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		By: geoffb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 19:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being surrounded by a mob that is threatening you brings &quot;disparity of force&quot; into the self defense argument even if the mob has no weapons as such. Deadly force is permitted to be used in such a situation if a &quot;reasonable man&quot; would believe his life was endangered. 

Also under Texas law you can use deadly force to prevent the forcible entry into your vehicle or forcible removable of yourself or another from a vehicle. 

That said, what this prosecutor is apparently doing is using the idea that Perry, by driving his car into the &quot;protest,&quot; is the aggressor and any action taken by those at the &quot;protest&quot; is thus to be viewed as in self-defense. In the Travis county jurisdiction he may be able to sustain this view and obtain a conviction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being surrounded by a mob that is threatening you brings &#8220;disparity of force&#8221; into the self defense argument even if the mob has no weapons as such. Deadly force is permitted to be used in such a situation if a &#8220;reasonable man&#8221; would believe his life was endangered. </p>
<p>Also under Texas law you can use deadly force to prevent the forcible entry into your vehicle or forcible removable of yourself or another from a vehicle. </p>
<p>That said, what this prosecutor is apparently doing is using the idea that Perry, by driving his car into the &#8220;protest,&#8221; is the aggressor and any action taken by those at the &#8220;protest&#8221; is thus to be viewed as in self-defense. In the Travis county jurisdiction he may be able to sustain this view and obtain a conviction.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 18:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo, 

Yes, in order to sustain a charge of murder, the DA has to claim that self-defense was not involved.

However, Perry had to assume that Foster&#039;s rifle was loaded. Foster ordered Perry out of his car and had the rifle in the ready position. That&#039;s an implied threat and, if Perry refused Foster&#039;s order and waited to see if Foster would point the rifle at him, he would have been placing his life at much greater risk. 

Also, why tell Perry to get out of his car, since Perry just wanted to continue down a public thoroughfare? 

We don&#039;t know if Foster started to raise his rifle or if he then pointed it at Perry. We do know that none of the &quot;mostly peaceful&quot; demonstrators witness testimony can be trusted. 

We also know that when your life is threatened, you can&#039;t afford to wait until the aggressor is shooting at you. 

Foster had a rifle he could easily raise in a split second to a firing position. In ordering Perry out of his car to be surrounded by a hostile mob... had but one response to remove the threat. Foster&#039;s stupidity brought his fate upon him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, </p>
<p>Yes, in order to sustain a charge of murder, the DA has to claim that self-defense was not involved.</p>
<p>However, Perry had to assume that Foster&#8217;s rifle was loaded. Foster ordered Perry out of his car and had the rifle in the ready position. That&#8217;s an implied threat and, if Perry refused Foster&#8217;s order and waited to see if Foster would point the rifle at him, he would have been placing his life at much greater risk. </p>
<p>Also, why tell Perry to get out of his car, since Perry just wanted to continue down a public thoroughfare? </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know if Foster started to raise his rifle or if he then pointed it at Perry. We do know that none of the &#8220;mostly peaceful&#8221; demonstrators witness testimony can be trusted. </p>
<p>We also know that when your life is threatened, you can&#8217;t afford to wait until the aggressor is shooting at you. </p>
<p>Foster had a rifle he could easily raise in a split second to a firing position. In ordering Perry out of his car to be surrounded by a hostile mob&#8230; had but one response to remove the threat. Foster&#8217;s stupidity brought his fate upon him.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW -- reading the Daily Mail piece...

&quot;Mitchell - who had all four of her limbs amputated in 2010 after contracting a mystery virus &quot;

A bit of a difference in description between that and &quot;A UTI&quot;...

