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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/03/the-harm-done-to-children-by-the-school-lockdown/#comment-2568637</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2021 18:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[None of you survived as children. The trauma is deep. Gb is saying what i want to say which is good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of you survived as children. The trauma is deep. Gb is saying what i want to say which is good.</p>
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		By: CaptDMO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2021 10:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How did &quot;children &quot; even survive before mandatory &quot;free&quot; (K)El-Hi?
On paved carriage streets OR dirt wagon roads?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did &#8220;children &#8221; even survive before mandatory &#8220;free&#8221; (K)El-Hi?<br />
On paved carriage streets OR dirt wagon roads?</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2021 01:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recollect seeing a film clip of that teacher&#039;s union quote.  Though possibly the quote was &quot;represent children&quot; rather than &quot;care about children.&quot;  I saw it a long time ago, and the event date was much older than that.  My recollection was that it was a man at a podium in front of a large union convention or gathering.  And I think the speaker was the union&#039;s &lt;b&gt;treasurer.&lt;/b&gt;  That is, the money man was speaking about money, which only slightly tempers it&#039;s meaning.

I tried to find a quote from Gov. Jerry Brown when he was caught on a hot mic in a telephone conference call, during his governorship reboot. (He said something about the teacher&#039;s unions controlling gov. policy in some fashion.)  Sorry, this event has been scrubbed from the Bingiverse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recollect seeing a film clip of that teacher&#8217;s union quote.  Though possibly the quote was &#8220;represent children&#8221; rather than &#8220;care about children.&#8221;  I saw it a long time ago, and the event date was much older than that.  My recollection was that it was a man at a podium in front of a large union convention or gathering.  And I think the speaker was the union&#8217;s <b>treasurer.</b>  That is, the money man was speaking about money, which only slightly tempers it&#8217;s meaning.</p>
<p>I tried to find a quote from Gov. Jerry Brown when he was caught on a hot mic in a telephone conference call, during his governorship reboot. (He said something about the teacher&#8217;s unions controlling gov. policy in some fashion.)  Sorry, this event has been scrubbed from the Bingiverse.</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MBunge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2021 18:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boatbuilder is correct that human beings are remarkably resilient.  But I&#039;ll bet whatever the normal level of mental illness and neurosis is in a society, that level is going to rise substantially as this pandemic generation grows up.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boatbuilder is correct that human beings are remarkably resilient.  But I&#8217;ll bet whatever the normal level of mental illness and neurosis is in a society, that level is going to rise substantially as this pandemic generation grows up.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2021 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the same people are guilty of behavior that is evil often enough and long enough and consistently enough, can we draw conclusions about the moral makeup of those people?  What about those who knowingly and enthusiastically support them?

In this case we&#039;re discussing teachers (or rather their extremely political and partisan union leaders). We could as easily look at Cuomo and liberals&#039; love affair for him precisely while and after he was killing thousands of seniors. People embracing and celebrating evil actions.

Obviously tribalism explains some of it. Can we dismiss such a massive embrace of evil behavior simply as a product of tribalism? It&#039;s okay to loot and burn and viciously slander innocent people because it is our side doing it? It&#039;s okay to repeatedly subvert the constitution and the rule of law because it&#039;s our side? It&#039;s okay to steal elections as long as we do it? Biden can violate the constitution with the eviction moratorium because he&#039;s our guy. Biden can be corrupt and a criminal because he&#039;s ours? Same for Obama and the Clintons and Cuomos and all the rest of the corrupt and crooked Ds? The FBI, CIA, DOJ and NSA can violate everything our nation stands for as long as they are our guys? The news media can lie relentlessly because they&#039;re ours? We don&#039;t mind crushing small business because they don&#039;t tend to vote for our side?

