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		By: LeClerc		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/22/further-thoughts-on-the-chauvin-trial-and-verdict/#comment-2551927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeClerc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2021 10:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scott Johnson faded into the shade as a spectator at the trial.

His critique of Eric Nelson is utterly worthless.

Scott should stick to listening to his Tom Rush records and pining for the days of the hootenanny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Johnson faded into the shade as a spectator at the trial.</p>
<p>His critique of Eric Nelson is utterly worthless.</p>
<p>Scott should stick to listening to his Tom Rush records and pining for the days of the hootenanny.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/22/further-thoughts-on-the-chauvin-trial-and-verdict/#comment-2551913</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2021 05:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are we still allowed to read Ann Coulter?

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2021/04/21/thanks-jurors-youre-safe-now-we-arent-n2588347

&lt;blockquote&gt;The other big change coming down the pike is that we are headed back to the 1960s in terms of crime. Already, 2020 marked the largest year-to-year increase in murders in the history of the country. In Minneapolis alone, the murder rate doubled. Get ready for a lot more violent crime, emboldened criminals and less aggressive police.

To the unwitting citizens of Minnesota who will soon have their lives snuffed out, just remember: The jurors were worried about their own personal security. It was your life or theirs, and they decided the better part of valor was to sacrifice yours.

Their motto: I regret that I have only dozens of other people&#039;s lives to give for my virtue.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we still allowed to read Ann Coulter?</p>
<p><a href="https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2021/04/21/thanks-jurors-youre-safe-now-we-arent-n2588347" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2021/04/21/thanks-jurors-youre-safe-now-we-arent-n2588347</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The other big change coming down the pike is that we are headed back to the 1960s in terms of crime. Already, 2020 marked the largest year-to-year increase in murders in the history of the country. In Minneapolis alone, the murder rate doubled. Get ready for a lot more violent crime, emboldened criminals and less aggressive police.</p>
<p>To the unwitting citizens of Minnesota who will soon have their lives snuffed out, just remember: The jurors were worried about their own personal security. It was your life or theirs, and they decided the better part of valor was to sacrifice yours.</p>
<p>Their motto: I regret that I have only dozens of other people&#8217;s lives to give for my virtue.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2021 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is a good post on how the prosecution was allowed to make a travesty of the trial, beginning with something I haven&#039;t seen elsewhere about the failure of the non-sequestration of the jurors (which is to me inexplicable; they locked my Dad in the courthouse for 3 days for a penny-ante small-town felony trial in the sixties).
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2021/04/22/the-derek-chauvin-trial-was-a-travesty-prosecutors-violated-rules-that-protect-us-all-n2588370
&lt;blockquote&gt;People focus on Congresswoman Maxine Waters’ calls for an anti-police crowd in Minneapolis “to get more confrontational” when violent riots were already taking place may have intimidated witnesses. And if the jurors heard of her comments, that would be concerning, and as Judge Cahill noted, could lead to a mistrial. But Cahill didn’t make the obvious response.&lt;b&gt; He should have quizzed the jurors to see if they had heard anything and replaced those that had with alternates who hadn’t. That is common practice. Yet, no action was taken, making one wonder if Cahill thought that there was a chance that he would have to remove more jurors than there were alternates. &lt;/b&gt;

But there is a long list of other serious concerns that haven’t gotten news attention that should have resulted in a mistrial. Let’s go through a few of the abuses by prosecutors.
....
It is impossible to get in Judge Cahill’s mind and figure out why he let the prosecutors act the way they did. The bottom line is that these rules exist for a reason, and violating them made it so that Chauvin didn’t get a fair trial. That is something that should concern everyone.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s a shameful list.
All of the armchair lawyers pontificating about what Nelson messed up should be glad they weren&#039;t the ones sitting in his chair.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good post on how the prosecution was allowed to make a travesty of the trial, beginning with something I haven&#8217;t seen elsewhere about the failure of the non-sequestration of the jurors (which is to me inexplicable; they locked my Dad in the courthouse for 3 days for a penny-ante small-town felony trial in the sixties).<br />
<a href="https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2021/04/22/the-derek-chauvin-trial-was-a-travesty-prosecutors-violated-rules-that-protect-us-all-n2588370" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2021/04/22/the-derek-chauvin-trial-was-a-travesty-prosecutors-violated-rules-that-protect-us-all-n2588370</a></p>
<blockquote><p>People focus on Congresswoman Maxine Waters’ calls for an anti-police crowd in Minneapolis “to get more confrontational” when violent riots were already taking place may have intimidated witnesses. And if the jurors heard of her comments, that would be concerning, and as Judge Cahill noted, could lead to a mistrial. But Cahill didn’t make the obvious response.<b> He should have quizzed the jurors to see if they had heard anything and replaced those that had with alternates who hadn’t. That is common practice. Yet, no action was taken, making one wonder if Cahill thought that there was a chance that he would have to remove more jurors than there were alternates. </b></p>
<p>But there is a long list of other serious concerns that haven’t gotten news attention that should have resulted in a mistrial. Let’s go through a few of the abuses by prosecutors.<br />
&#8230;.<br />
It is impossible to get in Judge Cahill’s mind and figure out why he let the prosecutors act the way they did. The bottom line is that these rules exist for a reason, and violating them made it so that Chauvin didn’t get a fair trial. That is something that should concern everyone.
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<p>It&#8217;s a shameful list.<br />
All of the armchair lawyers pontificating about what Nelson messed up should be glad they weren&#8217;t the ones sitting in his chair.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2021 03:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Welcome to Jim Snow...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Jim Snow&#8230;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2021 03:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another Mike:

It&#039;s not about whether CPR would actually have helped.  It&#039;s about how it would have appeared that they were trying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Mike:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about whether CPR would actually have helped.  It&#8217;s about how it would have appeared that they were trying.</p>
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		By: Another Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2021 01:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No doubt the lack of immediate CPR played into the verdict. But would Chauvin or the other officers know just when Floyd stopped breathing?

