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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 13:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Viva Frei has a lovely piece about Canadian Bill C-10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Z6VSfVTeo

Basically, they want to give the government complete control over content on the internet in Canada. And just rammed through a bill @ 2am in the morning to push it, trying to get their &quot;other house&quot; to pass it too before elections in the fall get them tossed out of office.

Yeah, that&#039;s a great idea. :-/

It&#039;s time for a revolution in Canada, as well as here. &#062;:-/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viva Frei has a lovely piece about Canadian Bill C-10.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Z6VSfVTeo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Z6VSfVTeo</a></p>
<p>Basically, they want to give the government complete control over content on the internet in Canada. And just rammed through a bill @ 2am in the morning to push it, trying to get their &#8220;other house&#8221; to pass it too before elections in the fall get them tossed out of office.</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s a great idea. :-/</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for a revolution in Canada, as well as here. &gt;:-/</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/23/open-thread-6-23-21/#comment-2561071</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 07:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is a truism that we often get more out of comment feeds than we do out of blog postings. It’s also a truism that this occurs on a longish timescale and requires much sifting through dross.&quot; - Zaphod

That is very true, if you take &quot;more&quot; as being &quot;in addition to&quot; rather than &quot;superior to&quot; - although I&#039;ve read some blog posts where the comments were indeed of higher quality than the blogger&#039;s thoughts.
Neo&#039;s Salon is the only one where I read everyone&#039;s comments all the time.  I dip into Powerline, According to Hoyt, J. E. Dyer, and others as the fancy takes me.
The timescale is important when reading long-established blogs, as the commenters form a reasonably stable community and you have to know their idiosyncrasies to recognize trolls and sarcasm.

Sometimes there are nuggets among the dross, and I bring them along over here to share if appropriate.

PS The comments on Powerline&#039;s The Week in Pictures and Ammo Grrrll regular features are particularly good seams for mining, if you like humorous (and serious) memes and personal stories.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is a truism that we often get more out of comment feeds than we do out of blog postings. It’s also a truism that this occurs on a longish timescale and requires much sifting through dross.&#8221; &#8211; Zaphod</p>
<p>That is very true, if you take &#8220;more&#8221; as being &#8220;in addition to&#8221; rather than &#8220;superior to&#8221; &#8211; although I&#8217;ve read some blog posts where the comments were indeed of higher quality than the blogger&#8217;s thoughts.<br />
Neo&#8217;s Salon is the only one where I read everyone&#8217;s comments all the time.  I dip into Powerline, According to Hoyt, J. E. Dyer, and others as the fancy takes me.<br />
The timescale is important when reading long-established blogs, as the commenters form a reasonably stable community and you have to know their idiosyncrasies to recognize trolls and sarcasm.</p>
<p>Sometimes there are nuggets among the dross, and I bring them along over here to share if appropriate.</p>
<p>PS The comments on Powerline&#8217;s The Week in Pictures and Ammo Grrrll regular features are particularly good seams for mining, if you like humorous (and serious) memes and personal stories.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/23/open-thread-6-23-21/#comment-2561070</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 07:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I hold that at the macro level, the system of Western Liberalism we inhabit more or less automatically throws up Antibodies and Gatekeepers to any dissident ideas which come along. Why? &lt;b&gt;Because the existing system rewards those people.&lt;/b&gt;&quot; - Zaphod

I pulled up an old Milton Friedman quote in the context of CRT and public choice theory, which I think is pertinent to your observation.

“I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. &lt;b&gt;The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.&lt;/b&gt; Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or it they try, they will shortly be out of office.” – Milton Friedman
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/738162-i-do-not-believe-that-the-solution-to-our-problem

My original comment is here, showing how the topics overlap:
https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/06/22/five-tenets-of-crt-and-what-they-mean/#comment-2561067

PS - thanks to you and huxley for the discussion; I don&#039;t remember ever having read the story about his friend - it was quite interesting and provided lots of material for pondering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hold that at the macro level, the system of Western Liberalism we inhabit more or less automatically throws up Antibodies and Gatekeepers to any dissident ideas which come along. Why? <b>Because the existing system rewards those people.</b>&#8221; &#8211; Zaphod</p>
<p>I pulled up an old Milton Friedman quote in the context of CRT and public choice theory, which I think is pertinent to your observation.</p>
<p>“I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. <b>The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.</b> Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or it they try, they will shortly be out of office.” – Milton Friedman<br />
<a href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/738162-i-do-not-believe-that-the-solution-to-our-problem" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/738162-i-do-not-believe-that-the-solution-to-our-problem</a></p>
<p>My original comment is here, showing how the topics overlap:<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/06/22/five-tenets-of-crt-and-what-they-mean/#comment-2561067" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/06/22/five-tenets-of-crt-and-what-they-mean/#comment-2561067</a></p>
<p>PS &#8211; thanks to you and huxley for the discussion; I don&#8217;t remember ever having read the story about his friend &#8211; it was quite interesting and provided lots of material for pondering.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 05:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

It&#039;s always a pleasure to debate with you.

