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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/12/unrest-and-violence-against-israel/#comment-2555671</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 17:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to update my comment because of new information.
&quot; first, shift title from the illegitimate holders to the original owners, who leave the tenants in place and assume the position of landlord now collecting rent. As occasion permits, allow occupancy to dwindle or encourage renters to move out without fanfare. When everyone is gone, take over completely, publicly or not.&quot; - Aesop

This plan to avoid conflict seemed so obvious to me, and yet there was not mention of it in the news, until I read Dov Fischer&#039;s post. (RTWT)

https://spectator.org/hamas-terror-israel/
&lt;blockquote&gt;The truth is that a property dispute in the Shimon HaTzaddik/Sheikh Jarrah community of eastern Jerusalem is not the cause of the present war. Jews there owned property since 1875. Their homes and land were stolen from them and their parents and grandparents in 1948, when Jordan’s armies, bent on “ethnic cleansing,” invaded and illegally drove them out. &lt;b&gt;Local Arab squatters moved in, but Jordan refused to recognize the illegal squatters as the land’s new owners.&lt;/b&gt; After 1967, when Israel liberated east Jerusalem and reunited the city, the ousted Jewish owners went to court with their documentation to reclaim their seized property. Israel’s courts, which not only are fair but even lean over backwards to favor Arabs in such disputes, repeatedly have held that the Jewish claims are documented and legally valid. &lt;b&gt;As the Jewish landowners were recognized legally, they did not try ousting anyone. Rather, the courts held they could charge rent to the squatters living in their homes, so they did.&lt;/b&gt;

Relatively recently, Arab squatters stopped paying rent, so the landlords went to court finally to evict. &lt;b&gt;This happens everywhere in the world when tenants stop paying rent and make clear they will not resume. &lt;/b&gt;The verdict on the matter, which has been argued and decided on by Israel’s highest court, was set for announcement on May 10th. That is the whole dispute. This property dispute over Arab Muslims not paying their rent has nothing to do with Hamas launching their current war of more than 2,000 murderous Iranian-supplied rockets aimed indiscriminately at Jewish population centers. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to update my comment because of new information.<br />
&#8221; first, shift title from the illegitimate holders to the original owners, who leave the tenants in place and assume the position of landlord now collecting rent. As occasion permits, allow occupancy to dwindle or encourage renters to move out without fanfare. When everyone is gone, take over completely, publicly or not.&#8221; &#8211; Aesop</p>
<p>This plan to avoid conflict seemed so obvious to me, and yet there was not mention of it in the news, until I read Dov Fischer&#8217;s post. (RTWT)</p>
<p><a href="https://spectator.org/hamas-terror-israel/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://spectator.org/hamas-terror-israel/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The truth is that a property dispute in the Shimon HaTzaddik/Sheikh Jarrah community of eastern Jerusalem is not the cause of the present war. Jews there owned property since 1875. Their homes and land were stolen from them and their parents and grandparents in 1948, when Jordan’s armies, bent on “ethnic cleansing,” invaded and illegally drove them out. <b>Local Arab squatters moved in, but Jordan refused to recognize the illegal squatters as the land’s new owners.</b> After 1967, when Israel liberated east Jerusalem and reunited the city, the ousted Jewish owners went to court with their documentation to reclaim their seized property. Israel’s courts, which not only are fair but even lean over backwards to favor Arabs in such disputes, repeatedly have held that the Jewish claims are documented and legally valid. <b>As the Jewish landowners were recognized legally, they did not try ousting anyone. Rather, the courts held they could charge rent to the squatters living in their homes, so they did.</b></p>
<p>Relatively recently, Arab squatters stopped paying rent, so the landlords went to court finally to evict. <b>This happens everywhere in the world when tenants stop paying rent and make clear they will not resume. </b>The verdict on the matter, which has been argued and decided on by Israel’s highest court, was set for announcement on May 10th. That is the whole dispute. This property dispute over Arab Muslims not paying their rent has nothing to do with Hamas launching their current war of more than 2,000 murderous Iranian-supplied rockets aimed indiscriminately at Jewish population centers.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/12/unrest-and-violence-against-israel/#comment-2555262</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 22:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;“There’s the eviction case pursued by a settler organization against several Palestinian families living on property taken from Jewish families in 1948 in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, near the tomb of Simon the Righteous, and later reclaimed through Israel’s legal system—which offers no parallel means for Palestinians to reclaim their own property in West Jerusalem from before 1948. ”
I knew about this case but not that Palestinians have no way to reclaim property. Seems unjust – and injustice is the most common excuse for violence.&quot; - Tom Grey

