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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/06/on-the-covid-vaccine-and-beyond/#comment-2554467</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Earl&#039;s claims might be buried somewhere in one of these stories from the top of the Search stack, but I haven&#039;t assessed them all yet.
I sometimes feel sympathy with the Misinformation Protection Brigade; I just don&#039;t think they are the ones who should be entrusted with the mission - or that anyone should be, in fact.
Buck up, skippy, and clean your own room.

However, it might be worth looking into further, although it&#039;s too late for those of us that are already vaxxed.
&quot;We will all go together when we go....&quot; - TL

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf
&lt;blockquote&gt;December 2020 
EVIDENCE SUMMARY
There are no specific guidelines for use of messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines or contraindications to mRNA vaccines.
No large trials of any mRNA vaccine have been completed yet.
The only evidence on safety of mRNA vaccines comes from small phase I and phase II trials of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, with
follow-up typically less than two months.
Systemic adverse events such as fatigue, muscle aches, headache, and chills are common.
Severe systemic adverse events were reported by 5 to 10 percent of trial subjects.
Localized adverse events such as pain at the injection side are common.
Both systemic and local adverse events usually are resolved within one or two days.
The rate and severity of adverse events appears to be higher for the second dose of vaccine than for the first.
Higher vaccine doses appear to increase the rate and severity of adverse events.
Larger trials of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are in progress, with results expected in mid-2021.
There is not sufficient evidence to support any conclusions on the comparative safety of different mRNA vaccines.
Direct evidence on the comparative safety of mRNA vaccines and other vaccines is lacking.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A draft is not a final conclusion; they may have thrown in every possible consequence so as to look at what doesn&#039;t actually happen. It&#039;s a LOOONNNG list.
https://sandrarose.com/2020/12/fda-releases-list-of-mrna-vaccine-side-effects/
&lt;blockquote&gt;The terrifying list looks like something out of a horror movie script. The scariest side effect (other than death) is disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC).

In my 30+ years as a registered nurse I&#039;ve only witnessed two patients suffering from DIC. Both patients died within hours.
The following is a draft of possible adverse reactions to the mRNA vaccine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

These two are working in sync, which doesn&#039;t mean they are wrong, nor that the scary posts necessarily are.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9792931264
&lt;blockquote&gt;Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials
By BEATRICE DUPUY November 25, 2020
CLAIM: The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNAs vaccines that skipped animal trials because using mRNA vaccines on animals triggers dangerous inflammation.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials when testing their COVID-19 vaccines. 

