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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 06:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glenn Greenwald, nearly alone among the pundits, says there is substance to the Revolver report, and dismisses the legalistic legerdemain as being an incomplete analysis.  He is referring to Left wingers (who he particularly despises for flip-flopping from &quot;Never trust the Agencies&quot; to &quot;how dare you question the Agencies!&quot;) - but it&#039;s the same substance as I raised about AP and SWC on the Right.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/questions-about-the-fbis-role-in
&lt;blockquote&gt;What accounts for this furious liberal #Resistance to questioning the FBI’s role in the January 6 riot and asking whether there are vital facts that are being concealed?&lt;b&gt; There was one minor analytical flaw in both the Revolver News article and Carlson segment that they seized on by pretending that it was central to the question rather than what it was: a completely ancillary distraction. &lt;/b&gt;
It is true that it is highly unlikely, probably close to impossible, that the FBI would refer to someone they were directing or collaborating with as an “unindicted co-conspirator” because, by definition, someone working at the behest of the FBI would not be a “conspirator” in a plot since they would lack the necessary intent to forward that plot (their intent, instead, is to tell the FBI what is being plotted). CNN hauled out some career federal prosecutor and current corporate lawyer, their “Senior Legal Analyst” Elie Honig, to spend five minutes pretending that this single-handedly destroys the case.

&lt;b&gt;But rather than some devastating theory-destroying point, this is ultimately irrelevant to the evidence marshaled by Revolver News. &lt;/b&gt;While it is true that “unindicted co-conspirator” almost certainly does not refer to FBI informants or operatives, the numerous references to Person-1, Person-2, etc. very well could [indeed, in the case of the FBI-directed plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer, CHS-1, CHS-2, etc. (confidential human source) is how the FBI informants driving that plot were referenced]. &lt;b&gt;These are common tactics that the FBI uses to reference the acts of their own unindicted informants without revealing their identity. And while some of the unnamed-but-referenced people in the charging documents are known (one is the spouse one of those charged), several are not.&lt;/b&gt;

The questions raised by the Revolver News reporting, which none of these smug FBI defenders and guardians of the liberal consensus can answer, remain:
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Nobody is claiming to know the answers to those questions, including Revolver News, Carlson, or anyone else. &lt;b&gt;Instead, they are doing the work of actual journalists — pointing out the gaping holes in the public record about what we do and do not know about an event that is being exploited to launch a new domestic War on Terror, prompt massive new police and security state spending, and empower and justify new domestic surveillance and censorship authorities.&lt;/b&gt; Anyone not asking these questions or, worse, trying to delegitmize them, is a propagandist and has no business calling themselves a journalist.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Asking questions is the only way you ever get any answers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald, nearly alone among the pundits, says there is substance to the Revolver report, and dismisses the legalistic legerdemain as being an incomplete analysis.  He is referring to Left wingers (who he particularly despises for flip-flopping from &#8220;Never trust the Agencies&#8221; to &#8220;how dare you question the Agencies!&#8221;) &#8211; but it&#8217;s the same substance as I raised about AP and SWC on the Right.</p>
<p><a href="https://greenwald.substack.com/p/questions-about-the-fbis-role-in" rel="nofollow ugc">https://greenwald.substack.com/p/questions-about-the-fbis-role-in</a></p>
<blockquote><p>What accounts for this furious liberal #Resistance to questioning the FBI’s role in the January 6 riot and asking whether there are vital facts that are being concealed?<b> There was one minor analytical flaw in both the Revolver News article and Carlson segment that they seized on by pretending that it was central to the question rather than what it was: a completely ancillary distraction. </b><br />
It is true that it is highly unlikely, probably close to impossible, that the FBI would refer to someone they were directing or collaborating with as an “unindicted co-conspirator” because, by definition, someone working at the behest of the FBI would not be a “conspirator” in a plot since they would lack the necessary intent to forward that plot (their intent, instead, is to tell the FBI what is being plotted). CNN hauled out some career federal prosecutor and current corporate lawyer, their “Senior Legal Analyst” Elie Honig, to spend five minutes pretending that this single-handedly destroys the case.</p>
<p><b>But rather than some devastating theory-destroying point, this is ultimately irrelevant to the evidence marshaled by Revolver News. </b>While it is true that “unindicted co-conspirator” almost certainly does not refer to FBI informants or operatives, the numerous references to Person-1, Person-2, etc. very well could [indeed, in the case of the FBI-directed plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer, CHS-1, CHS-2, etc. (confidential human source) is how the FBI informants driving that plot were referenced]. <b>These are common tactics that the FBI uses to reference the acts of their own unindicted informants without revealing their identity. And while some of the unnamed-but-referenced people in the charging documents are known (one is the spouse one of those charged), several are not.</b></p>
<p>The questions raised by the Revolver News reporting, which none of these smug FBI defenders and guardians of the liberal consensus can answer, remain:<br />
&#8230;<br />
Nobody is claiming to know the answers to those questions, including Revolver News, Carlson, or anyone else. <b>Instead, they are doing the work of actual journalists — pointing out the gaping holes in the public record about what we do and do not know about an event that is being exploited to launch a new domestic War on Terror, prompt massive new police and security state spending, and empower and justify new domestic surveillance and censorship authorities.</b> Anyone not asking these questions or, worse, trying to delegitmize them, is a propagandist and has no business calling themselves a journalist.
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<p>Asking questions is the only way you ever get any answers.</p>
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		By: zenman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 12:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only thing I can conclude, is that 1/6, and the reaction to it, was/is a clusterf@ck from a law enforcement, security and justice standpoint.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I can conclude, is that 1/6, and the reaction to it, was/is a clusterf@ck from a law enforcement, security and justice standpoint.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The holding of trespassers as revolutionaries is most concerning to me. Been keeping up with Julie Kelly’s articles, and was a final driver in a very long desire to read Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s trilogy Gulag Archipelago. The government is stating to repeat the Soviets.&quot; - skip