First, we don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; there is no parallel means for individuals with some kind of evidence of their claim (the Palestinian call for a blanket &quot;right to return&quot; is not equivalent). I would need to see a reputable citation for that assertion.

Second, &quot;excuse&quot; is the operative word. Violence to &quot;redress injustice&quot; is what we have seen in the BLM/Antifa riots and the Chauvin kangaroo court. 
A lot of innocent people will never get &quot;justice&quot; for their losses, injuries, or deaths, from those.

Third, tactically, the Israeli Jews made a mistake in going for a big eviction after winning their case. Hindsight being 20/20 (and foresight presumably warning that the Arabs will take any excuse for violence), a piecemeal implementation of their ownership rights might have served better (this recommendation from someone knowing nothing of any underlying situational feasibility or constraints, of course).
That is: first, shift title from the illegitimate holders to the original owners, who leave the tenants in place and assume the position of landlord now collecting rent. As occasion permits, allow occupancy to dwindle or encourage renters to move out without fanfare.  When everyone is gone, take over completely, publicly or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“There’s the eviction case pursued by a settler organization against several Palestinian families living on property taken from Jewish families in 1948 in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, near the tomb of Simon the Righteous, and later reclaimed through Israel’s legal system—which offers no parallel means for Palestinians to reclaim their own property in West Jerusalem from before 1948. ”<br />
I knew about this case but not that Palestinians have no way to reclaim property. Seems unjust – and injustice is the most common excuse for violence.&#8221; &#8211; Tom Grey</p>
<p>First, we don&#8217;t <em>know</em> there is no parallel means for individuals with some kind of evidence of their claim (the Palestinian call for a blanket &#8220;right to return&#8221; is not equivalent). I would need to see a reputable citation for that assertion.</p>
<p>Second, &#8220;excuse&#8221; is the operative word. Violence to &#8220;redress injustice&#8221; is what we have seen in the BLM/Antifa riots and the Chauvin kangaroo court.<br />
A lot of innocent people will never get &#8220;justice&#8221; for their losses, injuries, or deaths, from those.</p>
<p>Third, tactically, the Israeli Jews made a mistake in going for a big eviction after winning their case. Hindsight being 20/20 (and foresight presumably warning that the Arabs will take any excuse for violence), a piecemeal implementation of their ownership rights might have served better (this recommendation from someone knowing nothing of any underlying situational feasibility or constraints, of course).<br />
That is: first, shift title from the illegitimate holders to the original owners, who leave the tenants in place and assume the position of landlord now collecting rent. As occasion permits, allow occupancy to dwindle or encourage renters to move out without fanfare.  When everyone is gone, take over completely, publicly or not.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/12/unrest-and-violence-against-israel/#comment-2555210</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 14:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, fine Tablet article.  With good &quot;both sides are right that the other side has some injustice&quot; kind of feels:

&quot;There’s the eviction case pursued by a settler organization against several Palestinian families living on property taken from Jewish families in 1948 in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, near the tomb of Simon the Righteous, and later reclaimed through Israel’s legal system—which offers no parallel means for Palestinians to reclaim their own property in West Jerusalem from before 1948. &quot;

I knew about this case but not that Palestinians have no way to reclaim property.  Seems unjust - and injustice is the most common excuse for violence.

The reality of war is massive violence, and not-really cancelling out injustices, and then some kind of peace.  Accepting injustice always feels bad.  Winning wars always includes injustices.  Losing wars often means losing your life; survivors feel bad UNTIL they accept their loss.

I fantasize about, but fully expect to NOT see, Israelis hunting those Hamas leaders and fighters unwilling to accept peace with Israel; unwilling to accept that Muslims lost.  

