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		By: FOAF		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo, zman is no more “smart” or “clever” than Obama.  And his oily narcissistic  smarm is anything but “colorful” or “interesting”.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, zman is no more “smart” or “clever” than Obama.  And his oily narcissistic  smarm is anything but “colorful” or “interesting”.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/07/05/applying-the-same-principles-to-both-sides/#comment-2562993</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I learn about the left when they back up an argument under assault by facts.  What they go to is indicative of who they are.  Accusations of racism, dismissing the horrors of, say, Pol Pot&#039;s regime by referring to different cultures or whatabouting yet again...slavery, trail of tears, so forth.
There are any number of horrors which don&#039;t impress them, as long as they&#039;re committed by enemies of the US/west. 
Or, as one very nice church lady said, with a sniff, of the dead women and children at Waco, &quot;They were a cult.&quot;  That&#039;s who the left is, the very nice church lady, your kid&#039;s social studies teacher, the staff of pretty much any news organization.
Now, some other tragedy, say, of George Floyd, is for the ages.
Matthew Shepard....Jesse Dirkhising.
They don&#039;t give a--find an obscenity and make it go exponential--what happens to the innocents if it would reflect badly on their heroes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learn about the left when they back up an argument under assault by facts.  What they go to is indicative of who they are.  Accusations of racism, dismissing the horrors of, say, Pol Pot&#8217;s regime by referring to different cultures or whatabouting yet again&#8230;slavery, trail of tears, so forth.<br />
There are any number of horrors which don&#8217;t impress them, as long as they&#8217;re committed by enemies of the US/west.<br />
Or, as one very nice church lady said, with a sniff, of the dead women and children at Waco, &#8220;They were a cult.&#8221;  That&#8217;s who the left is, the very nice church lady, your kid&#8217;s social studies teacher, the staff of pretty much any news organization.<br />
Now, some other tragedy, say, of George Floyd, is for the ages.<br />
Matthew Shepard&#8230;.Jesse Dirkhising.<br />
They don&#8217;t give a&#8211;find an obscenity and make it go exponential&#8211;what happens to the innocents if it would reflect badly on their heroes.</p>
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		By: JohnTyler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 18:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, speaking of principles, what are those of the left/demokrats/socialists/progressives?

Well, look no further, investigate no further,  than examining the principles of Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Castro, Chavez/Maduro, Kim Jong, et. al. 
That&#039;s all one need do. 

It&#039;s pretty simple, really. 

Some folks - like those who founded our Constitutional Republic believe INDIVIDUAL rights predominate and are part and parcel of being a human. 

Leftists, demonkrats, et. al., believe that govt - ruled by them, of course - should determine how people should live and what they believe. 

Note how those who are big fans of leftist ideology - Sanders, AOC, Pelosi,Schumer, all demonkrats, et. al., - REFUSE to leave the imperialist, racist USA and move to Cuba or N.Korea or  anywhere else (not even France or Bolivia or Nicaragua  or Venezuela or some black ruled Caribbean or African hell hole) . 
Why? 
Because the rulers there have already absconded with whatever power and riches are to be had - in the best traditions of socialist dictatorships (see, the nomenklatura of the former USSR) , and if AOC , Sanders, et. al. desire to have such riches - and they do - they must find them here in the USA. 

It really is too bad that execrable human scum like Sanders, AOC, Bidet, Schumer, et. al., cannot be deported and forced to live in those nations they so admire. 

Oh well, maybe one of these days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, speaking of principles, what are those of the left/demokrats/socialists/progressives?</p>
<p>Well, look no further, investigate no further,  than examining the principles of Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Castro, Chavez/Maduro, Kim Jong, et. al.<br />
That&#8217;s all one need do. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty simple, really. </p>
<p>Some folks &#8211; like those who founded our Constitutional Republic believe INDIVIDUAL rights predominate and are part and parcel of being a human. </p>
<p>Leftists, demonkrats, et. al., believe that govt &#8211; ruled by them, of course &#8211; should determine how people should live and what they believe. </p>
<p>Note how those who are big fans of leftist ideology &#8211; Sanders, AOC, Pelosi,Schumer, all demonkrats, et. al., &#8211; REFUSE to leave the imperialist, racist USA and move to Cuba or N.Korea or  anywhere else (not even France or Bolivia or Nicaragua  or Venezuela or some black ruled Caribbean or African hell hole) .<br />
Why?<br />
Because the rulers there have already absconded with whatever power and riches are to be had &#8211; in the best traditions of socialist dictatorships (see, the nomenklatura of the former USSR) , and if AOC , Sanders, et. al. desire to have such riches &#8211; and they do &#8211; they must find them here in the USA. </p>
<p>It really is too bad that execrable human scum like Sanders, AOC, Bidet, Schumer, et. al., cannot be deported and forced to live in those nations they so admire. </p>
<p>Oh well, maybe one of these days.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 18:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Richard: &lt;i&gt;The left has a counter for that. They deploy the term “whataboutism”...&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, I&#039;ve heard that one.  So what&#039;s the counter you most frequently see on the Right?  Because Leftist brains are not wired differently.  Like every other conceivable group of humans, there are fools, knaves, and honest people trying to do their best, in varying proportions.