Stu Cvrk thinks so too, although his villain of choice is the Stasi, in this post.
https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/06/17/if-biden-wants-to-paint-trump-supporters-as-domestic-terrorists-ich-bin-ein-inlandischer-terroristischen-n397482?utm_source=piano&#038;utm_medium=onsite&#038;utm_campaign=-1

(His German may be a little rusty, but the idea comes across fine.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The holding of trespassers as revolutionaries is most concerning to me. Been keeping up with Julie Kelly’s articles, and was a final driver in a very long desire to read Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s trilogy Gulag Archipelago. The government is stating to repeat the Soviets.&#8221; &#8211; skip</p>
<p>Stu Cvrk thinks so too, although his villain of choice is the Stasi, in this post.<br />
<a href="https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/06/17/if-biden-wants-to-paint-trump-supporters-as-domestic-terrorists-ich-bin-ein-inlandischer-terroristischen-n397482?utm_source=piano&#038;utm_medium=onsite&#038;utm_campaign=-1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/06/17/if-biden-wants-to-paint-trump-supporters-as-domestic-terrorists-ich-bin-ein-inlandischer-terroristischen-n397482?utm_source=piano&#038;utm_medium=onsite&#038;utm_campaign=-1</a></p>
<p>(His German may be a little rusty, but the idea comes across fine.)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cap&#039;n - thanks for drawing attention to Sen. Johnson&#039;s letter; I missed the link in your first comment (although I do read Julie&#039;s posts avidly). 

&quot;Sounds like some persons were doing something suspicious.&quot;
Indeed.
Or at least &quot;looks like,&quot; as Johnson mentions several times that there is no audio.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap&#8217;n &#8211; thanks for drawing attention to Sen. Johnson&#8217;s letter; I missed the link in your first comment (although I do read Julie&#8217;s posts avidly). </p>
<p>&#8220;Sounds like some persons were doing something suspicious.&#8221;<br />
Indeed.<br />
Or at least &#8220;looks like,&#8221; as Johnson mentions several times that there is no audio.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to keep following the trail - this is from Shipwreckedcrew, who we have generally cited positively here at the Salon, but whereas I will pay more attention to him than to AP at HA (remember, we don&#039;t know who either one of them are in real life), I think he also gets caught up in the McCarthy Finger Trap: we also remember how hard it was for Andy to get his head around the idea that highly placed, experience, &quot;professional&quot; lawyers, some of them his friends, could commit the many illegalities (and irregularities where not illegal) in the Russiagate operations. He was only very reluctantly freed from the trap, and he forthwith stuck his fingers in again on Impeachment 2.0.

I don&#039;t think his several characterizations of the UCCs generate a Venn set that excludes FBI agents among them.

https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/06/17/about-that-revolver-story-claiming-fbi-agents-informants-are-the-unnamed-co-conspirators-in-jan-6-indictments-n398244

