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		By: A CDC Neighbor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A CDC Neighbor]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The CDC is co-located with the Emory University campus, a bastion of liberal indoctrination in Atlanta. The surrounding community is home to thousands of CDC employees and beneficiaries and represents the typical liberal environment found in northeastern university towns. One can walk almost any lily-white residential street within several miles and find multiple 2-year old Stacey Abrams &quot;Won&quot; signs and Black Lives Matter posters in windows and yards. Folks will cross the street to avoid an unmasked walker. And you actually see double-masking! &quot;Coexist&quot; is a big theme. Is it any wonder that these same people weaponized the CDC to make sure President Trump was not re-elected? They&#039;re no different than the editorial board at the WaPo or the tyrants of Facebook.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CDC is co-located with the Emory University campus, a bastion of liberal indoctrination in Atlanta. The surrounding community is home to thousands of CDC employees and beneficiaries and represents the typical liberal environment found in northeastern university towns. One can walk almost any lily-white residential street within several miles and find multiple 2-year old Stacey Abrams &#8220;Won&#8221; signs and Black Lives Matter posters in windows and yards. Folks will cross the street to avoid an unmasked walker. And you actually see double-masking! &#8220;Coexist&#8221; is a big theme. Is it any wonder that these same people weaponized the CDC to make sure President Trump was not re-elected? They&#8217;re no different than the editorial board at the WaPo or the tyrants of Facebook.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 21:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;One thing I think it would be important to know is the age of the vaccine refuseniks at the CDC. Are they mostly young, like under 30 or under 40? If so, then they may have weighed the pros and cons for a person their age and have decided the risks of COVID for them are very small. Of course, refusing to have the shot doesn’t help speed up the herd immunity thing.&quot; - Neo

AesopSpouse made the same observation to me not long before I checked in on the thread here and saw Neo&#039;s comment. Great minds etc etc.
If we had reporters instead of Journalists, someone might have asked Fauci that question.
IIRC, many military folk are holding off precisely because they are in that demographic, which is much less likely to either get the virus or suffer seriously if they do, plus they are much more physically fit than the desk warriors which reduces their danger even more.
It&#039;s a rational risk assessment.
I don&#039;t think herd immunity factors in significantly if the crowd not vaccinated is highly likely to be either uninfected or asymptomatic, which means less likely to transmit. Same as with the theater of vaccinating children under 12.  They should only get the shots when older.

We can watch and see how many CDC staffers get sick, I suppose.
Statistics still work if you input the right numbers.

One picture is worth a thousand guffaws - Fauci and the infinite mask trick.
https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2021-05/229469_5_.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing I think it would be important to know is the age of the vaccine refuseniks at the CDC. Are they mostly young, like under 30 or under 40? If so, then they may have weighed the pros and cons for a person their age and have decided the risks of COVID for them are very small. Of course, refusing to have the shot doesn’t help speed up the herd immunity thing.&#8221; &#8211; Neo</p>
<p>AesopSpouse made the same observation to me not long before I checked in on the thread here and saw Neo&#8217;s comment. Great minds etc etc.<br />
If we had reporters instead of Journalists, someone might have asked Fauci that question.<br />
IIRC, many military folk are holding off precisely because they are in that demographic, which is much less likely to either get the virus or suffer seriously if they do, plus they are much more physically fit than the desk warriors which reduces their danger even more.<br />
It&#8217;s a rational risk assessment.<br />
I don&#8217;t think herd immunity factors in significantly if the crowd not vaccinated is highly likely to be either uninfected or asymptomatic, which means less likely to transmit. Same as with the theater of vaccinating children under 12.  They should only get the shots when older.</p>
<p>We can watch and see how many CDC staffers get sick, I suppose.<br />
Statistics still work if you input the right numbers.</p>
<p>One picture is worth a thousand guffaws &#8211; Fauci and the infinite mask trick.<br />
<a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2021-05/229469_5_.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2021-05/229469_5_.jpg</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 18:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One thing I think it would be important to know is the age of the vaccine refuseniks at the CDC. Are they mostly young, like under 30 or under 40?  If so, then they may have weighed the pros and cons for a person their age and have decided the risks of COVID for them are very small.  Of course, refusing to have the shot doesn&#039;t help speed up the herd immunity thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I think it would be important to know is the age of the vaccine refuseniks at the CDC. Are they mostly young, like under 30 or under 40?  If so, then they may have weighed the pros and cons for a person their age and have decided the risks of COVID for them are very small.  Of course, refusing to have the shot doesn&#8217;t help speed up the herd immunity thing.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 18:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rob Stephenson:

Because they don&#039;t know how long your immunity will last, and so the idea is that the shot will help and act as a sort of booster.  It is similar to what they tell me, as a person who has already had shingles, about getting the shingles shot. They recommend getting it anyway even though it is exceedingly rare to have shingles twice.  Of course, in the case of shingles, it&#039;s not contagious so the decision to have or not have the shot affects only the health of the person making the decision.

