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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/02/update-on-the-haitian-presidents-assassination/#comment-2568304</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2021 04:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

You really really don&#039;t get it.   I have met very few people except those on the far far left, or those fully buying into CRT (a minority of people I know even among Democrats), who would say that there are no differences between the races on IQ, criminality, and a host of other things. So it&#039;s a strawman argument that you are setting up.  

The real questions are what causes the differences (how much of the variance can be explained by different factors), whether some of them can be changed by culture, and whether the differences that might remain are large enough to matter and in what way they matter.

I have read a great deal of the literature on this subject on both sides of the nature/nurture question, for decades and decades.  I am not a statistician but I have taken graduate courses in statistics and have a fairly good understanding of the basics, so I&#039;m equipped to look at a lot of the research as well.  I have not seen anything that convinces me that culture is not by far the biggest determinant of the differences that matter (I&#039;m not talking about basketball or sprinting here).  Geography also plays a huge role (there was a discussion of that recently regarding Africa in another threat).

The most impressive thinker on the subject that I&#039;ve found is Thomas Sowell, who&#039;s written several books, many articles, and given many talks on the subject.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>You really really don&#8217;t get it.   I have met very few people except those on the far far left, or those fully buying into CRT (a minority of people I know even among Democrats), who would say that there are no differences between the races on IQ, criminality, and a host of other things. So it&#8217;s a strawman argument that you are setting up.  </p>
<p>The real questions are what causes the differences (how much of the variance can be explained by different factors), whether some of them can be changed by culture, and whether the differences that might remain are large enough to matter and in what way they matter.</p>
<p>I have read a great deal of the literature on this subject on both sides of the nature/nurture question, for decades and decades.  I am not a statistician but I have taken graduate courses in statistics and have a fairly good understanding of the basics, so I&#8217;m equipped to look at a lot of the research as well.  I have not seen anything that convinces me that culture is not by far the biggest determinant of the differences that matter (I&#8217;m not talking about basketball or sprinting here).  Geography also plays a huge role (there was a discussion of that recently regarding Africa in another threat).</p>
<p>The most impressive thinker on the subject that I&#8217;ve found is Thomas Sowell, who&#8217;s written several books, many articles, and given many talks on the subject.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2021 03:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Race:

https://vdare.com/articles/we-are-building-society-on-a-delusion-a-race-realism-primer

The lengths people will go to to convince themselves that racial IQ, criminality, and other personality dimension differences don&#039;t exist never ceases to amaze me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Race:</p>
<p><a href="https://vdare.com/articles/we-are-building-society-on-a-delusion-a-race-realism-primer" rel="nofollow ugc">https://vdare.com/articles/we-are-building-society-on-a-delusion-a-race-realism-primer</a></p>
<p>The lengths people will go to to convince themselves that racial IQ, criminality, and other personality dimension differences don&#8217;t exist never ceases to amaze me.</p>
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		By: Mike-SMO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2021 03:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t confuse race with the genetics of the &quot;founder&quot; population. 

I read that the majority of people transferred into the Atlantic Slave Trade were &quot;non-productive&quot;  discards. Those may have exibited some combination of hostility, uncooperativeness, and an inability to sustain effort on a project/job.  There seemed to be a smaller number of &quot;normies&quot; who were &quot;kidnapped&quot; and then sold as slaves.  I don&#039;t think that &quot;intelligence&quot; mattered all that much.  Most jobs don&#039;t require all that much &quot;intelligence&quot;. Recent African immigrants seem to do &quot;OK&quot; in education and employment.  In our metro, there are several &quot;African American&quot; communities/municipalities with a variety of intelligence/professional levels (as judged by car[s], home value, etc) with minimal levels of crime that have a sense of &quot;community&quot; that seems to be absent &quot;downtown&quot;. 

