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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559714</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“that sound” – A semi hollowbody Rickenbacker 12 string electric guitar.&lt;/i&gt;

Johann Amadeus Metesky:

From George Harrison to Roger McGuinn to Tom Petty. Here&#039;s a fun comparison of the Byrd&#039;s &quot;I&#039;d Feel a Whole Lot Better&#039; and Petty&#039;s cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xua_PilOPtU

Love those ringin&#039; Rickenbacker guitars!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“that sound” – A semi hollowbody Rickenbacker 12 string electric guitar.</i></p>
<p>Johann Amadeus Metesky:</p>
<p>From George Harrison to Roger McGuinn to Tom Petty. Here&#8217;s a fun comparison of the Byrd&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;d Feel a Whole Lot Better&#8217; and Petty&#8217;s cover:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xua_PilOPtU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xua_PilOPtU</a></p>
<p>Love those ringin&#8217; Rickenbacker guitars!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559701</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fixed.  Everything should be showing properly now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed.  Everything should be showing properly now.</p>
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		By: HumphreyP		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559700</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And it is not just comments from the 6/14 open thread that are here, but the video from 6/14 at the top. The 6/15 one is not.

Someone might not notice this after clicking “xx Replies”, since that takes you to the comments. It is apparent by scrolling up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it is not just comments from the 6/14 open thread that are here, but the video from 6/14 at the top. The 6/15 one is not.</p>
<p>Someone might not notice this after clicking “xx Replies”, since that takes you to the comments. It is apparent by scrolling up.</p>
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		By: mkent		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559696</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 6/14 open thread is not visible from the front page, but the 6/15 open thread is.  However, clicking on the 6/15 open thread comments from the front page takes one here, not the new open thread comments.  Clicking on the 6/15 open thread title takes one to a thread without comments.  FYI.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 6/14 open thread is not visible from the front page, but the 6/15 open thread is.  However, clicking on the 6/15 open thread comments from the front page takes one here, not the new open thread comments.  Clicking on the 6/15 open thread title takes one to a thread without comments.  FYI.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[T; Kate; Tommy Jay:

I saw it too, and I don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on.  The posts are still on the back end, plus the comments for them, just as before.  But they&#039;re not showing on the front page.  

I did a test post for today, and it posted.  So I&#039;ll see whether it&#039;s a continuing problem.  I&#039;ll also try to fix it, of course, and make the old posts show up again.  That could take some time.

I hate glitches like this. 

Another thing I noticed is that some of the comments that are showing on this thread are from one of the disappeared threads. I think the clue is in that fact.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T; Kate; Tommy Jay:</p>
<p>I saw it too, and I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on.  The posts are still on the back end, plus the comments for them, just as before.  But they&#8217;re not showing on the front page.  </p>
<p>I did a test post for today, and it posted.  So I&#8217;ll see whether it&#8217;s a continuing problem.  I&#8217;ll also try to fix it, of course, and make the old posts show up again.  That could take some time.</p>
<p>I hate glitches like this. </p>
<p>Another thing I noticed is that some of the comments that are showing on this thread are from one of the disappeared threads. I think the clue is in that fact.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559694</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whatever you call it, &quot;dysgenics&quot; or whatever, &quot;Idiocracy&quot; and other fiction of its type is just making the case that the &quot;idiots&quot; are MORE fit for the environment that favors their reproduction.

There&#039;s more than one way to measure, but any list of the most successful life forms would have to include beetles, who don&#039;t need intelligence for what they do. Neither do the eusocial insects; ants and termites are doing pretty well...

To say that something is &quot;dysgenic&quot; is to say that the environment is rewarding traits we don&#039;t like, i. e. what was better suited to a different environment and is thought to have got us to where we are today. In America we typically look to the Revolution, the frontier days or maybe the Depression and WWII, and we compare ourselves now to what we perceive we were then and say what a falling-off there was and project that into the future and call it &quot;dysgenic&quot;. 

The future may well belong to the ADHD-afflicted couch potatoes and their smartphones if we create an environment which favors them a la &quot;Idiocracy&quot; or &quot;Wall-E&quot;.  But it&#039;s not obvious that it&#039;s morally right to desire an environment that makes us smarter or tougher or more energetic (however you define), seek to avoid changing the environment in a &quot;dysgenic&quot; way, if the corollary is increased human misery.

Evolution &quot;improves&quot; only the fit of a species to its environment. A better fit may require more slowness and stupidity (consider the koala). The organisms that cause gas gangrene are the best at thriving while causing gas gangrene.