I think they also recommend COVID shots for those who have had it because some people who say they&#039;ve had it didn&#039;t really have it, they just had something with similar symptoms around the same time but were never tested. 

And of course I don&#039;t think they really want &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; of us to go back to normal life.  So that would include those who have had COVID and are fine now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Stephenson:</p>
<p>Because they don&#8217;t know how long your immunity will last, and so the idea is that the shot will help and act as a sort of booster.  It is similar to what they tell me, as a person who has already had shingles, about getting the shingles shot. They recommend getting it anyway even though it is exceedingly rare to have shingles twice.  Of course, in the case of shingles, it&#8217;s not contagious so the decision to have or not have the shot affects only the health of the person making the decision.</p>
<p>I think they also recommend COVID shots for those who have had it because some people who say they&#8217;ve had it didn&#8217;t really have it, they just had something with similar symptoms around the same time but were never tested. </p>
<p>And of course I don&#8217;t think they really want <i>any</i> of us to go back to normal life.  So that would include those who have had COVID and are fine now.</p>
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		By: Rob Stephenson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 18:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since I&#039;ve had Covid why, exactly, do I need the vaccine? There doesn&#039;t seem to be any guidelines one way or another in this regard. I&#039;m sure there are tens of millions of us. Are we immune? And if we are to what degree? Why can&#039;t I and others that have had Covid get about our lives like those who have received the vaccine?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;ve had Covid why, exactly, do I need the vaccine? There doesn&#8217;t seem to be any guidelines one way or another in this regard. I&#8217;m sure there are tens of millions of us. Are we immune? And if we are to what degree? Why can&#8217;t I and others that have had Covid get about our lives like those who have received the vaccine?</p>
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		By: jon baker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 17:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the earlier comments about many CDC employees not having had the vaccine. I would take that as a sign that many of the rank and file disagree with their own leadership. It is part of an ongoing pattern . You can see evidences of this in city governments, where the people at the top are at odds with other city employees such as the police, things that are happening in the military and probably what is going on in federal law enforcement such as the FBI.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the earlier comments about many CDC employees not having had the vaccine. I would take that as a sign that many of the rank and file disagree with their own leadership. It is part of an ongoing pattern . You can see evidences of this in city governments, where the people at the top are at odds with other city employees such as the police, things that are happening in the military and probably what is going on in federal law enforcement such as the FBI.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS They j ew from the trials of the vaccines in the forefront. The pre-ordered ines like Pfizer and Moderna. Only in August did the Europeans start ordering vaccines. The French/Swiss Sandoz? Sanifil? one turned out to be a dud, though.

They let industry over promise and they failed to spread their commitments around, unlike Trump and the newly freed from the EU, Great Britain. They badly managed matters and continue to persecute industry instead of treating modern science as their wondered friends in promoting national well-being and health care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS They j ew from the trials of the vaccines in the forefront. The pre-ordered ines like Pfizer and Moderna. Only in August did the Europeans start ordering vaccines. The French/Swiss Sandoz? Sanifil? one turned out to be a dud, though.</p>
<p>They let industry over promise and they failed to spread their commitments around, unlike Trump and the newly freed from the EU, Great Britain. They badly managed matters and continue to persecute industry instead of treating modern science as their wondered friends in promoting national well-being and health care.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 05:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over at marginalrevolution blog, MrRoboto made the definitive Covid19 year saga comment about the CDC and FDAs politicisation: last August they knew the vaccines were working from early clinical test data. 

Yet these fake, corrupt institutions kept everyone in the dark, killing 10,000 of Americans needlessly.

They could have announced that these were coming by December and tell states to prepare to distribute them by the 10s of millions.

They knew but didn’t. Why? Why were tens of thousands, maybe a hundred thousands not saved by such local health department preparedness? When it’s the CDCs essential job?

GET TRUMP OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE! Political messaging mattered much more to these evil tax payer dungeons of Hell than than, perhaps, enable Trump’s re-election. Ergo, no pre-election greatness for out great President was permitted to shine in him before Election Day. 

In getting a Trump Vaccination myself. He’s The a people’s hero to Americans.

Neo, you’re behind the curve in Evil Detection, here. Far behind. Unaccountable evil and wildly over compensated. 

Geoffrey Britain is absolutely correct to condemn the CDC: “They’re also complicit in mass murder.”
Everyone thought I’d could not be done, but through OWS is was done.