I understand people are uncomfortable with the word &quot;evil&quot;. I was, too. But &quot;morally immature&quot; doesn&#039;t adequately describe all this. I don&#039;t think &quot;morally deficient&quot; fits, either. These people are nasty, vile and vicious. They are utterly unconcerned about the death and destruction they wreak or they support. If you don&#039;t use &#039;evil&#039;, what description is adequate?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the same people are guilty of behavior that is evil often enough and long enough and consistently enough, can we draw conclusions about the moral makeup of those people?  What about those who knowingly and enthusiastically support them?</p>
<p>In this case we&#8217;re discussing teachers (or rather their extremely political and partisan union leaders). We could as easily look at Cuomo and liberals&#8217; love affair for him precisely while and after he was killing thousands of seniors. People embracing and celebrating evil actions.</p>
<p>Obviously tribalism explains some of it. Can we dismiss such a massive embrace of evil behavior simply as a product of tribalism? It&#8217;s okay to loot and burn and viciously slander innocent people because it is our side doing it? It&#8217;s okay to repeatedly subvert the constitution and the rule of law because it&#8217;s our side? It&#8217;s okay to steal elections as long as we do it? Biden can violate the constitution with the eviction moratorium because he&#8217;s our guy. Biden can be corrupt and a criminal because he&#8217;s ours? Same for Obama and the Clintons and Cuomos and all the rest of the corrupt and crooked Ds? The FBI, CIA, DOJ and NSA can violate everything our nation stands for as long as they are our guys? The news media can lie relentlessly because they&#8217;re ours? We don&#8217;t mind crushing small business because they don&#8217;t tend to vote for our side?</p>
<p>I understand people are uncomfortable with the word &#8220;evil&#8221;. I was, too. But &#8220;morally immature&#8221; doesn&#8217;t adequately describe all this. I don&#8217;t think &#8220;morally deficient&#8221; fits, either. These people are nasty, vile and vicious. They are utterly unconcerned about the death and destruction they wreak or they support. If you don&#8217;t use &#8216;evil&#8217;, what description is adequate?</p>
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		By: Boatbuilder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2021 12:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My son in NYC came and visited with several friends last weekend. One of his friends just got a job with a company which (if I understand correctly) contracts with charter schools to provide instructors in various subjects. She will be teaching art remotely to K through 2d graders, most of whom have never attended school in person. 
That is profoundly disturbing to me. I know that kids are not as fragile as we make them out to be (think of what 4-7 year olds have come through throughout wars and plagues, etc. historically), but the idea that adults who profess to care greatly about the welfare of children would not merely permit but mandate such a situation is sad and troubling.
I asked her: “What do you do when Little Billy starts eating the crayons?” She laughed, but agreed that she has no idea. She is an intelligent and capable person, and will probably be an excellent art teacher, but the situation is absurd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son in NYC came and visited with several friends last weekend. One of his friends just got a job with a company which (if I understand correctly) contracts with charter schools to provide instructors in various subjects. She will be teaching art remotely to K through 2d graders, most of whom have never attended school in person.<br />
That is profoundly disturbing to me. I know that kids are not as fragile as we make them out to be (think of what 4-7 year olds have come through throughout wars and plagues, etc. historically), but the idea that adults who profess to care greatly about the welfare of children would not merely permit but mandate such a situation is sad and troubling.<br />
I asked her: “What do you do when Little Billy starts eating the crayons?” She laughed, but agreed that she has no idea. She is an intelligent and capable person, and will probably be an excellent art teacher, but the situation is absurd.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2021 12:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo, 

I don&#039;t have to know the exact extent of a forest fire to know that a firestorm is upon us. Though we do have a pretty good idea of how many teachers have &lt;i&gt;publicly&lt;/i&gt; spoken out against the lockdowns because the left immediately cancels them, which results in an outcry of protest on the right. 

Yes, no doubt a number of teachers are afraid to speak out. Revisit my comment about bravery. What degree of character and allegiance to principle, much less concern for their students can a teacher actually have, when they remain silent as they stand witness to the degree of harm being done to innocents entrusted to their care?  

Take off your lawyer hat. We don&#039;t need to know &quot;the exact proportions&quot; of how many teachers oppose the lockdowns. All we need to know is that the left is in charge of the institution and that the great majority of however many who are opposed... are silent. That silence renders them morally culpable in the abuse. Given that we&#039;re talking about children, moral culpability cannot be overestimated. 

They&#039;re part and parcel of a system that is teaching &lt;i&gt; young, impressionable children&lt;/i&gt; that evil is good and good, evil. 

It doesn&#039;t matter whether they personally believe that, what matters is that when they teach the authorized curriculum, they&#039;re advocating it. And you can bet that every teacher silently opposed is being forced to comply. 

Of course 4 out of 5 would go back if required to do so. They&#039;re jobs i.e. income depend upon it. To quote AesopFan&#039;s quote; &lt;b&gt;&quot;You cannot make a man see something when his income depends on his not seeing it.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Of course we&#039;re talking about those who do see it but are silent, which puts the lie to protestations of truly caring about the children they &#039;teach&#039;. 

Again, when we are required by circumstance to do the right thing and we choose not to do it, we have chosen to do the wrong thing. 

