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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2021 04:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What we discovered after the legalization, which we hadn&#039;t really anticipated, is that one of our sons is highly allergic to the smoke, and even the vapors arising from smoker&#039;s clothing.

The first he noticed it, back when the legislation was new, was while working as a clerk at a retail store heavily patronized by the artistic creators and vendors that are quite numerous in Denver.  It was very clear to him who had been indulging prior to coming shopping.

In his next job (before it tanked due to Covid), he had to get a protective hood with air filters to wear when one of his co-workers was working the same shift in a not very large space.

He now works in a &quot;clean facility&quot; for medical device manufacturing, which helps, but  they have to shut off their swamp cooler on nights that the neighbors are out in the yard toking.
Another friend had to move out of her apartment because of the neighbors. She wasn&#039;t allergic, but she just hated the smell.

I would hope that some activist group might force some &quot;safe space&quot; legislation, but there&#039;s no money in it for anyone, as the pot growers don&#039;t have the accessible deep pockets of the tobacco industry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we discovered after the legalization, which we hadn&#8217;t really anticipated, is that one of our sons is highly allergic to the smoke, and even the vapors arising from smoker&#8217;s clothing.</p>
<p>The first he noticed it, back when the legislation was new, was while working as a clerk at a retail store heavily patronized by the artistic creators and vendors that are quite numerous in Denver.  It was very clear to him who had been indulging prior to coming shopping.</p>
<p>In his next job (before it tanked due to Covid), he had to get a protective hood with air filters to wear when one of his co-workers was working the same shift in a not very large space.</p>
<p>He now works in a &#8220;clean facility&#8221; for medical device manufacturing, which helps, but  they have to shut off their swamp cooler on nights that the neighbors are out in the yard toking.<br />
Another friend had to move out of her apartment because of the neighbors. She wasn&#8217;t allergic, but she just hated the smell.</p>
<p>I would hope that some activist group might force some &#8220;safe space&#8221; legislation, but there&#8217;s no money in it for anyone, as the pot growers don&#8217;t have the accessible deep pockets of the tobacco industry.</p>
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		By: deadrody		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 23:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a bunch of propaganda nonsense.  OMG, mj use is up!  Yeah, it&#039;s LEGAL.  Where are the hand wringing propaganda reports about alcohol (also legal) use ?

When you lead with the worst effect being that OMG, people are using the legal substance, you&#039;re given away the ghost right out of the chute.  

The actual effects of marijuana use in people is orders of magnitude less than alcohol.  Maybe the Hudson Institute could do some research into that.

Meanwhile, there is no current way to test for someone being actively impaired by pot, so claiming that marijuana related anything is increasing is a complete red herring.  You have no idea what is or isn&#039;t marijuana related because you cannot test for it in a meaningful way.  Like claiming that teen suicide is somehow related to the fact that 1/3 of such people have tested positive means... ?  It means nothing.  Are you actually trying to claim that pot CAUSED these kids to commit suicide ? 

Please, stop the gaslighting FFS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of propaganda nonsense.  OMG, mj use is up!  Yeah, it&#8217;s LEGAL.  Where are the hand wringing propaganda reports about alcohol (also legal) use ?</p>
<p>When you lead with the worst effect being that OMG, people are using the legal substance, you&#8217;re given away the ghost right out of the chute.  </p>
<p>The actual effects of marijuana use in people is orders of magnitude less than alcohol.  Maybe the Hudson Institute could do some research into that.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, there is no current way to test for someone being actively impaired by pot, so claiming that marijuana related anything is increasing is a complete red herring.  You have no idea what is or isn&#8217;t marijuana related because you cannot test for it in a meaningful way.  Like claiming that teen suicide is somehow related to the fact that 1/3 of such people have tested positive means&#8230; ?  It means nothing.  Are you actually trying to claim that pot CAUSED these kids to commit suicide ? </p>
<p>Please, stop the gaslighting FFS.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om, yeah, what  won&#039;t they do to get people vaxed? Also on tap - get a shot and have a free beer. Well, it&#039;s The People&#039;s Republic, what can we expect?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om, yeah, what  won&#8217;t they do to get people vaxed? Also on tap &#8211; get a shot and have a free beer. Well, it&#8217;s The People&#8217;s Republic, what can we expect?</p>
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		By: Mike-SMO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike-SMO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since there are so many people willing to take me to Hell with them, I&#039;d go with medical oil and only by ingestion.  Cheech and Chong are only funny &quot;on screen&quot;. A friend lost a &quot;long time&quot; to a 5X &quot;alky&quot; after his family loaned him a car since he couldn&#039;t get past the &quot;puffer&quot; ignition.  Our state will do nothing about it.  You know, alcoholism is a &quot;disease&quot; and they are &quot;family&quot;.  