I have to wonder if those are descendants of the &quot;normies&quot;, or if some of those discarded have managed to escape a genetic burden.  Similarly, I would want to know the condition of the founder population in Haiti and the Barbados.  In a number of locations, &quot;Maroons&quot; were able to escape slavery and establish long-lasting, functional communities.  Some are different.  It isn&#039;t just &quot;race&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t confuse race with the genetics of the &#8220;founder&#8221; population. </p>
<p>I read that the majority of people transferred into the Atlantic Slave Trade were &#8220;non-productive&#8221;  discards. Those may have exibited some combination of hostility, uncooperativeness, and an inability to sustain effort on a project/job.  There seemed to be a smaller number of &#8220;normies&#8221; who were &#8220;kidnapped&#8221; and then sold as slaves.  I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;intelligence&#8221; mattered all that much.  Most jobs don&#8217;t require all that much &#8220;intelligence&#8221;. Recent African immigrants seem to do &#8220;OK&#8221; in education and employment.  In our metro, there are several &#8220;African American&#8221; communities/municipalities with a variety of intelligence/professional levels (as judged by car[s], home value, etc) with minimal levels of crime that have a sense of &#8220;community&#8221; that seems to be absent &#8220;downtown&#8221;. </p>
<p>I have to wonder if those are descendants of the &#8220;normies&#8221;, or if some of those discarded have managed to escape a genetic burden.  Similarly, I would want to know the condition of the founder population in Haiti and the Barbados.  In a number of locations, &#8220;Maroons&#8221; were able to escape slavery and establish long-lasting, functional communities.  Some are different.  It isn&#8217;t just &#8220;race&#8221;.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2021 20:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cicero:

The &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Haiti&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;demographics of Haiti&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;According to population DNA tests, approximately 95% of the population of Haiti is Black Creole. Within Black Haitians, 86% were Black African, 12% were Black European and 2% were Native American. The remaining population of Haiti is primarily composed of Mulattoes, Europeans, Asians, and Arabs. Hispanic residents in Haiti are mostly Cuban and Dominican. About two-thirds of Haitian people live in rural areas. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Black Creole&quot; is defined as having full or partial sub-Saharan ancestry.

&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Barbados&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Demographics of Barbados&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The population of Barbados is predominantly black (91%) or mixed (4%). 3.5% of the population is white and 1% South Asian. The remaining 0.5% of the population includes East Asians (0.1%). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not an enormous amont of difference there between the racial composition of the 2 countries.

In addition, far greater numbers of people have left Haiti for the US than have left Barbados for the US (see &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/caribbean-immigrants-united-states-2017&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;).  That means that far more of the group of Haitians with more drive (and probably more intelligence) have left Haiti than have left Barbados (and &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbadian_British&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;a comparable number of people have not gone to the UK&lt;/a&gt; from Barbados, either).  So there&#039;s been a bigger drain from Haiti of the people who are probably more enterprising and more intelligent.

There are plenty of other differences between the two countries than race, and the racial differences are small.  One of those differences of course is Barbados&#039; history as a British colony (which you do allude to) vs. Haiti&#039;s far more troubled history with the French and then with early independence under bloody despots. 

It is a tremendous stretch to try to attribute the differences between the two countries to any tiny racial differences between them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cicero:</p>
<p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Haiti" rel="nofollow ugc">demographics of Haiti</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to population DNA tests, approximately 95% of the population of Haiti is Black Creole. Within Black Haitians, 86% were Black African, 12% were Black European and 2% were Native American. The remaining population of Haiti is primarily composed of Mulattoes, Europeans, Asians, and Arabs. Hispanic residents in Haiti are mostly Cuban and Dominican. About two-thirds of Haitian people live in rural areas. </p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Black Creole&#8221; is defined as having full or partial sub-Saharan ancestry.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Barbados" rel="nofollow ugc">Demographics of Barbados</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The population of Barbados is predominantly black (91%) or mixed (4%). 3.5% of the population is white and 1% South Asian. The remaining 0.5% of the population includes East Asians (0.1%). </p></blockquote>
<p>Not an enormous amont of difference there between the racial composition of the 2 countries.</p>
<p>In addition, far greater numbers of people have left Haiti for the US than have left Barbados for the US (see <a href="https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/caribbean-immigrants-united-states-2017" rel="nofollow ugc">this</a>).  That means that far more of the group of Haitians with more drive (and probably more intelligence) have left Haiti than have left Barbados (and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbadian_British" rel="nofollow ugc">a comparable number of people have not gone to the UK</a> from Barbados, either).  So there&#8217;s been a bigger drain from Haiti of the people who are probably more enterprising and more intelligent.</p>
<p>There are plenty of other differences between the two countries than race, and the racial differences are small.  One of those differences of course is Barbados&#8217; history as a British colony (which you do allude to) vs. Haiti&#8217;s far more troubled history with the French and then with early independence under bloody despots. </p>
<p>It is a tremendous stretch to try to attribute the differences between the two countries to any tiny racial differences between them.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2021 20:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:
Biology seems to get me a lot farther than it does you.