Is that harsh? No, it&#039;s reality and consequence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to know the exact extent of a forest fire to know that a firestorm is upon us. Though we do have a pretty good idea of how many teachers have <i>publicly</i> spoken out against the lockdowns because the left immediately cancels them, which results in an outcry of protest on the right. </p>
<p>Yes, no doubt a number of teachers are afraid to speak out. Revisit my comment about bravery. What degree of character and allegiance to principle, much less concern for their students can a teacher actually have, when they remain silent as they stand witness to the degree of harm being done to innocents entrusted to their care?  </p>
<p>Take off your lawyer hat. We don&#8217;t need to know &#8220;the exact proportions&#8221; of how many teachers oppose the lockdowns. All we need to know is that the left is in charge of the institution and that the great majority of however many who are opposed&#8230; are silent. That silence renders them morally culpable in the abuse. Given that we&#8217;re talking about children, moral culpability cannot be overestimated. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re part and parcel of a system that is teaching <i> young, impressionable children</i> that evil is good and good, evil. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether they personally believe that, what matters is that when they teach the authorized curriculum, they&#8217;re advocating it. And you can bet that every teacher silently opposed is being forced to comply. </p>
<p>Of course 4 out of 5 would go back if required to do so. They&#8217;re jobs i.e. income depend upon it. To quote AesopFan&#8217;s quote; <b>&#8220;You cannot make a man see something when his income depends on his not seeing it.&#8221;</b> Of course we&#8217;re talking about those who do see it but are silent, which puts the lie to protestations of truly caring about the children they &#8216;teach&#8217;. </p>
<p>Again, when we are required by circumstance to do the right thing and we choose not to do it, we have chosen to do the wrong thing. </p>
<p>Is that harsh? No, it&#8217;s reality and consequence.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2021 05:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skimmed a few more of Porretto&#039;s posts, and found this gem:
&quot;Leftists are the Dorian Greys of our time. What they see in the mirror when they are alone is what they cannot permit us to see under any circumstances.&quot;

https://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2015/08/leftist-lies-fascism.html

Those were all archived posts; the new home of his website is here:
http://www.libertystorch.info/

This is tangentially a Covid thread, so here is a current post on the subject by one of the contributors, Nitzakhon. The emotional reaction seems a bit extreme to me, but it&#039;s well within in the zeitgeist of the day.

http://www.libertystorch.info/2021/08/02/an-observation-or-two-on-jab-mandates/
&lt;blockquote&gt;This weekend we went on a hike with the wife’s BFF and fam.  The hubby, with an air of devotion to the Covidian Cult, again wore his “Science will win” shirt (above the pharma company logo), which was the subject of discussion by he, his wife, and my wife at lunch.  I kept my mouth shut.  Not that I agreed with a word of the discussion, of course.  Why silent?  I had recently been reminded of an expression that I thought had tremendous import:

&lt;b&gt;You cannot make a man see something when his income depends on his not seeing it.&lt;/b&gt;

And this guy’s income (not to mention profit-sharing, which I will guess will be monstrous-big), absolutely depends on his not seeing any risk at all with The Jab.  ...

Circling back to Rule 3 (“circling back” – you see what I did there?) there [is] a modification that comes to mind on the above quote:

&lt;b&gt;You cannot make a man see something when his sense of himself as a good / intelligent / educated / caring person depends on his not seeing it.&lt;/b&gt;

And this is the problem we face.  We are told to believe the experts/science, and most – not understanding the issues or actual data – eat it up.  We are captive to dread, the fear porn that’s been pumped into us non-stop by the enemedia.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And some observations about mandate protests in other countries, and &lt;em&gt;extreme &lt;/em&gt;anti-vax sentiments.

The link underneath &quot;Rule 3&quot; goes here. 
https://www.libertystorch.info/2021/07/16/collection-of-covid-info/
&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a new feature permitted by our host.  Let’s see how it goes.  Doing my best to spread “misinformation”.

All links are presented “as is” and I make no guarantee for the accuracy / truthfulness of any. However, as a pattern of what I’ve been observing, all the links presented here – and yes, I leave many I read out – seem to me to fit into a unified and consistent skein on this subject.