The Left has no lock on vice.  So, if you spot it and call it out when it&#039;s done by someone on the Right, you are still yourself an honest man. If you can&#039;t see it or won&#039;t call it out, then the other two descriptors I used may fit better.

(I say, you not meaning &quot;Richard Aubrey&quot; but impersonal &quot;you&quot;, like the British-sounding &quot;one&quot;.)

I belabor this because you can&#039;t fight effectively if you are wrong about the nature of your enemy. I see a lot of people talking about the Left as though they represent some different order of humanity. That misperception is very useful to the real enemy and you can&#039;t fight him with his weapons on his ground.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard: <i>The left has a counter for that. They deploy the term “whataboutism”&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve heard that one.  So what&#8217;s the counter you most frequently see on the Right?  Because Leftist brains are not wired differently.  Like every other conceivable group of humans, there are fools, knaves, and honest people trying to do their best, in varying proportions.</p>
<p>The Left has no lock on vice.  So, if you spot it and call it out when it&#8217;s done by someone on the Right, you are still yourself an honest man. If you can&#8217;t see it or won&#8217;t call it out, then the other two descriptors I used may fit better.</p>
<p>(I say, you not meaning &#8220;Richard Aubrey&#8221; but impersonal &#8220;you&#8221;, like the British-sounding &#8220;one&#8221;.)</p>
<p>I belabor this because you can&#8217;t fight effectively if you are wrong about the nature of your enemy. I see a lot of people talking about the Left as though they represent some different order of humanity. That misperception is very useful to the real enemy and you can&#8217;t fight him with his weapons on his ground.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 17:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick et al:  
The left has a counter for that.  They deploy the term &quot;whataboutism&quot;, and...they win.  The term has been assigned sovereign powers to destroy any argument and anybody making such an argument.
They lie.  They know they lie.  They, more than likely, know you know they lie.  But they will not be called on it, they will not be convinced to change when a double standard is detected (as if it were news to them) and one&#039;s effort to do so only proves you&#039;re even more ignorant or dishonest or deplorable than they had already thought.

Now, I make my usual exception for the cohort I refer to as &quot;mush heads&quot; who don&#039;t actually know they lie.  From time to time a small bit of discomfort can be detected as what they say bumps up against something they accidentally remember knowing, or the logic seems incredibly silly.   But &quot;whataboutism&quot; is deployed and they are reassured.

I address the term by saying I&#039;m not trying to convince them of anything but how dishonest/silly/illogical they look to normal people.  And if they didn&#039;t want to look like that, they could keep believing but if they kept quiet, fewer people would know.

I don&#039;t think this makes any progress, but nor do any other actual arguments.  So I may as well indulge my well-known mean streak.

Or perhaps put them on notice that they need a new schtick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick et al:<br />
The left has a counter for that.  They deploy the term &#8220;whataboutism&#8221;, and&#8230;they win.  The term has been assigned sovereign powers to destroy any argument and anybody making such an argument.<br />
They lie.  They know they lie.  They, more than likely, know you know they lie.  But they will not be called on it, they will not be convinced to change when a double standard is detected (as if it were news to them) and one&#8217;s effort to do so only proves you&#8217;re even more ignorant or dishonest or deplorable than they had already thought.</p>
<p>Now, I make my usual exception for the cohort I refer to as &#8220;mush heads&#8221; who don&#8217;t actually know they lie.  From time to time a small bit of discomfort can be detected as what they say bumps up against something they accidentally remember knowing, or the logic seems incredibly silly.   But &#8220;whataboutism&#8221; is deployed and they are reassured.</p>
<p>I address the term by saying I&#8217;m not trying to convince them of anything but how dishonest/silly/illogical they look to normal people.  And if they didn&#8217;t want to look like that, they could keep believing but if they kept quiet, fewer people would know.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this makes any progress, but nor do any other actual arguments.  So I may as well indulge my well-known mean streak.</p>
<p>Or perhaps put them on notice that they need a new schtick.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whenever you see an apparent double standard, it&#039;s actually an unspoken &lt;i&gt;single standard&lt;/i&gt;, mostly taking the form &lt;i&gt;we&#039;re good/right because of who we are no matter what we say or do or why.&lt;/i&gt;

