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		By: JimNorCal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2021 03:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me quickly note (re: the Jan 6 political prisoners) that Dems/Progs are evil.
And also that Repubs are both willing and eager to throw us under the bus. They hated us when we were Tea Party. More than they hated Dems. More than they hated foreign enemies. That hasn&#039;t changed since we became Deplorables and then Neanderthals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me quickly note (re: the Jan 6 political prisoners) that Dems/Progs are evil.<br />
And also that Repubs are both willing and eager to throw us under the bus. They hated us when we were Tea Party. More than they hated Dems. More than they hated foreign enemies. That hasn&#8217;t changed since we became Deplorables and then Neanderthals.</p>
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		By: I am Spartacus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I am Spartacus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 19:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yawrate - check out Rescue Michigan.  The leader is based in Ann Arbor and his focus is on election reform.  I live in an affluent neighborhood and have a bunch of lefties around me.  They know my position but they don&#039;t hassle me because, one I am a helpful neighbor who lends tools to get the job done and two I don&#039;t back down and make them examine their assumptions which they don&#039;t like.

Example - I had a lady say &quot;Black Lives Matter&quot; and I quickly finished the sentence with &quot;including unborn ones right?&quot;  You could see her mind go &quot;tilt&quot; as that reframed the whole argument.  She babbled on and tried to deflect but I stayed on that point.  Later on she had a load of gravel delivered and I gave her my coal shovel and wheelbarrow to make the job easier.  

Change is a process and not a moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzsS0at3K6I&#038;ab_channel=AdamD]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawrate &#8211; check out Rescue Michigan.  The leader is based in Ann Arbor and his focus is on election reform.  I live in an affluent neighborhood and have a bunch of lefties around me.  They know my position but they don&#8217;t hassle me because, one I am a helpful neighbor who lends tools to get the job done and two I don&#8217;t back down and make them examine their assumptions which they don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Example &#8211; I had a lady say &#8220;Black Lives Matter&#8221; and I quickly finished the sentence with &#8220;including unborn ones right?&#8221;  You could see her mind go &#8220;tilt&#8221; as that reframed the whole argument.  She babbled on and tried to deflect but I stayed on that point.  Later on she had a load of gravel delivered and I gave her my coal shovel and wheelbarrow to make the job easier.  </p>
<p>Change is a process and not a moment.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzsS0at3K6I&#038;ab_channel=AdamD" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzsS0at3K6I&#038;ab_channel=AdamD</a></p>
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		By: I am Spartacus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/17/what-the-january-6th-surveillance-tapes-show/#comment-2555689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I am Spartacus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Today the judge dismissed the Michigan Antrim County machine case as moot.  I can tell you that this is not going over well.  People that were angry and determined are even more determined to effect change.  Nothing like a motivated voter base to effect change.  This isn&#039;t just Trump voters too.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/breaking-breaking-video-antrim-co-mi-judge-makes-stunning-decision-voter-fraud-case/

Then there is Frau Whitmer&#039;s flight.  Even Democrats are not happy about it.  But why is that trip being hyped?  Most pundits say it is being orchestrated by the Harris/Obama camp to drive her out of any presidential contention.  Boy are they ever deluded.  She is even more unlikeable that Harris.  

https://redstate.com/tladuke/2021/05/18/whitmer-reveals-how-much-was-paid-for-her-private-jet-trip-to-florida-and-it-was-not-much-n382297]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today the judge dismissed the Michigan Antrim County machine case as moot.  I can tell you that this is not going over well.  People that were angry and determined are even more determined to effect change.  Nothing like a motivated voter base to effect change.  This isn&#8217;t just Trump voters too.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/breaking-breaking-video-antrim-co-mi-judge-makes-stunning-decision-voter-fraud-case/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/breaking-breaking-video-antrim-co-mi-judge-makes-stunning-decision-voter-fraud-case/</a></p>
<p>Then there is Frau Whitmer&#8217;s flight.  Even Democrats are not happy about it.  But why is that trip being hyped?  Most pundits say it is being orchestrated by the Harris/Obama camp to drive her out of any presidential contention.  Boy are they ever deluded.  She is even more unlikeable that Harris.  </p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/tladuke/2021/05/18/whitmer-reveals-how-much-was-paid-for-her-private-jet-trip-to-florida-and-it-was-not-much-n382297" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/tladuke/2021/05/18/whitmer-reveals-how-much-was-paid-for-her-private-jet-trip-to-florida-and-it-was-not-much-n382297</a></p>
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		By: Yawrate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yawrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, it&#039;s too late - most people are incapable of change. The left and liberals have their trusted sources and they can&#039;t and won&#039;t hear anything different. I&#039;ve tried over and over to get liberals to listen to some other source like Prager or RealClear or allsides.com or the Fox News broadcast with Brett Baier but they won&#039;t do it. They&#039;ll only listen to leftist news sources. It&#039;s why they still say Trump is a racist (Charlottesville) even though it&#039;s been shown to be false.