THC isn&#039;t &quot;volatile&quot;, so maybe, a breath test for THC that would not respond to blood levels. Save the blood test for the deranged fools..  As I recall, there used to be a list of conditions and medications that warned of driving or using heavy machinery.  Put some teeth into that &quot;recommendation&quot;!  One friend &quot;might&quot; benefit from cannabinoid therapy but then they&#039;d better bum rides, hitch, or get a bus pass. 

I recall adolescence as being difficult enough, without making worse trouble easy to find.  

I am told that my own actions will determine the precise part of Hell that I have earned.  The &quot;wrong-place-wrong-time&quot; doesn&#039;t appeal to me. Nor does &quot;highway hamburger&quot;.

Don&#039;t get me started on cocaine, opiates, and &quot;bath salts&quot;.  

Since it is virtually impossible to force mental illness treatment and there is no treatment for &quot;stupid&quot;, I am rather partial to a therapeutic &quot;time out&quot; in state custody.  &quot;Inside&quot;, they can&#039;t harm me or mine.  I am deaf to the complaints of &quot;family&quot;. &quot;Family&quot; provided the car to a repeat alcoholic that led to one dead and one maimed in the next county. The Prude family (Rochester) did nothing for their &quot;mental&quot; family member who eventually died, almost naked in the snow, of a (probable) PCP overdose.  

If &quot;they&quot; stayed home and watched the TV test pattern, it would be different than when &quot;they&quot; go for a drive (and they always do) and try to kill me or mine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there are so many people willing to take me to Hell with them, I&#8217;d go with medical oil and only by ingestion.  Cheech and Chong are only funny &#8220;on screen&#8221;. A friend lost a &#8220;long time&#8221; to a 5X &#8220;alky&#8221; after his family loaned him a car since he couldn&#8217;t get past the &#8220;puffer&#8221; ignition.  Our state will do nothing about it.  You know, alcoholism is a &#8220;disease&#8221; and they are &#8220;family&#8221;.  </p>
<p>THC isn&#8217;t &#8220;volatile&#8221;, so maybe, a breath test for THC that would not respond to blood levels. Save the blood test for the deranged fools..  As I recall, there used to be a list of conditions and medications that warned of driving or using heavy machinery.  Put some teeth into that &#8220;recommendation&#8221;!  One friend &#8220;might&#8221; benefit from cannabinoid therapy but then they&#8217;d better bum rides, hitch, or get a bus pass. </p>
<p>I recall adolescence as being difficult enough, without making worse trouble easy to find.  </p>
<p>I am told that my own actions will determine the precise part of Hell that I have earned.  The &#8220;wrong-place-wrong-time&#8221; doesn&#8217;t appeal to me. Nor does &#8220;highway hamburger&#8221;.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on cocaine, opiates, and &#8220;bath salts&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Since it is virtually impossible to force mental illness treatment and there is no treatment for &#8220;stupid&#8221;, I am rather partial to a therapeutic &#8220;time out&#8221; in state custody.  &#8220;Inside&#8221;, they can&#8217;t harm me or mine.  I am deaf to the complaints of &#8220;family&#8221;. &#8220;Family&#8221; provided the car to a repeat alcoholic that led to one dead and one maimed in the next county. The Prude family (Rochester) did nothing for their &#8220;mental&#8221; family member who eventually died, almost naked in the snow, of a (probable) PCP overdose.  </p>
<p>If &#8220;they&#8221; stayed home and watched the TV test pattern, it would be different than when &#8220;they&#8221; go for a drive (and they always do) and try to kill me or mine.</p>
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		By: HumphreyP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HumphreyP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Relevant to what I posted above:
https://fee.org/articles/states-ending-ultra-generous-welfare-are-doing-better-in-one-big-way-new-data-show/

Included is a U.S. map of states that &quot;plan to or have ended benefits early.&quot;

Also note the point about small businesses, which generally cannot afford to pay as much as larger businesses. In the inner city, besides greater difficulty finding an entry level job for some, a direct effect, consider also a predictable effect on small business creation (legal ones that is) and longer-term, competitive effects.

Relevant also is both the Quotation of the Day and Bonus Quotation of the Day, for June 30, 2021, from Thomas Sowell:
https://cafehayek.com/

Happy 91st Birthday from me as well, Professor Sowell!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relevant to what I posted above:<br />
<a href="https://fee.org/articles/states-ending-ultra-generous-welfare-are-doing-better-in-one-big-way-new-data-show/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://fee.org/articles/states-ending-ultra-generous-welfare-are-doing-better-in-one-big-way-new-data-show/</a></p>
<p>Included is a U.S. map of states that &#8220;plan to or have ended benefits early.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also note the point about small businesses, which generally cannot afford to pay as much as larger businesses. In the inner city, besides greater difficulty finding an entry level job for some, a direct effect, consider also a predictable effect on small business creation (legal ones that is) and longer-term, competitive effects.</p>
<p>Relevant also is both the Quotation of the Day and Bonus Quotation of the Day, for June 30, 2021, from Thomas Sowell:<br />
<a href="https://cafehayek.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cafehayek.com/</a></p>
<p>Happy 91st Birthday from me as well, Professor Sowell!</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 18:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J. 