And the fentanyl..  one witness said it caused death by restricting the transfer of oxygen from the lungs to the blood stream, and thus a lowering of available oxygen until the organism scummed. What good would it do to perform CPR -- artificially moving air into the lungs and artificially causing circulation -- when the oxygen in the air taken in was chemically blocked from entering the blood, blocked from getting to the various tissues that required it.  CPR would not have helped because the lack of oxygenation of the body was not due, initially, to lack of respiration or circulation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt the lack of immediate CPR played into the verdict. But would Chauvin or the other officers know just when Floyd stopped breathing?</p>
<p>And the fentanyl..  one witness said it caused death by restricting the transfer of oxygen from the lungs to the blood stream, and thus a lowering of available oxygen until the organism scummed. What good would it do to perform CPR &#8212; artificially moving air into the lungs and artificially causing circulation &#8212; when the oxygen in the air taken in was chemically blocked from entering the blood, blocked from getting to the various tissues that required it.  CPR would not have helped because the lack of oxygenation of the body was not due, initially, to lack of respiration or circulation.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George Parry, posting at the American Spectator, says the case was lost the moment the judge denied a change of venue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Parry, posting at the American Spectator, says the case was lost the moment the judge denied a change of venue.</p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/22/further-thoughts-on-the-chauvin-trial-and-verdict/#comment-2551859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I did watch a large part of the trial.  I thought Nelson did as well as he could being it was basically him alone.  I strongly suspect that the witnesses he called were the only ones that would agree to testify for the defense.  If I &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; in Nelson&#039;s shoes, I would have tried to &lt;i&gt;recall&lt;/i&gt; some of the state&#039;s own witnesses as my experts.  One of the things I learned from Branca&#039;s work on this trial is that the cross-examination is limited in Minnesota by what is brought up by direct examination done by the prosecution.  By recalling the state&#039;s own experts in the defense, I would think that Nelson would then have leave ask them questions the prosecution refused to open a window on.

But Neo is right- you could have had F. Lee Bailey, Perry Mason, and Clarence Darrow doing the defense and it wouldn&#039;t have made any difference at all.   This jury had made up its mind before they were even selected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did watch a large part of the trial.  I thought Nelson did as well as he could being it was basically him alone.  I strongly suspect that the witnesses he called were the only ones that would agree to testify for the defense.  If I <i>were</i> in Nelson&#8217;s shoes, I would have tried to <i>recall</i> some of the state&#8217;s own witnesses as my experts.  One of the things I learned from Branca&#8217;s work on this trial is that the cross-examination is limited in Minnesota by what is brought up by direct examination done by the prosecution.  By recalling the state&#8217;s own experts in the defense, I would think that Nelson would then have leave ask them questions the prosecution refused to open a window on.</p>
<p>But Neo is right- you could have had F. Lee Bailey, Perry Mason, and Clarence Darrow doing the defense and it wouldn&#8217;t have made any difference at all.   This jury had made up its mind before they were even selected.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JanMN, 

Yeah we do know. Chauvin&#039;s knee was apparently at the junction of Floyd&#039;s back and neck. The medical examiner reported no damage to Floyd trachea, not even bruising to his neck. Floyd repeatedly complained of an inability to breathe before he was even on the ground.

Floyd died of a massive drug overdose. Period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JanMN, </p>
<p>Yeah we do know. Chauvin&#8217;s knee was apparently at the junction of Floyd&#8217;s back and neck. The medical examiner reported no damage to Floyd trachea, not even bruising to his neck. Floyd repeatedly complained of an inability to breathe before he was even on the ground.</p>
<p>Floyd died of a massive drug overdose. Period.</p>
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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2021 21:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What effect did the mask wearing have? Was the jury able to focus on the evidence rather than the physical appearance of everyone? If I was on trial I would take comfort in wearing a mask, knowing that any inadvertent smirk, frown or smile wouldn’t have a chance of being misinterpreted. On the other hand, it’s easier to convict someone who’s behind a mask by masked jurors. Is it harder for attorneys to read the jurors, to insure that they’ve understood a particular point?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What effect did the mask wearing have? Was the jury able to focus on the evidence rather than the physical appearance of everyone? If I was on trial I would take comfort in wearing a mask, knowing that any inadvertent smirk, frown or smile wouldn’t have a chance of being misinterpreted. On the other hand, it’s easier to convict someone who’s behind a mask by masked jurors. Is it harder for attorneys to read the jurors, to insure that they’ve understood a particular point?</p>
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