/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo or anybody &#8230; have you seen this? In the comments it also says NYT confirms but it&#8217;s behind pay wall so i couldn&#8217;t confirm for myself.<br />
                                                                                                          <a href="https://www.weaselzippers.us/473716-abc-correspondent-bus-loads-of-american-women-turned-away-at-hkia-gate-turned-over-to-taliban-likely-dead/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.weaselzippers.us/473716-abc-correspondent-bus-loads-of-american-women-turned-away-at-hkia-gate-turned-over-to-taliban-likely-dead/</a></p>
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		By: Ray SoCa		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574034</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bryan Lovely, you are right on the ethnic make up. 

Tribalism drives the corruption that has Afghanistan rank 177 out of 180 nations on corruption
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Afghanistan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan Lovely, you are right on the ethnic make up. </p>
<p>Tribalism drives the corruption that has Afghanistan rank 177 out of 180 nations on corruption<br />
<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Afghanistan" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Afghanistan</a></p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NTB cites two WaPo stories in support of some rather troubling assertions about what went on behind the scenes that we all saw. 

https://notthebee.com/article/the-taliban-did-not-take-over-kabul-on-august-15-we-gave-it-to-them-and-i-really-wish-i-was-exaggerating]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NTB cites two WaPo stories in support of some rather troubling assertions about what went on behind the scenes that we all saw. </p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/the-taliban-did-not-take-over-kabul-on-august-15-we-gave-it-to-them-and-i-really-wish-i-was-exaggerating" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/the-taliban-did-not-take-over-kabul-on-august-15-we-gave-it-to-them-and-i-really-wish-i-was-exaggerating</a></p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/28/on-leaving-bagram-on-leaving-afghanistan/#comment-2574008</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Bryan &quot;I suspect you’re referring to this article, Why Arabs Lose Wars originally from 1999.&quot;

The impression I got from that article (which is very thorough and informative) is that the US Military, under the Democrats&#039; leadership, is devolving into a close analogue of the Arabs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bryan &#8220;I suspect you’re referring to this article, Why Arabs Lose Wars originally from 1999.&#8221;</p>
<p>The impression I got from that article (which is very thorough and informative) is that the US Military, under the Democrats&#8217; leadership, is devolving into a close analogue of the Arabs.</p>
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