And to show the wisdom of some of our WA state agencies, the WA Dept. Of Health was giving away joints to encourage people to get the WuFlu vaccine.  Did they have drive-through window service; dose, doobie, and drive?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J. </p>
<p>And to show the wisdom of some of our WA state agencies, the WA Dept. Of Health was giving away joints to encourage people to get the WuFlu vaccine.  Did they have drive-through window service; dose, doobie, and drive?</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 18:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pot legalization here in WA has been about the same as CO. Nothing really good about it except a few less people getting charged with drug crimes.  One large issue here is that pot shops deal in cash. So, they are frequently burglarized.  The thugs know where the cash is - in the the pot stores. Several cases of daylight smash and grab type burglaries. Pretty dangerous for all involved. The tax  revenue to the state has not been as large as expected either.  I  would rate the experience here as a bad thing overall as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pot legalization here in WA has been about the same as CO. Nothing really good about it except a few less people getting charged with drug crimes.  One large issue here is that pot shops deal in cash. So, they are frequently burglarized.  The thugs know where the cash is &#8211; in the the pot stores. Several cases of daylight smash and grab type burglaries. Pretty dangerous for all involved. The tax  revenue to the state has not been as large as expected either.  I  would rate the experience here as a bad thing overall as well.</p>
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		By: HumphreyP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HumphreyP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[* &quot;the right kind of people,&quot; particularly white, sufficiently high perhaps that mother might stay home with the kids instead of work.

Sterilization might be considered for others. 

I believe it is around then that Justice Holmes in a well-known Supreme Court case said something like &#039;three generations of idiots is enough&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* &#8220;the right kind of people,&#8221; particularly white, sufficiently high perhaps that mother might stay home with the kids instead of work.</p>
<p>Sterilization might be considered for others. </p>
<p>I believe it is around then that Justice Holmes in a well-known Supreme Court case said something like &#8216;three generations of idiots is enough&#8217;.</p>
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		By: HumphreyP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HumphreyP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would add that things like minimum wage laws and unions have long helped make drug dealing perhaps a better paying alternative for many African Americans and others who might otherwise take an entry level job.

Consider what is happening in large American cities today.

Liberals talk about systemic racism, yet &lt;b&gt;could not be more ignorant about reasons &lt;/b&gt; given for enacting minimum wage laws during Woodrow Wilson&#039;s administration more than a century ago, things like eugenics, a &quot;living&quot; wage and good jobs available for others, the kind of right people. 

See the book Illiberal Reformers: Race, Eugenics, and American Economics in the Progressive Era, by Thomas Leonard, or before the book, and before he was at Princeton, academic articles written by him when he was still at Duke.

In events over the last decade or more, I&#039;ve noticed that Jeff Bozos and his  associates at the Washington Post never bring up this history -- and the role of Woodrow Wilson, his Labor Secretary and former associate at Princeton, and well known progressive-era economists from that era, involved in this reform movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that things like minimum wage laws and unions have long helped make drug dealing perhaps a better paying alternative for many African Americans and others who might otherwise take an entry level job.</p>
<p>Consider what is happening in large American cities today.</p>
<p>Liberals talk about systemic racism, yet <b>could not be more ignorant about reasons </b> given for enacting minimum wage laws during Woodrow Wilson&#8217;s administration more than a century ago, things like eugenics, a &#8220;living&#8221; wage and good jobs available for others, the kind of right people. </p>
<p>See the book Illiberal Reformers: Race, Eugenics, and American Economics in the Progressive Era, by Thomas Leonard, or before the book, and before he was at Princeton, academic articles written by him when he was still at Duke.</p>
<p>In events over the last decade or more, I&#8217;ve noticed that Jeff Bozos and his  associates at the Washington Post never bring up this history &#8212; and the role of Woodrow Wilson, his Labor Secretary and former associate at Princeton, and well known progressive-era economists from that era, involved in this reform movement.</p>
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		By: HumphreyP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HumphreyP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most recently, I imagine Covid and the associated greater and extended unemployment benefits increased demand. 

Without the social welfare state long in place now more generally, I imagine demand is greater than it would be without it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most recently, I imagine Covid and the associated greater and extended unemployment benefits increased demand. </p>
<p>Without the social welfare state long in place now more generally, I imagine demand is greater than it would be without it.</p>
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