To paraphrase, He Said a Lot of Other Things too. I always liked the one about Paternity being a Legal Fiction. That&#039;s almost Halachic in its wisdom.

Ironically I started out thinking I was Kinch and learned in middle age that I&#039;m rather more Bloom than Blade. So I can&#039;t quite wind myself up far enough to exterminate all of the brutes. It&#039;s a nightmare, alright! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always a pleasure to debate with you.</p>
<p>To paraphrase, He Said a Lot of Other Things too. I always liked the one about Paternity being a Legal Fiction. That&#8217;s almost Halachic in its wisdom.</p>
<p>Ironically I started out thinking I was Kinch and learned in middle age that I&#8217;m rather more Bloom than Blade. So I can&#8217;t quite wind myself up far enough to exterminate all of the brutes. It&#8217;s a nightmare, alright! 🙂</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 05:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

I&#039;m just an old hippie who maybe smoked too much dope or took too much acid then later had a born-again experience with Joan of Arc as the fuse.

I make no apologies nor claim any particular authority.

All of human history is problematic. 

A nightmare from which I am trying to awake. 

Someone said that. Or maybe I dreamed it late at night.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just an old hippie who maybe smoked too much dope or took too much acid then later had a born-again experience with Joan of Arc as the fuse.</p>
<p>I make no apologies nor claim any particular authority.</p>
<p>All of human history is problematic. </p>
<p>A nightmare from which I am trying to awake. </p>
<p>Someone said that. Or maybe I dreamed it late at night.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/23/open-thread-6-23-21/#comment-2561056</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

Hindu-Christianity .... Who would be the Spokesbugperson for that? Ben (heh) Kingsley and his Spinning Wheel? :P

https://www.life.com/people/gandhi-and-his-spinning-wheel-the-story-behind-an-iconic-photo/

And there&#039;s another little crooked hooked bit of Hindu Iconography is a bit Problematic.

I acknowledge your point about Incendiaries. But only Rajasthani Widows leap meekly onto the pyre others have prepared for them. I also acknowledge that the &quot;It&#039;s either Us or Them&quot; argument has a rather nasty logic all of its own. But History shows the way here.

StormFront is a bit much. I work on the theory that the most strident Hail Fellow White Men Let us Go Forth and Mightily Smite the Joos and then celebrate at Piggly Wiggly types are Feds and associated Honeypots. YMMV.

Counter-Currents, Z-Man, Frodi Midjord, Kevin MacDonald, V-Dare (Derbyshire and friends) are probably where the real &#039;danger&#039; lies as they&#039;re not out-and-out Fanatical Caricatures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>Hindu-Christianity &#8230;. Who would be the Spokesbugperson for that? Ben (heh) Kingsley and his Spinning Wheel? 😛</p>
<p><a href="https://www.life.com/people/gandhi-and-his-spinning-wheel-the-story-behind-an-iconic-photo/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.life.com/people/gandhi-and-his-spinning-wheel-the-story-behind-an-iconic-photo/</a></p>
<p>And there&#8217;s another little crooked hooked bit of Hindu Iconography is a bit Problematic.</p>
<p>I acknowledge your point about Incendiaries. But only Rajasthani Widows leap meekly onto the pyre others have prepared for them. I also acknowledge that the &#8220;It&#8217;s either Us or Them&#8221; argument has a rather nasty logic all of its own. But History shows the way here.</p>
<p>StormFront is a bit much. I work on the theory that the most strident Hail Fellow White Men Let us Go Forth and Mightily Smite the Joos and then celebrate at Piggly Wiggly types are Feds and associated Honeypots. YMMV.</p>
<p>Counter-Currents, Z-Man, Frodi Midjord, Kevin MacDonald, V-Dare (Derbyshire and friends) are probably where the real &#8216;danger&#8217; lies as they&#8217;re not out-and-out Fanatical Caricatures.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

So...Part 2.

I&#039;m a curious fellow. I wanted to understand my friend. I&#039;ve got the internet and I know how to use it, so I started reading white supremacy/neo-nazi sites like StormFront. My friend had cast a significant shadow in those circles and I learned more about him and his milieu.