THE FACTS: As the race to authorize the use of COVID-19 vaccines continues, posts online are spreading misinformation about vaccine trials.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A22UW
&lt;blockquote&gt;FEBRUARY 2, 20212:19 PM  UPDATED 3 MONTHS AGO
Fact check: A 2012 study did not use mRNA vaccines or result in animals dying from disease
By Reuters Staff
A video which uses a research paper to argue that mRNA vaccines will make people fatally weakened to other diseases makes untrue claims about the study, according to the paper’s lead author.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This may be the video we are being warned against. 
https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/professor-of-molecular-genetics-issues-chilling-warning-on-covid-mrna-vaccines/
&lt;blockquote&gt;Posted by Kane on April 24, 2021 9:25 am
Latent Deaths Predicted Among The Elderly After Immunization With mRNA Vaccine
Dr. Dolores Cahill, professor of molecular genetics, School of Medicine at University College Dublin, and chairwoman of Irish Freedom Party,&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl&#8217;s claims might be buried somewhere in one of these stories from the top of the Search stack, but I haven&#8217;t assessed them all yet.<br />
I sometimes feel sympathy with the Misinformation Protection Brigade; I just don&#8217;t think they are the ones who should be entrusted with the mission &#8211; or that anyone should be, in fact.<br />
Buck up, skippy, and clean your own room.</p>
<p>However, it might be worth looking into further, although it&#8217;s too late for those of us that are already vaxxed.<br />
&#8220;We will all go together when we go&#8230;.&#8221; &#8211; TL</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf</a></p>
<blockquote><p>December 2020<br />
EVIDENCE SUMMARY<br />
There are no specific guidelines for use of messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines or contraindications to mRNA vaccines.<br />
No large trials of any mRNA vaccine have been completed yet.<br />
The only evidence on safety of mRNA vaccines comes from small phase I and phase II trials of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, with<br />
follow-up typically less than two months.<br />
Systemic adverse events such as fatigue, muscle aches, headache, and chills are common.<br />
Severe systemic adverse events were reported by 5 to 10 percent of trial subjects.<br />
Localized adverse events such as pain at the injection side are common.<br />
Both systemic and local adverse events usually are resolved within one or two days.<br />
The rate and severity of adverse events appears to be higher for the second dose of vaccine than for the first.<br />
Higher vaccine doses appear to increase the rate and severity of adverse events.<br />
Larger trials of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are in progress, with results expected in mid-2021.<br />
There is not sufficient evidence to support any conclusions on the comparative safety of different mRNA vaccines.<br />
Direct evidence on the comparative safety of mRNA vaccines and other vaccines is lacking.
</p></blockquote>
<p>A draft is not a final conclusion; they may have thrown in every possible consequence so as to look at what doesn&#8217;t actually happen. It&#8217;s a LOOONNNG list.<br />
<a href="https://sandrarose.com/2020/12/fda-releases-list-of-mrna-vaccine-side-effects/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://sandrarose.com/2020/12/fda-releases-list-of-mrna-vaccine-side-effects/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The terrifying list looks like something out of a horror movie script. The scariest side effect (other than death) is disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC).</p>
<p>In my 30+ years as a registered nurse I&#8217;ve only witnessed two patients suffering from DIC. Both patients died within hours.<br />
The following is a draft of possible adverse reactions to the mRNA vaccine.</p></blockquote>
<p>These two are working in sync, which doesn&#8217;t mean they are wrong, nor that the scary posts necessarily are.<br />
<a href="https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9792931264" rel="nofollow ugc">https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9792931264</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials<br />
By BEATRICE DUPUY November 25, 2020<br />
CLAIM: The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNAs vaccines that skipped animal trials because using mRNA vaccines on animals triggers dangerous inflammation.</p>
<p>AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials when testing their COVID-19 vaccines. </p>
<p>THE FACTS: As the race to authorize the use of COVID-19 vaccines continues, posts online are spreading misinformation about vaccine trials.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A22UW" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A22UW</a></p>
<blockquote><p>FEBRUARY 2, 20212:19 PM  UPDATED 3 MONTHS AGO<br />
Fact check: A 2012 study did not use mRNA vaccines or result in animals dying from disease<br />
By Reuters Staff<br />
A video which uses a research paper to argue that mRNA vaccines will make people fatally weakened to other diseases makes untrue claims about the study, according to the paper’s lead author.</p></blockquote>
<p>This may be the video we are being warned against.<br />
<a href="https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/professor-of-molecular-genetics-issues-chilling-warning-on-covid-mrna-vaccines/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/professor-of-molecular-genetics-issues-chilling-warning-on-covid-mrna-vaccines/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Posted by Kane on April 24, 2021 9:25 am<br />
Latent Deaths Predicted Among The Elderly After Immunization With mRNA Vaccine<br />
Dr. Dolores Cahill, professor of molecular genetics, School of Medicine at University College Dublin, and chairwoman of Irish Freedom Party,</p></blockquote>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/06/on-the-covid-vaccine-and-beyond/#comment-2554466</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2021 05:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan, Cicero:

&quot;Yep, one sheet of plywood is now $49 and lumber yards are being profit-squeezed because they cannot fully pass these high costs on to builders&quot;

That&#039;s because Man of the People, Ben Shapiro on the occasion of making the first visit in his life to a place frequented by actual Dirt People spotted an opportunity to corner the lumber market:

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ben-shapiro-home-depot-wood-video/

I&#039;ve gotta say he doesn&#039;t look totally simpatico with that item of semi-processed bio-cellulose matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan, Cicero:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yep, one sheet of plywood is now $49 and lumber yards are being profit-squeezed because they cannot fully pass these high costs on to builders&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because Man of the People, Ben Shapiro on the occasion of making the first visit in his life to a place frequented by actual Dirt People spotted an opportunity to corner the lumber market:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ben-shapiro-home-depot-wood-video/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ben-shapiro-home-depot-wood-video/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotta say he doesn&#8217;t look totally simpatico with that item of semi-processed bio-cellulose matter.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/06/on-the-covid-vaccine-and-beyond/#comment-2554465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2021 05:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I met an architect yesterday who told me the cost of home-building materials like lumber and plywood had gone up 500 to 1000% because of COVID shutdowns of production sites, and pent-up demand. Yep, one sheet of plywood is now $49 and lumber yards are being profit-squeezed because they cannot fully pass these high costs on to builders.&quot; - Cicero