Haiti has been 100 % black and inbred (genetically undiluted) since its rebellion ca. 1800. Basically, no one has migrated to Haiti for over 200 years now. Cast your mind back to &quot;Papa Doc&quot; Duvalier and his voodoo practices. Not socially elevating!

Barbados is 90% Afro-Caribbean, with  genetic dilution that has been ongoing for a long time. It also had the social benefits of being an English colony since the early 1600s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:<br />
Biology seems to get me a lot farther than it does you.</p>
<p>Haiti has been 100 % black and inbred (genetically undiluted) since its rebellion ca. 1800. Basically, no one has migrated to Haiti for over 200 years now. Cast your mind back to &#8220;Papa Doc&#8221; Duvalier and his voodoo practices. Not socially elevating!</p>
<p>Barbados is 90% Afro-Caribbean, with  genetic dilution that has been ongoing for a long time. It also had the social benefits of being an English colony since the early 1600s.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/08/02/update-on-the-haitian-presidents-assassination/#comment-2567888</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2021 06:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jared Diamond&#039;s book &quot;Collapse&quot; compares Haiti and the Dominican Republic, on the same island, to investigate why the former country essentially &quot;collapsed&quot; after independence, and the latter did not.
Too long to summarize, but a lot had to do with colonial pre-conditions, demographics, and how their leaders (both pretty evil &quot;strongmen&quot;) dealt differently with the usual environmental degradation (that&#039;s a big cause of trouble in all collapsed societies).

These articles showed up in my search for such a summary.
I have no expertise for vetting any of them, but they do make interesting reading if you are interested in how people can have totally different perspectives on what should be the objective facts of history.

https://business.time.com/2010/01/14/jared-diamonds-haiti-story/

https://timothyschwartzhaiti.com/an-open-critique-of-jared-diamonds-collapse-haiti-and-dr/

https://nacla.org/blog/2012/8/20/haiti-jared-diamond-hasnt-done-his-homework]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared Diamond&#8217;s book &#8220;Collapse&#8221; compares Haiti and the Dominican Republic, on the same island, to investigate why the former country essentially &#8220;collapsed&#8221; after independence, and the latter did not.<br />
Too long to summarize, but a lot had to do with colonial pre-conditions, demographics, and how their leaders (both pretty evil &#8220;strongmen&#8221;) dealt differently with the usual environmental degradation (that&#8217;s a big cause of trouble in all collapsed societies).</p>
<p>These articles showed up in my search for such a summary.<br />
I have no expertise for vetting any of them, but they do make interesting reading if you are interested in how people can have totally different perspectives on what should be the objective facts of history.</p>
<p><a href="https://business.time.com/2010/01/14/jared-diamonds-haiti-story/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://business.time.com/2010/01/14/jared-diamonds-haiti-story/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://timothyschwartzhaiti.com/an-open-critique-of-jared-diamonds-collapse-haiti-and-dr/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://timothyschwartzhaiti.com/an-open-critique-of-jared-diamonds-collapse-haiti-and-dr/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://nacla.org/blog/2012/8/20/haiti-jared-diamond-hasnt-done-his-homework" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nacla.org/blog/2012/8/20/haiti-jared-diamond-hasnt-done-his-homework</a></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2021 00:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Cicero:

If you’re a Right Tail Machiavellian are you going to hire your retarded fellow countrymen or some smarter Spics with a track record?