There are still things I don&#039;t understand. But I did read enough to know that I can understand and sympathize with some of my friend&#039;s concerns and aims. Which doesn&#039;t mean that I agree with all of it or his strategy.

Things have turned anti-white. CRT being a great example. What we do about that is another issue. I&#039;d like to think it will slip into oblivion without my help, though that doesn&#039;t look likely.

I&#039;d like to think we get past racial identities by getting past them. That may be naive. I don&#039;t know what to do. Though I am also very circumspect about adding fuel to that fire.

My Hindu-Christian instincts are to keep preaching God and love and looking to the long run. You may see that as naive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>So&#8230;Part 2.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a curious fellow. I wanted to understand my friend. I&#8217;ve got the internet and I know how to use it, so I started reading white supremacy/neo-nazi sites like StormFront. My friend had cast a significant shadow in those circles and I learned more about him and his milieu.</p>
<p>There are still things I don&#8217;t understand. But I did read enough to know that I can understand and sympathize with some of my friend&#8217;s concerns and aims. Which doesn&#8217;t mean that I agree with all of it or his strategy.</p>
<p>Things have turned anti-white. CRT being a great example. What we do about that is another issue. I&#8217;d like to think it will slip into oblivion without my help, though that doesn&#8217;t look likely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think we get past racial identities by getting past them. That may be naive. I don&#8217;t know what to do. Though I am also very circumspect about adding fuel to that fire.</p>
<p>My Hindu-Christian instincts are to keep preaching God and love and looking to the long run. You may see that as naive.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/23/open-thread-6-23-21/#comment-2561050</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;was at lunch with some ppl and this chick got bored and was like, &quot;i wonder what&#039;s in the news&quot;, and picked up her phone and started scrolling and steering the conversation to what she&#039;d just read

the power to control what&#039;s in the news when ppl ask themselves, &quot;I wonder what&#039;s in the news&quot; is an incredible power to have

it&#039;s basically a form of mind control&quot;

https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/06/23/open-thread-6-23-21/#comment-2561049

An obvious point, but one which needs to be made more.

Now this &quot;John Rivers&quot; guys says about 100 deeply objectionable things every day on Gab. I think he&#039;s a bit much even for me. But if you&#039;ve been inoculated such that you shy away from Bad Nazi KKK Man on sight, you&#039;re going to miss out on the occasional gem he comes up with.

You may say what I have just posted from him is trite. Maybe. But please tell me the last time Rufo or Shapiro said what I just quoted. They didn&#039;t. And they won&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;was at lunch with some ppl and this chick got bored and was like, &#8220;i wonder what&#8217;s in the news&#8221;, and picked up her phone and started scrolling and steering the conversation to what she&#8217;d just read</p>
<p>the power to control what&#8217;s in the news when ppl ask themselves, &#8220;I wonder what&#8217;s in the news&#8221; is an incredible power to have</p>
<p>it&#8217;s basically a form of mind control&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/06/23/open-thread-6-23-21/#comment-2561049" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/06/23/open-thread-6-23-21/#comment-2561049</a></p>
<p>An obvious point, but one which needs to be made more.</p>
<p>Now this &#8220;John Rivers&#8221; guys says about 100 deeply objectionable things every day on Gab. I think he&#8217;s a bit much even for me. But if you&#8217;ve been inoculated such that you shy away from Bad Nazi KKK Man on sight, you&#8217;re going to miss out on the occasional gem he comes up with.</p>
<p>You may say what I have just posted from him is trite. Maybe. But please tell me the last time Rufo or Shapiro said what I just quoted. They didn&#8217;t. And they won&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:

And I didn&#039;t say you did say that. I have an unfortunate tendency to be a little undisciplined and allow stray thoughts to sprout in my stream of consciousness. But reading what I typed it could be construed that I am refuting something you claimed which you did not. Apologies if it came out that way. I just deeply loathe the SPLC and you just can&#039;t keep a good foaming at the mouth Deplorable down once an idea bubbles up into his head.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:</p>
<p>And I didn&#8217;t say you did say that. I have an unfortunate tendency to be a little undisciplined and allow stray thoughts to sprout in my stream of consciousness. But reading what I typed it could be construed that I am refuting something you claimed which you did not. Apologies if it came out that way. I just deeply loathe the SPLC and you just can&#8217;t keep a good foaming at the mouth Deplorable down once an idea bubbles up into his head.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 03:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;However it doesn’t mean that the SPLC is your friend.&lt;/i&gt;

Zaphod:

Slow down. I never, ever said that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However it doesn’t mean that the SPLC is your friend.</i></p>
<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>Slow down. I never, ever said that.</p>
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