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.33-PM.png?w=956&#038;ssl=1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I met an architect yesterday who told me the cost of home-building materials like lumber and plywood had gone up 500 to 1000% because of COVID shutdowns of production sites, and pent-up demand. Yep, one sheet of plywood is now $49 and lumber yards are being profit-squeezed because they cannot fully pass these high costs on to builders.&#8221; &#8211; Cicero</p>
<p><a href="https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.33-PM.png?w=956&#038;ssl=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.33-PM.png?w=956&#038;ssl=1</a></p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2021 11:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nobel Prize for the Trump Vax! Greatest 21st C scientific accomplishment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobel Prize for the Trump Vax! Greatest 21st C scientific accomplishment.</p>
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		By: Earl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/06/on-the-covid-vaccine-and-beyond/#comment-2554239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Earl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2021 01:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read (I have no personal knowledge of any of this) that the reason mRNA &quot;vaccines&quot; came on so quickly was that they have been experimenting with this type of &quot;vaccines&quot; for a decade or two.  The problem has been that during animal trials, the side effects have been so extreme in a significant fraction of the &quot;vaccinated&quot;, that they could not get permission to move to human trials.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read (I have no personal knowledge of any of this) that the reason mRNA &#8220;vaccines&#8221; came on so quickly was that they have been experimenting with this type of &#8220;vaccines&#8221; for a decade or two.  The problem has been that during animal trials, the side effects have been so extreme in a significant fraction of the &#8220;vaccinated&#8221;, that they could not get permission to move to human trials.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/06/on-the-covid-vaccine-and-beyond/#comment-2554165</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 16:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tommy Jay:
&quot;I&#039;m from the government and I&#039;m here to help&quot; is 95% BS, dating back probably to the FDR era (i.e. almost 100 years ago).
&#062;&#062;&#062;&#062;&#062;&#062;&#062;&#062;
&quot; You wrote, &quot;I don’t know how certain the medical community is, but the AstraZeneca vaccine severe side effect is now called VITT, or Vaccine-induced Immunity Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia which causes both clotting and low platelet bleeds.&quot; 
And that the Danish government in its infinite wisdom has determined that the therapeutic ratio of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine is unfavorable in women aged 18 to X (ca. 30).

VITT remains extremely rare, even at the likely falsely high incidence of 10 cases per million.  But it is now associated with a vaccine as its cause (by government edict?). In the pre-COVID era, thrombotic thrombocytopenia was a very rare and deadly disease with &quot;triggers&quot; in some cases like lupus, but unknown causes in many. Incidence is 10 per million. Sound similar? Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Let me remind you the Sabin oral polio vaccine caused clinical paralytic polio in 3 per million doses. Polio threatened all comers, but especially the young. My brother caught it at age 18 months and has never been able tor run, only hobble on his shorter leg. But everyone scrambled for the Sabin vaccine,  which government in its more sane, less tyrannical days did not prevent.

In contrast, COVID is a minuscule trivial threat to the young  (despite teachers&#039; unions refusal to teach in vivo), which &quot;young&quot; includes adults in middle age.