SMH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8212; reading the Daily Mail piece&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Mitchell &#8211; who had all four of her limbs amputated in 2010 after contracting a mystery virus &#8221;</p>
<p>A bit of a difference in description between that and &#8220;A UTI&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>SMH.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Were Perry dead and Foster the shooter, I doubt that any charge of this seriousness would be brought.
The longer-range problem for the country is how many people agree with me, and find it disturbing.  And how many people would find it an appropriate result.  I strongly suspect the latter group consist of a non-trivial number.
I can hardly stop myself from putting the latters&#039; excuses into their mouths before I talk to them about anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were Perry dead and Foster the shooter, I doubt that any charge of this seriousness would be brought.<br />
The longer-range problem for the country is how many people agree with me, and find it disturbing.  And how many people would find it an appropriate result.  I strongly suspect the latter group consist of a non-trivial number.<br />
I can hardly stop myself from putting the latters&#8217; excuses into their mouths before I talk to them about anything.</p>
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		By: Chases Eagles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chases Eagles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 14:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Used be, a masked man with gun forcing traffic to stop would be treated as a highwayman and shot on the spot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Used be, a masked man with gun forcing traffic to stop would be treated as a highwayman and shot on the spot.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Despite &quot;Texas&quot;, Austin is a liberal hell-hole, being both the state capital AND a &quot;college town&quot; (UTex). 

None of this is any surprise, though clearly, and always, a disappointment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite &#8220;Texas&#8221;, Austin is a liberal hell-hole, being both the state capital AND a &#8220;college town&#8221; (UTex). </p>
<p>None of this is any surprise, though clearly, and always, a disappointment.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 05:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jon baker:

Lovely story. 

I think there is much good will remaining in our nation. Not to be forgotten.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jon baker:</p>
<p>Lovely story. </p>
<p>I think there is much good will remaining in our nation. Not to be forgotten.</p>
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		By: jon baker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 05:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In spite of my angry rants earlier, today I had a really good experience with a total stranger. I was in McDonalds getting lunch and this older black guy comes in wearing a “Thin Blue Line” Police Flag shirt and a US Army Ball cap. I waited till he finished giving his order and then stepped up and handed the cashier a $20 bill and said I was paying for the man’s meal. I told him he was a brave man to be wearing that shirt and that I had served in the National  Guard, with a couple of active duty tours. He had been in Vietnam.
I relayed to him how last summer, on more than one occasion when I was getting very upset about the events going on, a black person had stepped up to do something for me. One was when I was driving down the road and a car from the group foster home that I used to volunteer at was beside me in the road. Two of the kids , one black, one hispanic, recognized me , along with the staff, and started waving very energetically at me, all smiles. Another time a black man in the vehicle in front of me at a drive thru paid for my meal. 
The older black man I talked to today spoke about real discrimination in the past that he had seen. 
Without ever specifically mentioning any specific group, his comment was that what was going on today is all a lie , meant to divide us. 
Turned out, not surprisingly, that this guy had worked for the sheriff’s Department in some capacity in the past and was a pastor.
He knew the pastor at my church and we also had a mutual tie via another black pastor I had worked with at the foster home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In spite of my angry rants earlier, today I had a really good experience with a total stranger. I was in McDonalds getting lunch and this older black guy comes in wearing a “Thin Blue Line” Police Flag shirt and a US Army Ball cap. I waited till he finished giving his order and then stepped up and handed the cashier a $20 bill and said I was paying for the man’s meal. I told him he was a brave man to be wearing that shirt and that I had served in the National  Guard, with a couple of active duty tours. He had been in Vietnam.<br />
I relayed to him how last summer, on more than one occasion when I was getting very upset about the events going on, a black person had stepped up to do something for me. One was when I was driving down the road and a car from the group foster home that I used to volunteer at was beside me in the road. Two of the kids , one black, one hispanic, recognized me , along with the staff, and started waving very energetically at me, all smiles. Another time a black man in the vehicle in front of me at a drive thru paid for my meal.<br />
The older black man I talked to today spoke about real discrimination in the past that he had seen.<br />
Without ever specifically mentioning any specific group, his comment was that what was going on today is all a lie , meant to divide us.<br />
Turned out, not surprisingly, that this guy had worked for the sheriff’s Department in some capacity in the past and was a pastor.<br />
He knew the pastor at my church and we also had a mutual tie via another black pastor I had worked with at the foster home.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 05:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reason, the libertarian website, has an article on the shooting titled:

&lt;i&gt;--Zuri Davis, &quot;The Libertarian Party Mourns Garrett Foster, Activist Killed at a Black Lives Matter Protest&quot;
https://reason.com/2020/07/27/the-libertarian-party-mourns-garrett-foster-activist-killed-at-a-black-lives-matter-protest/&lt;/i&gt;

Foster considered himself a Libertarian. In the Reason credits, Zuri Davis, the article author, celebrates herself as &quot;Catholic/Black/Feminist/pluviophile.&quot; The latter being a &quot;lover of rain.&quot; 

Her article on the shooting is ... questionable. She gets ratio&#039;d in the comments with most of her support coming from trolls.