Part of the fantasy is that most Gaza fighters should be taken prisoner and do solar panel installations along the roads thru the Negev desert (S &#038; inland of Gaza).  I fear that killing them is the only way to stop them from hating Israel, but is too immoral and itself an injustice.  Imprisoning them and forcing their labor due to their support for rocket launches against civilians might  be the least bad situation after this session of killing stops.

When Iran gets a nuke, I suspect it actually will be used.  On Tel-Aviv, not Jerusalem.  Or on the Israeli nuclear power station.  Hell on earth.  Possibly coming in my lifetime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, fine Tablet article.  With good &#8220;both sides are right that the other side has some injustice&#8221; kind of feels:</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s the eviction case pursued by a settler organization against several Palestinian families living on property taken from Jewish families in 1948 in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, near the tomb of Simon the Righteous, and later reclaimed through Israel’s legal system—which offers no parallel means for Palestinians to reclaim their own property in West Jerusalem from before 1948. &#8221;</p>
<p>I knew about this case but not that Palestinians have no way to reclaim property.  Seems unjust &#8211; and injustice is the most common excuse for violence.</p>
<p>The reality of war is massive violence, and not-really cancelling out injustices, and then some kind of peace.  Accepting injustice always feels bad.  Winning wars always includes injustices.  Losing wars often means losing your life; survivors feel bad UNTIL they accept their loss.</p>
<p>I fantasize about, but fully expect to NOT see, Israelis hunting those Hamas leaders and fighters unwilling to accept peace with Israel; unwilling to accept that Muslims lost.  </p>
<p>Part of the fantasy is that most Gaza fighters should be taken prisoner and do solar panel installations along the roads thru the Negev desert (S &amp; inland of Gaza).  I fear that killing them is the only way to stop them from hating Israel, but is too immoral and itself an injustice.  Imprisoning them and forcing their labor due to their support for rocket launches against civilians might  be the least bad situation after this session of killing stops.</p>
<p>When Iran gets a nuke, I suspect it actually will be used.  On Tel-Aviv, not Jerusalem.  Or on the Israeli nuclear power station.  Hell on earth.  Possibly coming in my lifetime.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 07:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everyone should read the article in Tablet that Barry linked to.  It is long but worthwhile.  And very chilling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should read the article in Tablet that Barry linked to.  It is long but worthwhile.  And very chilling.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/12/unrest-and-violence-against-israel/#comment-2555178</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 06:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And this isn&#039;t far behind. 

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-continues-rollback-of-trump-policies-like-peace-in-the-middle-east
&quot;Psaki said the administration’s new Middle East policy calls for as much violence as it takes to completely eradicate the peace brought about by Donald Trump. “The people of this region lost many good years of violence and bloodshed,” Psaki noted. “We’re going to make that up to them, even if it takes decades of war to do so.”

A reporter asked if peace in the Middle East was actually a good thing no matter which president brought it about, but Psaki rejected that notion outright. “Let’s not lose sight of the most important factor here, which is orange man bad,” she said.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this isn&#8217;t far behind. </p>
<p><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-continues-rollback-of-trump-policies-like-peace-in-the-middle-east" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-continues-rollback-of-trump-policies-like-peace-in-the-middle-east</a><br />
&#8220;Psaki said the administration’s new Middle East policy calls for as much violence as it takes to completely eradicate the peace brought about by Donald Trump. “The people of this region lost many good years of violence and bloodshed,” Psaki noted. “We’re going to make that up to them, even if it takes decades of war to do so.”</p>
<p>A reporter asked if peace in the Middle East was actually a good thing no matter which president brought it about, but Psaki rejected that notion outright. “Let’s not lose sight of the most important factor here, which is orange man bad,” she said.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/12/unrest-and-violence-against-israel/#comment-2555177</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This actually nails the problem very precisely.
https://babylonbee.com/news/tensions-rise-in-middle-east-as-one-side-wants-to-kill-jews-and-the-other-side-are-jews-who-dont-want-to-die-and-neither-will-compromise]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This actually nails the problem very precisely.<br />
<a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/tensions-rise-in-middle-east-as-one-side-wants-to-kill-jews-and-the-other-side-are-jews-who-dont-want-to-die-and-neither-will-compromise" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/tensions-rise-in-middle-east-as-one-side-wants-to-kill-jews-and-the-other-side-are-jews-who-dont-want-to-die-and-neither-will-compromise</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/12/unrest-and-violence-against-israel/#comment-2555160</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 04:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good post on the Israeli situation.
Some of the IDF Tweets were ones I had not seen elsewhere, including the map showing where the Gazan missiles had landed (or would have if not shot down) and the graphic explaining why they targeted a large multi-story building - because (big surprise) it was full of Hamas military organs.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/trump_tells_the_truth_about_biden_the_democrats_and_israel.html