Prager says conservatives have to show courage (now is the time!) and say they&#039;re conservative and draw their fire. He believes that you&#039;ll lose some friends but find common ground with new friends.

Good luck with that.

I make my opinion known sometimes but I live in the People&#039;s Republic of Ann Arbor and I certainly cannot wear my politics on my car bumper or lawn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s too late &#8211; most people are incapable of change. The left and liberals have their trusted sources and they can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t hear anything different. I&#8217;ve tried over and over to get liberals to listen to some other source like Prager or RealClear or allsides.com or the Fox News broadcast with Brett Baier but they won&#8217;t do it. They&#8217;ll only listen to leftist news sources. It&#8217;s why they still say Trump is a racist (Charlottesville) even though it&#8217;s been shown to be false.</p>
<p>Prager says conservatives have to show courage (now is the time!) and say they&#8217;re conservative and draw their fire. He believes that you&#8217;ll lose some friends but find common ground with new friends.</p>
<p>Good luck with that.</p>
<p>I make my opinion known sometimes but I live in the People&#8217;s Republic of Ann Arbor and I certainly cannot wear my politics on my car bumper or lawn.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;No cop gave permission to be attacked, and anyway, you can’t assent to assault.&lt;/i&gt;

LOLZ. Pretty sure people into B&#038;D would thoroughly disagree with this, but that is a side issue unrelated to the current discussion. :-P]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>No cop gave permission to be attacked, and anyway, you can’t assent to assault.</i></p>
<p>LOLZ. Pretty sure people into B&amp;D would thoroughly disagree with this, but that is a side issue unrelated to the current discussion. 😛</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 16:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For geoff b - in re fake bots being a Democrat specialty.

http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2019/01/the-biggest-democrat-expert-on-russian.html
&lt;blockquote&gt;Every time there was a story on Russian election interference, Morgan would show up on CNN or NBC. And his message was the same, the Russian bots were everywhere and they were a major threat.
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The New York Times, which frequently promoted and published New Knowledge conspiracy theories, all but credited DiResta for having exposed the whole Russian-Republican troll conspiracy, and wrote that, “Senate and House staff members, who knew of DiResta&#039;s expertise through her public reports and her previous work advising the Obama administration on disinformation campaigns, had reached out to her and others to help them prepare for the hearings.” They seemingly included Senator Warner’s office.

And it wasn’t just the 2016 election. Morgan, who made no secret of his loathing for conservatives, claimed that the Russian bots were everything and aiding Republicans.

When the #ReleasetheMemo hashtag went viral, Morgan, now running his own company, New Knowledge, was there suggesting it might be Russian bots. The debates about gun control after the Parkland school massacre? More Russian bots. The migrant caravan? Obviously a fake news conspiracy.
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&quot;Russians Meddling in the Midterms? Here’s the Data,&quot; Morgan and Ryan Fox, a New Knowledge employee, warned. “Our company is currently detecting more overall activity in real time from continuing Russian online influence operations targeting the midterm elections than has been disclosed by social media platforms or detected by researchers during the same period before the election in 2016.”

The Russians were even going all the way into Alabama. “Russian trolls tracked by #Hamilton68 are taking an interest in the AL Senate race. What a surprise,” Morgan tweeted.

