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		By: Skippo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569422</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[I think it was Edward Albert who told the story of seeing a guy in the distance kicking the tires of a car and realized, just based on the gracefulness, that it was Fred Astaire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Edward Albert who told the story of seeing a guy in the distance kicking the tires of a car and realized, just based on the gracefulness, that it was Fred Astaire.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569407</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ OBH  - &quot;Here’s some more commentary on the FA-RW scene:&quot; 
Thank you so much for looking that up!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ OBH  &#8211; &#8220;Here’s some more commentary on the FA-RW scene:&#8221;<br />
Thank you so much for looking that up!</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569209</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 14:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No matter how graceful a ballerina is, and how lightly she leaps, she always comes back down.  Thus, implicitly, she has weight.
Astaire, by contrast, seems not to weigh anything.  I don&#039;t mean he weighs little.  It&#039;s that his moves imply that he does not have mass accessible by gravity.  Not that he&#039;s going to, uncontrollably, float up to the ceiling while trying to reach his coffee cup.
Weight, mass, gravity simply do not exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how graceful a ballerina is, and how lightly she leaps, she always comes back down.  Thus, implicitly, she has weight.<br />
Astaire, by contrast, seems not to weigh anything.  I don&#8217;t mean he weighs little.  It&#8217;s that his moves imply that he does not have mass accessible by gravity.  Not that he&#8217;s going to, uncontrollably, float up to the ceiling while trying to reach his coffee cup.<br />
Weight, mass, gravity simply do not exist.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 04:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@LeClerc:

Wouldn’t say no to a Knish! By preference with a bottle of Indian Kingfisher Beer since it’s pretty much an Ashkenazi Samosa to my way of thinking.

Not sure I could ever live it down down at my Lebensborn Reunions if I got caught drinking Dr Brown’s Anything… Just wouldn’t be kosher.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeClerc:</p>
<p>Wouldn’t say no to a Knish! By preference with a bottle of Indian Kingfisher Beer since it’s pretty much an Ashkenazi Samosa to my way of thinking.</p>
<p>Not sure I could ever live it down down at my Lebensborn Reunions if I got caught drinking Dr Brown’s Anything… Just wouldn’t be kosher.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569141</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 04:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The rotating trick was also used by Kubrick in 2001, in the centrifuge scene where Kier Dullea is running along the circle...

It&#039;s also used in a video by Blancmange called &quot;Love That It Is&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rotating trick was also used by Kubrick in 2001, in the centrifuge scene where Kier Dullea is running along the circle&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also used in a video by Blancmange called &#8220;Love That It Is&#8221;.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569140</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 04:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s some more commentary on the FA-RW scene:
https://www.bigfott.com/astaire-unwound

P.S., apparently the reason the video no longer works is because Adobe are world-class dickheads. Not content with no longer supporting Flash, they&#039;ve made it stop working across the board, which renders a wide array of older websites unavailable any more, as they were dependent on it. &#062;:-/

I used The Wayback Machine to access a site that appeared to have that old video, and the &quot;flash player is no longer supported&quot; message  came up. :-/
$T!#$^#!^ Adobe dickheads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some more commentary on the FA-RW scene:<br />
<a href="https://www.bigfott.com/astaire-unwound" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bigfott.com/astaire-unwound</a></p>
<p>P.S., apparently the reason the video no longer works is because Adobe are world-class dickheads. Not content with no longer supporting Flash, they&#8217;ve made it stop working across the board, which renders a wide array of older websites unavailable any more, as they were dependent on it. &gt;:-/</p>
<p>I used The Wayback Machine to access a site that appeared to have that old video, and the &#8220;flash player is no longer supported&#8221; message  came up. :-/<br />
$T!#$^#!^ Adobe dickheads.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569137</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 04:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;I like Astaire and Kelly both. I’m not sure I understand the analogy. When I see Kelly do stuff like this I know I cannot do it:&lt;/i&gt;

I dunno. I&#039;m very impressed, it does require considerable skill to tap dance on roller skates, but... it&#039;s not that much more amazing than many ice skating demonstrations I&#039;ve seen... and any world-class dancer as Kelly was has to have a pretty good sense of balance to make the tap-dancing-on-skates easier than one might think it is.