I met an architect yesterday who told me the cost of home-building materials like lumber and plywood had gone up 500 to 1000% because of COVID shutdowns of production sites, and pent-up demand.  Yep, one sheet of plywood is now $49 and lumber yards are being profit-squeezed because they cannot fully pass these high costs on to builders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy Jay:<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m from the government and I&#8217;m here to help&#8221; is 95% BS, dating back probably to the FDR era (i.e. almost 100 years ago).<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&#8221; You wrote, &#8220;I don’t know how certain the medical community is, but the AstraZeneca vaccine severe side effect is now called VITT, or Vaccine-induced Immunity Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia which causes both clotting and low platelet bleeds.&#8221;<br />
And that the Danish government in its infinite wisdom has determined that the therapeutic ratio of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine is unfavorable in women aged 18 to X (ca. 30).</p>
<p>VITT remains extremely rare, even at the likely falsely high incidence of 10 cases per million.  But it is now associated with a vaccine as its cause (by government edict?). In the pre-COVID era, thrombotic thrombocytopenia was a very rare and deadly disease with &#8220;triggers&#8221; in some cases like lupus, but unknown causes in many. Incidence is 10 per million. Sound similar? Put that in your pipe and smoke it!</p>
<p>Let me remind you the Sabin oral polio vaccine caused clinical paralytic polio in 3 per million doses. Polio threatened all comers, but especially the young. My brother caught it at age 18 months and has never been able tor run, only hobble on his shorter leg. But everyone scrambled for the Sabin vaccine,  which government in its more sane, less tyrannical days did not prevent.</p>
<p>In contrast, COVID is a minuscule trivial threat to the young  (despite teachers&#8217; unions refusal to teach in vivo), which &#8220;young&#8221; includes adults in middle age.</p>
<p>I met an architect yesterday who told me the cost of home-building materials like lumber and plywood had gone up 500 to 1000% because of COVID shutdowns of production sites, and pent-up demand.  Yep, one sheet of plywood is now $49 and lumber yards are being profit-squeezed because they cannot fully pass these high costs on to builders.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 14:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ditto


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHVElYZ1ZY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHVElYZ1ZY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHVElYZ1ZY</a></p>
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		By: Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/05/06/on-the-covid-vaccine-and-beyond/#comment-2554144</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 12:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll make you a deal.  IF, a year from now we are still in lock-down mode AND people are legitimately becoming &quot;sick&quot; (not just testing positive) AND if longer range studies have established no significant adverse side effects, I&#039;ll consider taking a non-mRNA vaccine.  Consider it, not actually take it unless things are dire. Meanwhile, I&#039;ll continue to eat properly, supplement with C, D, zinc, astragalus and echinacea and exercise strenuously daily.  I am 71 years old and this regimen has kept me and my 72 year old wife free of infectious diseases of every sort, despite exposure to numerous positive diagnosed individuals in the family, along with hospital visits for unrelated issues.  I also traveled by air for a ski vacation with my grandsons, where we were undoubtedly exposed, but none of us got sick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll make you a deal.  IF, a year from now we are still in lock-down mode AND people are legitimately becoming &#8220;sick&#8221; (not just testing positive) AND if longer range studies have established no significant adverse side effects, I&#8217;ll consider taking a non-mRNA vaccine.  Consider it, not actually take it unless things are dire. Meanwhile, I&#8217;ll continue to eat properly, supplement with C, D, zinc, astragalus and echinacea and exercise strenuously daily.  I am 71 years old and this regimen has kept me and my 72 year old wife free of infectious diseases of every sort, despite exposure to numerous positive diagnosed individuals in the family, along with hospital visits for unrelated issues.  I also traveled by air for a ski vacation with my grandsons, where we were undoubtedly exposed, but none of us got sick.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 12:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So can anyone tell me if Biden and the WTO can actually cancel the Pfizer and Modena vaccine patents?  Sounds illegal, or I hope it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So can anyone tell me if Biden and the WTO can actually cancel the Pfizer and Modena vaccine patents?  Sounds illegal, or I hope it is.</p>
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		By: Art+Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 12:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Chads and Karens are just useful idiots.&lt;/i&gt;

We have a shirt-tail relative who has been a complete kook for the better part of a year. He was in a rage after it was decided that public schoolteachers in his district would be expected to return to work.   His 16 year old daughter visits us seven months ago and I have to explain to her that she is in no danger of death from this ailment, something her father&#039;s daily rants have obscured from her.  

That having been said, neither one of them were retailing horror film plots in comboxes, something people have been doing in at least two places I frequent.  There are addled-pated people on all sides of every question.  

What gets me is the nonsense emanating from public health officialdom, Drs. Fauci and Szilagyi in particular.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Chads and Karens are just useful idiots.</i></p>
<p>We have a shirt-tail relative who has been a complete kook for the better part of a year. He was in a rage after it was decided that public schoolteachers in his district would be expected to return to work.   His 16 year old daughter visits us seven months ago and I have to explain to her that she is in no danger of death from this ailment, something her father&#8217;s daily rants have obscured from her.  </p>
<p>That having been said, neither one of them were retailing horror film plots in comboxes, something people have been doing in at least two places I frequent.  There are addled-pated people on all sides of every question.  </p>
<p>What gets me is the nonsense emanating from public health officialdom, Drs. Fauci and Szilagyi in particular.</p>
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