&lt;b&gt;It wouldn’t have been much of a surprise to him because the “Russian trolls” supporting Roy Moore in Alabama were actually his trolls.&lt;/b&gt;

A New York Times story was forced to reveal that Morgan had participated in what a report described as, “an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet” thereby “radicalizing Democrats with a Russian bot scandal”

The goal was to “enrage and energize Democrats” and “depress turnout” among Republicans.

The bots used Cyrillic letters and pictures of celebrities. Just in case anyone still didn’t get the message, they included, “I love Russia” in their profiles. When the Moore campaign accused the Democrats of being behind the dirty trick, the Jones campaign doubled down on the Russia smear, declaring, &quot;Maybe Moore should check with Vladimir Putin, who shares his views on depriving people of their civil rights.&quot;

&lt;b&gt;But Moore had been telling the truth. It had been a Democrat operation. The media’s greatest expert on Russian trolling had not only falsely claimed that Russian trolls were backing Moore, he was involved.&lt;/b&gt;

Morgan, the New York Times and the Washington Post attempted to spin this as an experiment, but influencing an actual election is not an experiment. When Morgan’s people faked Russian bot support for a Republican candidate, and Morgan then helped spread the allegations, that’s not an experiment, it’s a dirty trick. And it raises serious questions about the Democrat’s entire Russian troll narrative.

&lt;b&gt;How can we know that an Alabama special election was the only time that Democrats tried to frame Republicans with false flag operations meant to portray them as traitors and tools of foreign interests?&lt;/b&gt;
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After the events since 2016, I think it is safe to assume that everything the Democrats do is a dirty trick, false flag, hoax, or frame-up.
When it&#039;s not just outright lying.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/hold-new-hampshire-election-audit?utm_medium=social_media&#038;utm_source=twitter_social_icon&#038;utm_campaign=social_icons#article
&quot;Election audit in small New Hampshire town could have implications for 2020 results statewide
In tiny Windham, a November hand recount in a state legislative race revealed vote count discrepancies up and down the ballot — all benefiting Democrats.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For geoff b &#8211; in re fake bots being a Democrat specialty.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2019/01/the-biggest-democrat-expert-on-russian.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2019/01/the-biggest-democrat-expert-on-russian.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Every time there was a story on Russian election interference, Morgan would show up on CNN or NBC. And his message was the same, the Russian bots were everywhere and they were a major threat.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The New York Times, which frequently promoted and published New Knowledge conspiracy theories, all but credited DiResta for having exposed the whole Russian-Republican troll conspiracy, and wrote that, “Senate and House staff members, who knew of DiResta&#8217;s expertise through her public reports and her previous work advising the Obama administration on disinformation campaigns, had reached out to her and others to help them prepare for the hearings.” They seemingly included Senator Warner’s office.</p>
<p>And it wasn’t just the 2016 election. Morgan, who made no secret of his loathing for conservatives, claimed that the Russian bots were everything and aiding Republicans.</p>
<p>When the #ReleasetheMemo hashtag went viral, Morgan, now running his own company, New Knowledge, was there suggesting it might be Russian bots. The debates about gun control after the Parkland school massacre? More Russian bots. The migrant caravan? Obviously a fake news conspiracy.<br />
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&#8220;Russians Meddling in the Midterms? Here’s the Data,&#8221; Morgan and Ryan Fox, a New Knowledge employee, warned. “Our company is currently detecting more overall activity in real time from continuing Russian online influence operations targeting the midterm elections than has been disclosed by social media platforms or detected by researchers during the same period before the election in 2016.”</p>
<p>The Russians were even going all the way into Alabama. “Russian trolls tracked by #Hamilton68 are taking an interest in the AL Senate race. What a surprise,” Morgan tweeted.</p>
<p><b>It wouldn’t have been much of a surprise to him because the “Russian trolls” supporting Roy Moore in Alabama were actually his trolls.</b></p>
<p>A New York Times story was forced to reveal that Morgan had participated in what a report described as, “an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet” thereby “radicalizing Democrats with a Russian bot scandal”</p>
<p>The goal was to “enrage and energize Democrats” and “depress turnout” among Republicans.</p>
<p>The bots used Cyrillic letters and pictures of celebrities. Just in case anyone still didn’t get the message, they included, “I love Russia” in their profiles. When the Moore campaign accused the Democrats of being behind the dirty trick, the Jones campaign doubled down on the Russia smear, declaring, &#8220;Maybe Moore should check with Vladimir Putin, who shares his views on depriving people of their civil rights.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>But Moore had been telling the truth. It had been a Democrat operation. The media’s greatest expert on Russian trolling had not only falsely claimed that Russian trolls were backing Moore, he was involved.</b></p>
<p>Morgan, the New York Times and the Washington Post attempted to spin this as an experiment, but influencing an actual election is not an experiment. When Morgan’s people faked Russian bot support for a Republican candidate, and Morgan then helped spread the allegations, that’s not an experiment, it’s a dirty trick. And it raises serious questions about the Democrat’s entire Russian troll narrative.</p>
<p><b>How can we know that an Alabama special election was the only time that Democrats tried to frame Republicans with false flag operations meant to portray them as traitors and tools of foreign interests?</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>After the events since 2016, I think it is safe to assume that everything the Democrats do is a dirty trick, false flag, hoax, or frame-up.<br />
When it&#8217;s not just outright lying.</p>
<p><a href="https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/hold-new-hampshire-election-audit?utm_medium=social_media&#038;utm_source=twitter_social_icon&#038;utm_campaign=social_icons#article" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/hold-new-hampshire-election-audit?utm_medium=social_media&#038;utm_source=twitter_social_icon&#038;utm_campaign=social_icons#article</a><br />
&#8220;Election audit in small New Hampshire town could have implications for 2020 results statewide<br />
In tiny Windham, a November hand recount in a state legislative race revealed vote count discrepancies up and down the ballot — all benefiting Democrats.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jeff+Brokaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“a little &lt;i&gt;bit&lt;/i&gt; hyperbole”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“a little <i>bit</i> hyperbole”</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff+Brokaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 16:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Several years ago Scott Adams told us that facts don’t matter — and while statements like that are always a little but hyperbole, his point has only become stronger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago Scott Adams told us that facts don’t matter — and while statements like that are always a little but hyperbole, his point has only become stronger.</p>
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		By: geoff+b		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geoff+b]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 13:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More than 9 years ago I discovered that the progressive-left was working on ways to automate comments on, at least, Twitter/Facebook/blogs. Hundreds of smartphones would be linked to a single computer setup that could blast variations of basic themes into comments and look as though hundreds-thousands of people were &quot;thinking,&quot; feeling along the same left lines. 