Note: LOTS of info.  I don’t expect every link to be clicked on, but rather am presenting a buffet for you to select as you will. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skimmed a few more of Porretto&#8217;s posts, and found this gem:<br />
&#8220;Leftists are the Dorian Greys of our time. What they see in the mirror when they are alone is what they cannot permit us to see under any circumstances.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2015/08/leftist-lies-fascism.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2015/08/leftist-lies-fascism.html</a></p>
<p>Those were all archived posts; the new home of his website is here:<br />
<a href="http://www.libertystorch.info/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.libertystorch.info/</a></p>
<p>This is tangentially a Covid thread, so here is a current post on the subject by one of the contributors, Nitzakhon. The emotional reaction seems a bit extreme to me, but it&#8217;s well within in the zeitgeist of the day.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.libertystorch.info/2021/08/02/an-observation-or-two-on-jab-mandates/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.libertystorch.info/2021/08/02/an-observation-or-two-on-jab-mandates/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>This weekend we went on a hike with the wife’s BFF and fam.  The hubby, with an air of devotion to the Covidian Cult, again wore his “Science will win” shirt (above the pharma company logo), which was the subject of discussion by he, his wife, and my wife at lunch.  I kept my mouth shut.  Not that I agreed with a word of the discussion, of course.  Why silent?  I had recently been reminded of an expression that I thought had tremendous import:</p>
<p><b>You cannot make a man see something when his income depends on his not seeing it.</b></p>
<p>And this guy’s income (not to mention profit-sharing, which I will guess will be monstrous-big), absolutely depends on his not seeing any risk at all with The Jab.  &#8230;</p>
<p>Circling back to Rule 3 (“circling back” – you see what I did there?) there [is] a modification that comes to mind on the above quote:</p>
<p><b>You cannot make a man see something when his sense of himself as a good / intelligent / educated / caring person depends on his not seeing it.</b></p>
<p>And this is the problem we face.  We are told to believe the experts/science, and most – not understanding the issues or actual data – eat it up.  We are captive to dread, the fear porn that’s been pumped into us non-stop by the enemedia.
</p></blockquote>
<p>And some observations about mandate protests in other countries, and <em>extreme </em>anti-vax sentiments.</p>
<p>The link underneath &#8220;Rule 3&#8221; goes here.<br />
<a href="https://www.libertystorch.info/2021/07/16/collection-of-covid-info/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.libertystorch.info/2021/07/16/collection-of-covid-info/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>This is a new feature permitted by our host.  Let’s see how it goes.  Doing my best to spread “misinformation”.</p>
<p>All links are presented “as is” and I make no guarantee for the accuracy / truthfulness of any. However, as a pattern of what I’ve been observing, all the links presented here – and yes, I leave many I read out – seem to me to fit into a unified and consistent skein on this subject.</p>
<p>Note: LOTS of info.  I don’t expect every link to be clicked on, but rather am presenting a buffet for you to select as you will.
</p></blockquote>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2021 04:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, Porretto&#039;s website leads with this poem fragment, which has a certain amount of resonance these days.

&quot;Keep clear of the dupes that talk democracy,
And the dogs that bark revolution.
Drunk with talk, liars and believers.
I believe in my tusks.
Long live freedom and damn the ideologies!&quot;
(Robinson Jeffers)

Goodreads adds the line &quot;said the gamey black-maned wild boar tusking the turf on Mal Paso Mountain.”

More about Jeffers and his poetry here; the excerpt cited, from “The Stars Go Over the Lonely Ocean” (1941) is pretty far down. 

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/08/12/envying-the-cruel-falcon-the-anti-liberal-poetry-of-robinson-jeffers-part-two-of-two/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Porretto&#8217;s website leads with this poem fragment, which has a certain amount of resonance these days.</p>
<p>&#8220;Keep clear of the dupes that talk democracy,<br />
And the dogs that bark revolution.<br />
Drunk with talk, liars and believers.<br />
I believe in my tusks.<br />
Long live freedom and damn the ideologies!&#8221;<br />
(Robinson Jeffers)</p>
<p>Goodreads adds the line &#8220;said the gamey black-maned wild boar tusking the turf on Mal Paso Mountain.”</p>
<p>More about Jeffers and his poetry here; the excerpt cited, from “The Stars Go Over the Lonely Ocean” (1941) is pretty far down. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/08/12/envying-the-cruel-falcon-the-anti-liberal-poetry-of-robinson-jeffers-part-two-of-two/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/08/12/envying-the-cruel-falcon-the-anti-liberal-poetry-of-robinson-jeffers-part-two-of-two/</a></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2021 04:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan:

What you describe cannot be reversed by a reactionary march back through the institutions. The Left knows when it&#039;s being attacked and fights back with everything. Only &#039;Conservatives&#039; are weak and permit this kind of thing to be done to them.

Two approaches I can think of:

(1) Seize Power by any means and burn it all down and rebuild. Bit drastic IMHO. I like electric light and air conditioning.
(2) Seize Power by any means and clean them up == Gleichschaltung.

And anyone who gets the Heebie-jeebies (so to speak) about (2) needs to have a good long think about whether or not they have been hypnotised into letting the Left always win. History doesn&#039;t have to repeat itself in every aspect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan:</p>
<p>What you describe cannot be reversed by a reactionary march back through the institutions. The Left knows when it&#8217;s being attacked and fights back with everything. Only &#8216;Conservatives&#8217; are weak and permit this kind of thing to be done to them.</p>
<p>Two approaches I can think of:</p>
<p>(1) Seize Power by any means and burn it all down and rebuild. Bit drastic IMHO. I like electric light and air conditioning.<br />
(2) Seize Power by any means and clean them up == Gleichschaltung.</p>
<p>And anyone who gets the Heebie-jeebies (so to speak) about (2) needs to have a good long think about whether or not they have been hypnotised into letting the Left always win. History doesn&#8217;t have to repeat itself in every aspect.</p>
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