Comments on: The Indianapolis shooter had previous FBI contact due to mental health related issues and threats https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/ A blog about political change, among other things Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:27:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Texan99 https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2551209 Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:27:40 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2551209 Neo, thanks, looks like I was popping off about a correlation I’d noticed but never tried to investigate rigorously.

]]> By: Richard Aubrey https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2551140 Sun, 18 Apr 2021 23:24:28 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2551140 Is Rosenhan still a thing?

]]> By: AppleBetty https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2551072 Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:48:48 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2551072 Mike+K wrote above, “My brother-in-law is a retired Chicago cop … He answered, ‘Yeah, I have thought of it.’ … and went to the looney bin floor.”
(Sigh.)
A Chicago cop, disabled by a stroke, getting chemo for cancer. His answer IS sanity.

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And, speaking of the funny farm … Poof. You wake up, and you’re surrounded by crazy people. (Yourself included, but that’s another joke.) How can you tell if it’s a mental hospital or a meditation retreat? At a retreat, the fire exits generally aren’t labeled “elopement risk.”
You’re welcome.

]]> By: geoff+b https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2550938 Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:58:58 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2550938 She worked at this from the early 70s to 1983 after she got her 2nd Masters. She taught Jr. high English and history during most of my life after I was considered old enough to be at home alone, 8 or so, caring for my younger brother after school until she got home, dad worked 2nd shift and was gone before we got out of school.

The institution was mainly for those whose mental age was below 12 and most were mentally very young children. I was mainly commenting on how, at least then, the rights of those that had been involuntarily institutionalized were handled. A yearly hearing with counsel in front of a judge.

]]> By: neo https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2550933 Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:25:54 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2550933 Texan99:

The correlation is actually not strong at all. It’s unsupported. I wrote a post on that a while back. You can find it here.

]]> By: neo https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2550932 Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:19:39 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2550932 geoff b:

Byt 1985, the bulk of de-institutionalization had already happened, as far as I know.

]]> By: geoff+b https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2550926 Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:13:03 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2550926 “But as you say, that “solution” has its own huge problems. In addition to the huge problems with the restrictions of the liberty of people who have committed no crime,”

The last job my mother, who passed away in 1985, had was working for the State of Michigan at one of the mental institutions. Each person committed there had to have a hearing each year before a judge to determine if they should remain institutionalized. The State had to provide for a lawyer to argue the case for releasing them. My mother’s job was to prepare the case for keeping them in the institution. I don’t know if those yearly hearings are still the case but it seemed a reasonable way to have some protection of the rights of those institutionalized.

]]> By: Mike+K https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2550925 Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:00:26 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2550925 I don’t want to get into details, but I know many families where things quickly spiraled into a long journey of battling hospital staff to get their children back depending on how their kids have answered that question.

It’s not just kids. My brother-in-law is a retired Chicago cop with bladder cancer. He had a stroke about 20 years ago that disabled him. He was in the hospital for a chemo treatment and some nurse asked that question of him. He answered, “Yeah, I have thought of it.” Instantly he was in custody of psych techs and went to the looney bin floor. My sister had a hell of a time getting him out. More than one day.

]]> By: Rufus T. Firefly https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2550923 Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:52:35 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2550923 For those of you who do not have young children, there was a change shortly after the Affordable Care Act was passed when we noticed our children’s Pediatricians asking for time alone with our children when they had a doctor’s visit. My wife and I thought nothing of it, but, naturally, on the drive home our kids would tell us what the Doctors were asking. One of the questions is; “have you ever had thoughts of suicide or self harm?”

I don’t want to get into details, but I know many families where things quickly spiraled into a long journey of battling hospital staff to get their children back depending on how their kids have answered that question.

]]> By: Kate https://thenewneo.com/2021/04/16/the-indianapolis-shooter-had-previous-fbi-contact-due-to-mental-health-related-issues-and-threats/#comment-2550920 Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:21:13 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=106401#comment-2550920 Yes, TommyJay, a brony. His Facebook page was taken down at police request. The WSJ reports:

A post timestamped 10:19 p.m., less than an hour before the shooting, featured an image of the cartoon pony named Applejack. “I hope that I can be with Applejack in the afterlife, my life has no meaning without her,” the post said. “If there’s no afterlife and she isn’t real then my life never mattered anyway.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/multiple-people-shot-at-fedex-facility-in-indianapolis-11618551906?mod=hp_lead_pos6

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