Just as our speech is violence and their violence is speech so too our actual people are declared in social media to be &#039;bots and their &#039;bots are allowed in and considered to be actual people. The idea is to make a small group appear to be the majority. The have always been Mensheviks who call themselves Bolsheviks and use that pretense to make others believe the lie to be truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than 9 years ago I discovered that the progressive-left was working on ways to automate comments on, at least, Twitter/Facebook/blogs. Hundreds of smartphones would be linked to a single computer setup that could blast variations of basic themes into comments and look as though hundreds-thousands of people were &#8220;thinking,&#8221; feeling along the same left lines. </p>
<p>Just as our speech is violence and their violence is speech so too our actual people are declared in social media to be &#8216;bots and their &#8216;bots are allowed in and considered to be actual people. The idea is to make a small group appear to be the majority. The have always been Mensheviks who call themselves Bolsheviks and use that pretense to make others believe the lie to be truth.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 11:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking at various sites;  the libs commenting on this HATE the folks who attended the rally.  HATE.  Nothing&#039;s too awful for them. No shortcut in due process is off the table.  
There&#039;s no discussing right, wrong, relative to antifa riots, cops being hurt in riots,....nothing.
If they have the slightest rationality, it looks to be a fear that Congress might have been induced to recheck the election.  
But mostly, it&#039;s unreasoning hate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at various sites;  the libs commenting on this HATE the folks who attended the rally.  HATE.  Nothing&#8217;s too awful for them. No shortcut in due process is off the table.<br />
There&#8217;s no discussing right, wrong, relative to antifa riots, cops being hurt in riots,&#8230;.nothing.<br />
If they have the slightest rationality, it looks to be a fear that Congress might have been induced to recheck the election.<br />
But mostly, it&#8217;s unreasoning hate.</p>
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