I&#039;m rather surprised Twitter hasn&#039;t permanently suspended the IDF for promoting violence, hate speech, and misinformation -- since they clearly are NOT parroting the Leftists&#039;s narrative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post on the Israeli situation.<br />
Some of the IDF Tweets were ones I had not seen elsewhere, including the map showing where the Gazan missiles had landed (or would have if not shot down) and the graphic explaining why they targeted a large multi-story building &#8211; because (big surprise) it was full of Hamas military organs.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/trump_tells_the_truth_about_biden_the_democrats_and_israel.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/trump_tells_the_truth_about_biden_the_democrats_and_israel.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m rather surprised Twitter hasn&#8217;t permanently suspended the IDF for promoting violence, hate speech, and misinformation &#8212; since they clearly are NOT parroting the Leftists&#8217;s narrative.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 03:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan:

&quot;Zaphod – it’s perhaps analogous to the incidence of non-conservatives who are nonetheless strong 2A supporters.&quot;

All three of them? :D Libertarians don&#039;t count... fundamentally unserious clown people are irrelevant in a political war to the knife.

IMHO not a good analogy. Plenty of self-proclaimed &#039;Conservatives&#039; having nothing to say on morality or immigration or preservation of full domestic employment (to pick three topics you might think would be of interest to actual, you know, Conservatives) but plenty to say about their support for America&#039;s Greatest Ally (tm) plus Russians Bad, Iranians Bad, Syrian Alawites Bad (= Sunni Fanatics Good.. the mind boggles).. etc... etc.

Note that I am a fervent supporter of Israel&#039;s right to exist as a Jewish Homeland, so let&#039;s not get distracted here. I was pointing out that Bari Weiss has plenty of company. To be fair, at least Bari Weiss has a vested interest in Israeli security.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan:</p>
<p>&#8220;Zaphod – it’s perhaps analogous to the incidence of non-conservatives who are nonetheless strong 2A supporters.&#8221;</p>
<p>All three of them? 😀 Libertarians don&#8217;t count&#8230; fundamentally unserious clown people are irrelevant in a political war to the knife.</p>
<p>IMHO not a good analogy. Plenty of self-proclaimed &#8216;Conservatives&#8217; having nothing to say on morality or immigration or preservation of full domestic employment (to pick three topics you might think would be of interest to actual, you know, Conservatives) but plenty to say about their support for America&#8217;s Greatest Ally &#8482; plus Russians Bad, Iranians Bad, Syrian Alawites Bad (= Sunni Fanatics Good.. the mind boggles).. etc&#8230; etc.</p>
<p>Note that I am a fervent supporter of Israel&#8217;s right to exist as a Jewish Homeland, so let&#8217;s not get distracted here. I was pointing out that Bari Weiss has plenty of company. To be fair, at least Bari Weiss has a vested interest in Israeli security.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 03:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod - it&#039;s perhaps analogous to the incidence of non-conservatives who are nonetheless strong 2A supporters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod &#8211; it&#8217;s perhaps analogous to the incidence of non-conservatives who are nonetheless strong 2A supporters.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 02:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;X is not a conservative by any Looonng stretch of the Imagination, but s/he is a supporter of Israel.&quot;

This would describe a great many so-called &#039;Conservatives&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;X is not a conservative by any Looonng stretch of the Imagination, but s/he is a supporter of Israel.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would describe a great many so-called &#8216;Conservatives&#8217;.</p>
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