I&#039;ve never been interested in learning to skate that much, and I&#039;m much too old to risk the broken bones -- but in my younger days, yeah, if I&#039;d been determined to really become GOOD at skating, I believe I could&#039;ve developed the skill.

Another impressive thing to note, that&#039;s with the older &quot;hard sandy&quot; type of skates, not ones with modern polyurethane wheels, much less in-line skates. That makes what he did even more noteworthy, either way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>I like Astaire and Kelly both. I’m not sure I understand the analogy. When I see Kelly do stuff like this I know I cannot do it:</i></p>
<p>I dunno. I&#8217;m very impressed, it does require considerable skill to tap dance on roller skates, but&#8230; it&#8217;s not that much more amazing than many ice skating demonstrations I&#8217;ve seen&#8230; and any world-class dancer as Kelly was has to have a pretty good sense of balance to make the tap-dancing-on-skates easier than one might think it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been interested in learning to skate that much, and I&#8217;m much too old to risk the broken bones &#8212; but in my younger days, yeah, if I&#8217;d been determined to really become GOOD at skating, I believe I could&#8217;ve developed the skill.</p>
<p>Another impressive thing to note, that&#8217;s with the older &#8220;hard sandy&#8221; type of skates, not ones with modern polyurethane wheels, much less in-line skates. That makes what he did even more noteworthy, either way.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 04:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting. The chair is mobile early on, he&#039;s dancing around with it... then there&#039;s a cut, and the rest of the &quot;mobile room&quot; stuff occurs... it was secured to the floor between the scene cut, as he&#039;s hanging from it later on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. The chair is mobile early on, he&#8217;s dancing around with it&#8230; then there&#8217;s a cut, and the rest of the &#8220;mobile room&#8221; stuff occurs&#8230; it was secured to the floor between the scene cut, as he&#8217;s hanging from it later on&#8230;</p>
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		By: Baceseras		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569077</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2021 22:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exhibit A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbb4kEk3NbQ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exhibit A: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbb4kEk3NbQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbb4kEk3NbQ</a></p>
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		By: Baceseras		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/fred-astaires-modesty/#comment-2569075</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2021 22:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember hearing a different version of the comparison between Astaire and Kelly, something like: &quot;When you watch Astaire dancing, you want to dress up and go out on the town. When you watch Kelly dancing, you want to get in shape.&quot; Highlighting the athleticism of Kelly&#039;s style, and rightly I think.

I agree with Neo that Fred and Ginger together make something much, much more than the sum of their parts. How they did that, you can describe and explain forever without coming to the end of it. The great mystery. We&#039;re just lucky all traces of their art didn&#039;t evaporate the moment they happened. I first saw their films some thirty years after they made them, and have seen them again often since.

I like Astaire&#039;s solo dances too. They usually begin with an introspective mood that he then elaborates in the most good-humored way imaginable. An Astaire solo is a great chaser-away of the blues. The one at the beginning of The Band Wagon, set mostly in a penny arcade, would be my Exhibit A. The set and props and passers-by become his &quot;partner.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember hearing a different version of the comparison between Astaire and Kelly, something like: &#8220;When you watch Astaire dancing, you want to dress up and go out on the town. When you watch Kelly dancing, you want to get in shape.&#8221; Highlighting the athleticism of Kelly&#8217;s style, and rightly I think.</p>
<p>I agree with Neo that Fred and Ginger together make something much, much more than the sum of their parts. How they did that, you can describe and explain forever without coming to the end of it. The great mystery. We&#8217;re just lucky all traces of their art didn&#8217;t evaporate the moment they happened. I first saw their films some thirty years after they made them, and have seen them again often since.</p>
<p>I like Astaire&#8217;s solo dances too. They usually begin with an introspective mood that he then elaborates in the most good-humored way imaginable. An Astaire solo is a great chaser-away of the blues. The one at the beginning of The Band Wagon, set mostly in a penny arcade, would be my Exhibit A. The set and props and passers-by become his &#8220;partner.&#8221;</p>
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