Dunno how noticeable it is in the USA because you’re deluged in the Diversity… but out here in Greater Chinkydom and SE Asia you notice the ones who keep showing up but stick out like the proverbial Dog’s D$%^ (now that’s how Ozzy Man would really talk down at the pub) amongst very different races — and the five recurring no-longer-surprised to see *them* here themes wherever I’ve lived are:

(1) Russian Mafia.
(2) Israeli Mafia (Yes, Virginia, there is an Israeli Underbelly.)
(3) Iranian Mafia. The Shifty Iranian is a now time-worn trope in Japan. In Tokyo and Bangkok you get the Israeli Mafia and the Iranian Mafia and those who use these as cover for deeper stuff eyeing each other off warily whilst they compete in roughly the same rackets. 
(4) North Koreans — sometimes it gets hilarious. In Jakarta the North and South Korean secret service ran restaurants practically across the road from each other.
(5) Tada! Colombians. Drugs, prostitution, diamond robberies (huge specialty), Five Star Hotel Room thefts, and one would imagine out of town hits.

Globalism is real. Probably more real where the shifty stuff is concerned. Hiring a bunch of Colombians would be about the level of the Haitian ‘Elite’ — they don’t bat in the big leagues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cicero:</p>
<p>If you’re a Right Tail Machiavellian are you going to hire your retarded fellow countrymen or some smarter Spics with a track record?</p>
<p>Dunno how noticeable it is in the USA because you’re deluged in the Diversity… but out here in Greater Chinkydom and SE Asia you notice the ones who keep showing up but stick out like the proverbial Dog’s D$%^ (now that’s how Ozzy Man would really talk down at the pub) amongst very different races — and the five recurring no-longer-surprised to see *them* here themes wherever I’ve lived are:</p>
<p>(1) Russian Mafia.<br />
(2) Israeli Mafia (Yes, Virginia, there is an Israeli Underbelly.)<br />
(3) Iranian Mafia. The Shifty Iranian is a now time-worn trope in Japan. In Tokyo and Bangkok you get the Israeli Mafia and the Iranian Mafia and those who use these as cover for deeper stuff eyeing each other off warily whilst they compete in roughly the same rackets.<br />
(4) North Koreans — sometimes it gets hilarious. In Jakarta the North and South Korean secret service ran restaurants practically across the road from each other.<br />
(5) Tada! Colombians. Drugs, prostitution, diamond robberies (huge specialty), Five Star Hotel Room thefts, and one would imagine out of town hits.</p>
<p>Globalism is real. Probably more real where the shifty stuff is concerned. Hiring a bunch of Colombians would be about the level of the Haitian ‘Elite’ — they don’t bat in the big leagues.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 23:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Haiti is a garbage can full of rot. It cannot be saved from itself.&lt;/i&gt;

Sentimental aren&#039;t you?


&lt;i&gt;I refer you to Charles Murray’s recent book, &lt;/i&gt;

If you want to understand why Haiti is Haiti and Barbados is Barbados, biology doesn&#039;t get you very far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Haiti is a garbage can full of rot. It cannot be saved from itself.</i></p>
<p>Sentimental aren&#8217;t you?</p>
<p><i>I refer you to Charles Murray’s recent book, </i></p>
<p>If you want to understand why Haiti is Haiti and Barbados is Barbados, biology doesn&#8217;t get you very far.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 23:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matthew: Where have you been? You still believe everything that is reported? Maybe the doers were Haitians, and Colombians are easy to blame. They cannot hide in Haitian blackness. God help them in the Haitian prisons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew: Where have you been? You still believe everything that is reported? Maybe the doers were Haitians, and Colombians are easy to blame. They cannot hide in Haitian blackness. God help them in the Haitian prisons.</p>
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		By: Matthew		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 23:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting that the mercenaries that killed the president were Colombian. Toward the end of the Iraq war a lot of PMCs recruited from South America. I believe the Saudi&#039;s hired Colombian mercs in Yemen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that the mercenaries that killed the president were Colombian. Toward the end of the Iraq war a lot of PMCs recruited from South America. I believe the Saudi&#8217;s hired Colombian mercs in Yemen.</p>
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