And Trump led it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at marginalrevolution blog, MrRoboto made the definitive Covid19 year saga comment about the CDC and FDAs politicisation: last August they knew the vaccines were working from early clinical test data. </p>
<p>Yet these fake, corrupt institutions kept everyone in the dark, killing 10,000 of Americans needlessly.</p>
<p>They could have announced that these were coming by December and tell states to prepare to distribute them by the 10s of millions.</p>
<p>They knew but didn’t. Why? Why were tens of thousands, maybe a hundred thousands not saved by such local health department preparedness? When it’s the CDCs essential job?</p>
<p>GET TRUMP OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE! Political messaging mattered much more to these evil tax payer dungeons of Hell than than, perhaps, enable Trump’s re-election. Ergo, no pre-election greatness for out great President was permitted to shine in him before Election Day. </p>
<p>In getting a Trump Vaccination myself. He’s The a people’s hero to Americans.</p>
<p>Neo, you’re behind the curve in Evil Detection, here. Far behind. Unaccountable evil and wildly over compensated. </p>
<p>Geoffrey Britain is absolutely correct to condemn the CDC: “They’re also complicit in mass murder.”<br />
Everyone thought I’d could not be done, but through OWS is was done.</p>
<p>And Trump led it.</p>
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		By: roy in nipomo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[roy in nipomo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My biggest problem with the vaccine (I had my second jab a couple of weeks ago) is that it has ruined my perfect excuse for being a misanthropic recluse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biggest problem with the vaccine (I had my second jab a couple of weeks ago) is that it has ruined my perfect excuse for being a misanthropic recluse.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 01:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone else who has had his illusions punctured. (/sarc jftr)
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/393831.php
&quot;NeverTrumpers, Cultural Liberals (But I Repeat Myself) Vow: You Can Have Our Masks When You Pry Them From Our Cold, Dead Faces!&quot;

AND
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/393826.php
&lt;blockquote&gt;May 14, 2021
Shocking: Fauci Admits That At Least 40%, and Maybe As High as 50%, of His Own Agency&#039;s Employees are Refusing to Get the Vaccine
A lot of government pressure -- and some rumors of actual legal coercion -- to get you to take the vaccine, while government employees, who could be ordered to get vaccinated as a condition of their employment, refuse and are permitted to refuse.

Fauci firs says &quot;a little bit over half&quot; of his agency is vaccinated, then says &quot;probably sixty percent.&quot;

Sixty percent is not &quot;a little bit&quot; over half.

I take the first as more likely to be truthful, and I take his edging that up to sixty percent as a dishonest attempt to cover up for his first more-truthful estimate, after he realized the implications of it.

Rachel Walensky of the CDC refused to even answer! So you know the CDC is just as unvaccinated, or even more so!

...
I was pro-vaccine until this.

These people are engaging in a public pressure campaign to get other people to take the vaccine while refusing to do so themselves?! There is only one reasonable conclusion to draw from this!

Walensky is merely &quot;encouraging&quot; her staffers at the CDC to get vaccinated, while proposing &quot;vaccine passports&quot; to mandate that the rest of us do?!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else who has had his illusions punctured. (/sarc jftr)<br />
<a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/393831.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ace.mu.nu/archives/393831.php</a><br />
&#8220;NeverTrumpers, Cultural Liberals (But I Repeat Myself) Vow: You Can Have Our Masks When You Pry Them From Our Cold, Dead Faces!&#8221;</p>
<p>AND<br />
<a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/393826.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ace.mu.nu/archives/393826.php</a></p>
<blockquote><p>May 14, 2021<br />
Shocking: Fauci Admits That At Least 40%, and Maybe As High as 50%, of His Own Agency&#8217;s Employees are Refusing to Get the Vaccine<br />
A lot of government pressure &#8212; and some rumors of actual legal coercion &#8212; to get you to take the vaccine, while government employees, who could be ordered to get vaccinated as a condition of their employment, refuse and are permitted to refuse.</p>
<p>Fauci firs says &#8220;a little bit over half&#8221; of his agency is vaccinated, then says &#8220;probably sixty percent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sixty percent is not &#8220;a little bit&#8221; over half.</p>
<p>I take the first as more likely to be truthful, and I take his edging that up to sixty percent as a dishonest attempt to cover up for his first more-truthful estimate, after he realized the implications of it.</p>
<p>Rachel Walensky of the CDC refused to even answer! So you know the CDC is just as unvaccinated, or even more so!</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
I was pro-vaccine until this.</p>
<p>These people are engaging in a public pressure campaign to get other people to take the vaccine while refusing to do so themselves?! There is only one reasonable conclusion to draw from this!</p>
<p>Walensky is merely &#8220;encouraging&#8221; her staffers at the CDC to get vaccinated, while proposing &#8220;vaccine passports&#8221; to mandate that the rest of us do?!
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