RTWT and decide. YMMV
He promises additional posts, and they shall be perused.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to keep following the trail &#8211; this is from Shipwreckedcrew, who we have generally cited positively here at the Salon, but whereas I will pay more attention to him than to AP at HA (remember, we don&#8217;t know who either one of them are in real life), I think he also gets caught up in the McCarthy Finger Trap: we also remember how hard it was for Andy to get his head around the idea that highly placed, experience, &#8220;professional&#8221; lawyers, some of them his friends, could commit the many illegalities (and irregularities where not illegal) in the Russiagate operations. He was only very reluctantly freed from the trap, and he forthwith stuck his fingers in again on Impeachment 2.0.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think his several characterizations of the UCCs generate a Venn set that excludes FBI agents among them.</p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/06/17/about-that-revolver-story-claiming-fbi-agents-informants-are-the-unnamed-co-conspirators-in-jan-6-indictments-n398244" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/06/17/about-that-revolver-story-claiming-fbi-agents-informants-are-the-unnamed-co-conspirators-in-jan-6-indictments-n398244</a></p>
<p>RTWT and decide. YMMV<br />
He promises additional posts, and they shall be perused.</p>
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		By: Jeanne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Awesome Neo Commentators . . . by my third cup of coffee this morning I came to my senses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Awesome Neo Commentators . . . by my third cup of coffee this morning I came to my senses.</p>
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		By: DanJ1		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2021 17:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spot on! I haven&#039;t delved into this aspect of the 1/6 protest, but I can comment on the Whitmer kidnapping plot. 

From the moment I heard the FBI report on the radio as it was happening, I said this is B-S. While I don&#039;t hang with these crackpots, being from Michigan I&#039;ve crossed paths with their kind. There was no way the Whitmer kidnapping was their idea.

First, they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. FBI agents infiltrated in the group are generally recruited from the highest ranks of the best colleges. The plot was way too complicated. It was almost, okay, it was meticulous in it&#039;s planning. These dudes can&#039;t count dollar bills high enough to buy a six pack of Bud Light. Somebody was the mastermind. It had to be the FBI.

Second, money, money, money. They live in their mom&#039;s trail home and can&#039;t hold a job because they play video games all night and don&#039;t wake up in time for work. Where did they get the money to buy any of the guns, tools, materials, vehicles, etc. to pull this off. Somebody was funding them. It had to be the FBI.

Third, resources and connections. These guys barely know where to find a fishing or hunting license. Their connections involve knowing a guy who can fix their septic field with a backhoe. Where could they have found the people and explosives necessary to pull this plan off? Somebody was putting them together with people who can. It had to be the FBI.

Bottom line - The Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI initiative almost from the start. Why is it too hard to believe that the FBI didn&#039;t do the same thing on 1/6?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on! I haven&#8217;t delved into this aspect of the 1/6 protest, but I can comment on the Whitmer kidnapping plot. </p>
<p>From the moment I heard the FBI report on the radio as it was happening, I said this is B-S. While I don&#8217;t hang with these crackpots, being from Michigan I&#8217;ve crossed paths with their kind. There was no way the Whitmer kidnapping was their idea.</p>
<p>First, they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. FBI agents infiltrated in the group are generally recruited from the highest ranks of the best colleges. The plot was way too complicated. It was almost, okay, it was meticulous in it&#8217;s planning. These dudes can&#8217;t count dollar bills high enough to buy a six pack of Bud Light. Somebody was the mastermind. It had to be the FBI.</p>
<p>Second, money, money, money. They live in their mom&#8217;s trail home and can&#8217;t hold a job because they play video games all night and don&#8217;t wake up in time for work. Where did they get the money to buy any of the guns, tools, materials, vehicles, etc. to pull this off. Somebody was funding them. It had to be the FBI.</p>
<p>Third, resources and connections. These guys barely know where to find a fishing or hunting license. Their connections involve knowing a guy who can fix their septic field with a backhoe. Where could they have found the people and explosives necessary to pull this plan off? Somebody was putting them together with people who can. It had to be the FBI.</p>
<p>Bottom line &#8211; The Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI initiative almost from the start. Why is it too hard to believe that the FBI didn&#8217;t do the same thing on 1/6?</p>
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		By: Cap'n Rusty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeanne:

  There are over 75 million of us. And though some would say I&#039;m naive, we have truth and justice on our side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanne:</p>
<p>  There are over 75 million of us. And though some would say I&#8217;m naive, we have truth and justice on our side.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2021 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo? 
Oh, you mean the parrot. Right.

All joking aside though, while there may be some legitimate concerns---given the politicization of EVERYTHING, of which the general canceling of humor across the board is symptomatic---I&#039;m fairly sure that those of us who post anonymously should be pretty safe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo?<br />
Oh, you mean the parrot. Right.</p>
<p>All joking aside though, while there may be some legitimate concerns&#8212;given the politicization of EVERYTHING, of which the general canceling of humor across the board is symptomatic&#8212;I&#8217;m fairly sure that those of us who post anonymously should be pretty safe.</p>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes Jeanne -  

Any day now Merrick Garland will announce: &quot;The greatest threat our country is facing comes from the people posting on Neo&#039;s site.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Jeanne &#8211;  </p>
<p>Any day now Merrick Garland will announce: &#8220;The greatest threat our country is facing comes from the people posting on Neo&#8217;s site.&#8221;</p>
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