The Greatest Generation that survived depression and global war also enjoyed big cars and air conditioning.  They didn&#039;t seek to stay poor and at war just to sharpen themselves up.  Even the Spartans couldn&#039;t keep that up forever. The revealed preference of practically every human ever is toward more comfort and convenience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you call it, &#8220;dysgenics&#8221; or whatever, &#8220;Idiocracy&#8221; and other fiction of its type is just making the case that the &#8220;idiots&#8221; are MORE fit for the environment that favors their reproduction.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more than one way to measure, but any list of the most successful life forms would have to include beetles, who don&#8217;t need intelligence for what they do. Neither do the eusocial insects; ants and termites are doing pretty well&#8230;</p>
<p>To say that something is &#8220;dysgenic&#8221; is to say that the environment is rewarding traits we don&#8217;t like, i. e. what was better suited to a different environment and is thought to have got us to where we are today. In America we typically look to the Revolution, the frontier days or maybe the Depression and WWII, and we compare ourselves now to what we perceive we were then and say what a falling-off there was and project that into the future and call it &#8220;dysgenic&#8221;. </p>
<p>The future may well belong to the ADHD-afflicted couch potatoes and their smartphones if we create an environment which favors them a la &#8220;Idiocracy&#8221; or &#8220;Wall-E&#8221;.  But it&#8217;s not obvious that it&#8217;s morally right to desire an environment that makes us smarter or tougher or more energetic (however you define), seek to avoid changing the environment in a &#8220;dysgenic&#8221; way, if the corollary is increased human misery.</p>
<p>Evolution &#8220;improves&#8221; only the fit of a species to its environment. A better fit may require more slowness and stupidity (consider the koala). The organisms that cause gas gangrene are the best at thriving while causing gas gangrene.</p>
<p>The Greatest Generation that survived depression and global war also enjoyed big cars and air conditioning.  They didn&#8217;t seek to stay poor and at war just to sharpen themselves up.  Even the Spartans couldn&#8217;t keep that up forever. The revealed preference of practically every human ever is toward more comfort and convenience.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559691</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As to masks:  Most people here in NC are not wearing them any more, but there are a few holdouts.  I have talked to some of them.  Having been scared out of their minds by a virus they&#039;d probably survive, they&#039;re still terrified, even when vaccinated.  One lady, who does have health problems, is afraid of the variants she hears about.  And our dictatorial governor is still requiring children in school to wear masks, for no discernible reason, since the teachers have access to the vaccines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to masks:  Most people here in NC are not wearing them any more, but there are a few holdouts.  I have talked to some of them.  Having been scared out of their minds by a virus they&#8217;d probably survive, they&#8217;re still terrified, even when vaccinated.  One lady, who does have health problems, is afraid of the variants she hears about.  And our dictatorial governor is still requiring children in school to wear masks, for no discernible reason, since the teachers have access to the vaccines.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[T, same here.  On the main page, I see RIP to Carla Fracci, and then this post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T, same here.  On the main page, I see RIP to Carla Fracci, and then this post.</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of my sisters and her partner are visiting from CA. We live in Maine. Despite the fact that there is no longer a mask mandate anywhere here these two insist on wearing their masks anytime we are in public or in a store. I explained early on that they were unnecessary - many here are vaccinated and they are too - but they insist. They clearly are in fear of catching the virus still. I suspect they are gullible and trusting of government to the point that they cannot unbelieve that the virus is a major threat.

During one conversation they tried to rationalize away the lack of a full lockdown and the end of mask mandates here in Maine by noting the much lower population of Maine compared to CA. I tried to point out that similarly populous states like FL and TX did not do lockdowns and had voluntary mask programs and yet had lower case and death rates than shutdown and fully masked CA. To no avail.

Government and the media have scared the bejesus out of some people, I&#039;m not sure how long, or if, it will take for them to recover.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my sisters and her partner are visiting from CA. We live in Maine. Despite the fact that there is no longer a mask mandate anywhere here these two insist on wearing their masks anytime we are in public or in a store. I explained early on that they were unnecessary &#8211; many here are vaccinated and they are too &#8211; but they insist. They clearly are in fear of catching the virus still. I suspect they are gullible and trusting of government to the point that they cannot unbelieve that the virus is a major threat.</p>
<p>During one conversation they tried to rationalize away the lack of a full lockdown and the end of mask mandates here in Maine by noting the much lower population of Maine compared to CA. I tried to point out that similarly populous states like FL and TX did not do lockdowns and had voluntary mask programs and yet had lower case and death rates than shutdown and fully masked CA. To no avail.</p>
<p>Government and the media have scared the bejesus out of some people, I&#8217;m not sure how long, or if, it will take for them to recover.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/06/14/open-thread-6-14-21/#comment-2559684</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m seeing a scrambled site also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seeing a scrambled site also.</p>
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