It is self-deluding to think that this is found only among people who are our political opponents. I see plenty of people everywhere doing it.  When it&#039;s not aimed at you it may be harder to see. People who vote D do not have differently wired brains.  The only way to not become a person like this is to watch yourself and people you agree with and call it out when you see it.

That is if you really believe in the principle that principles should be applied equally, not all of us really do despite what we say...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever you see an apparent double standard, it&#8217;s actually an unspoken <i>single standard</i>, mostly taking the form <i>we&#8217;re good/right because of who we are no matter what we say or do or why.</i></p>
<p>It is self-deluding to think that this is found only among people who are our political opponents. I see plenty of people everywhere doing it.  When it&#8217;s not aimed at you it may be harder to see. People who vote D do not have differently wired brains.  The only way to not become a person like this is to watch yourself and people you agree with and call it out when you see it.</p>
<p>That is if you really believe in the principle that principles should be applied equally, not all of us really do despite what we say&#8230;</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Should be: &quot;...whose brain...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be: &#8220;&#8230;whose brain&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One example should suffice (and you don&#039;t have to try too, too hard to catch the rampant insanity that saturates her &quot;thinking&quot; and thus the deranged irony of her &quot;warning&quot;):

From her article &quot;American Liberalism in Danger&quot; (Oct. 15, 2020)...
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/stop-being-shocked

&quot;...There is also the X factor of Donald Trump, which is impossible to overstate. Understandable hostility toward him has prevented many Jews from seeing the problem on the other side. To even look away from the obscenity in the White House for a moment strikes many, as they have told me, as irresponsible or beside the point.

&quot;I share with the majority of American Jews’ disgust toward Trump and Trumpism, which has normalized bigotry and cruelty in ways that have crippled American society. That truth doesn’t detract from another: There is another danger, this one from the left. And unlike Trump, this one has attained cultural dominance, capturing America’s elites and our most powerful institutions. In the event of a Biden victory, it is hard to imagine it meeting resistance. So let me make my purpose perfectly clear: I am here to ring the alarm. I’m here to say: Do not be shocked anymore. Stop saying, can you believe. It’s time to accept reality, if we want to have any hope of fixing it....&quot;

That second paragraph is a real doozy. 

The only possible conclusion is that she&#039;s just another purported liberal who&#039;s brain has turned to mush.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One example should suffice (and you don&#8217;t have to try too, too hard to catch the rampant insanity that saturates her &#8220;thinking&#8221; and thus the deranged irony of her &#8220;warning&#8221;):</p>
<p>From her article &#8220;American Liberalism in Danger&#8221; (Oct. 15, 2020)&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/stop-being-shocked" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/stop-being-shocked</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;There is also the X factor of Donald Trump, which is impossible to overstate. Understandable hostility toward him has prevented many Jews from seeing the problem on the other side. To even look away from the obscenity in the White House for a moment strikes many, as they have told me, as irresponsible or beside the point.</p>
<p>&#8220;I share with the majority of American Jews’ disgust toward Trump and Trumpism, which has normalized bigotry and cruelty in ways that have crippled American society. That truth doesn’t detract from another: There is another danger, this one from the left. And unlike Trump, this one has attained cultural dominance, capturing America’s elites and our most powerful institutions. In the event of a Biden victory, it is hard to imagine it meeting resistance. So let me make my purpose perfectly clear: I am here to ring the alarm. I’m here to say: Do not be shocked anymore. Stop saying, can you believe. It’s time to accept reality, if we want to have any hope of fixing it&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>That second paragraph is a real doozy. </p>
<p>The only possible conclusion is that she&#8217;s just another purported liberal who&#8217;s brain has turned to mush.</p>
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		By: aNanyMouse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Barry M, can you specify major cases, of Ms. Weiss believing/ promoting the lies?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barry M, can you specify major cases, of Ms. Weiss believing/ promoting the lies?</p>
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		By: Skip		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2021 09:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Democrat Propaganda Ministry, and propaganda spokesman have no morals.]]></description>
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