One thing I learned from the comments is that Foster had his rifle at &quot;low ready.&quot; I didn&#039;t know the term, but it was clear from the photo that his rifle wasn&#039;t casually slung over his shoulder.

Foster was at the protest with his quad amputee fiance. (She had had a urinary infection which went septic and lost her limbs below the the knees and elbows.) He was pushing her wheelchair around and carrying his AK rifle. They attended these protests regularly.

Foster was interviewed that night by someone livestreaming. Foster was asked if he felt he would have to use his rifle:
_____________________________________

&lt;i&gt;Nah, I mean, if I use it against the cops I’m dead. I think all the people that hate us and want to say shit to us are too big of p-ssies to stop and actually do anything about it.

https://thespectator.info/2020/07/26/people-who-hate-us-are-too-big-of-p-ssies-to-actually-do-anything-about-it/&lt;/i&gt;
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Mr. Foster sounds like a complicated young man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason, the libertarian website, has an article on the shooting titled:</p>
<p><i>&#8211;Zuri Davis, &#8220;The Libertarian Party Mourns Garrett Foster, Activist Killed at a Black Lives Matter Protest&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://reason.com/2020/07/27/the-libertarian-party-mourns-garrett-foster-activist-killed-at-a-black-lives-matter-protest/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://reason.com/2020/07/27/the-libertarian-party-mourns-garrett-foster-activist-killed-at-a-black-lives-matter-protest/</a></i></p>
<p>Foster considered himself a Libertarian. In the Reason credits, Zuri Davis, the article author, celebrates herself as &#8220;Catholic/Black/Feminist/pluviophile.&#8221; The latter being a &#8220;lover of rain.&#8221; </p>
<p>Her article on the shooting is &#8230; questionable. She gets ratio&#8217;d in the comments with most of her support coming from trolls.</p>
<p>One thing I learned from the comments is that Foster had his rifle at &#8220;low ready.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t know the term, but it was clear from the photo that his rifle wasn&#8217;t casually slung over his shoulder.</p>
<p>Foster was at the protest with his quad amputee fiance. (She had had a urinary infection which went septic and lost her limbs below the the knees and elbows.) He was pushing her wheelchair around and carrying his AK rifle. They attended these protests regularly.</p>
<p>Foster was interviewed that night by someone livestreaming. Foster was asked if he felt he would have to use his rifle:<br />
_____________________________________</p>
<p><i>Nah, I mean, if I use it against the cops I’m dead. I think all the people that hate us and want to say shit to us are too big of p-ssies to stop and actually do anything about it.</p>
<p><a href="https://thespectator.info/2020/07/26/people-who-hate-us-are-too-big-of-p-ssies-to-actually-do-anything-about-it/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thespectator.info/2020/07/26/people-who-hate-us-are-too-big-of-p-ssies-to-actually-do-anything-about-it/</a></i><br />
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<p>Mr. Foster sounds like a complicated young man.</p>
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		By: jon baker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 05:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JimNorCal,
Reading comments on various Twitter feeds does give me some hope that in two areas the Democrats have overplayed. One is in the Transgender “ women” in Women’s sports and the other is the Democrat’s claims about crime. 
Last summer I met a friend of a friend on FB that was leaving the Democrats ,in part , because she realized the “ mostly peaceful demonstrations” the media was claiming were false based on videos being posted to social media.
How rare is that “ changer” story? Was she basically a conservative all along? 
The lying media is the biggest obstacle for those in the middle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimNorCal,<br />
Reading comments on various Twitter feeds does give me some hope that in two areas the Democrats have overplayed. One is in the Transgender “ women” in Women’s sports and the other is the Democrat’s claims about crime.<br />
Last summer I met a friend of a friend on FB that was leaving the Democrats ,in part , because she realized the “ mostly peaceful demonstrations” the media was claiming were false based on videos being posted to social media.<br />
How rare is that “ changer” story? Was she basically a conservative all along?<br />
The lying media is the biggest obstacle for those in the middle.</p>
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