Cambodia under Pol Pot, CCP under Mao, Japan during the 1930s-1945 in China, Korea, …. Turks and Armenia. And then there are the Hutus in Rawanda, and Idi Amin in Uganda. But I would say that having infrastructure and ideology does help with the body count if genocide and slaughter is a feature not a bug (Europe), or just superior weapons and willing helpers (King Leopold and the Congo).

But BLM and the other racists have a story and they will stick to it.

Rufus: Cascade – Atlanta, GA, Lake Arbor, Maryland, Hillcrest, NY, Friendly, MD, Ladera Heights, CA, View Park Windsor-Hills, CA, Woodmore, MD…

Me: Cascade is a neighborhood of Atlanta. The other examples are unincorporated areas or “census designated places” and thus have no discrete local governments.

By that logic you’d expect them all to have perfect Sunday School attendance and never use four letter words. We being so dangerous and all.

I tend to agree with Victor Davis Hanson that there is nothing so violently murderous as Westerners when they get sufficiently riled up and ramped up. No arguing with you on this point.

But Blacks in the USA appear to have some inability to draw correct inference from our Deplorable History. I certainly wouldn’t be pushing the envelope right now were I to find myself transported into their shoes in a stroke of what you would doubtless consider poetic justice 🙂

Your reasoning is completely in-line with BLM. If we lump everyone into categories and predetermined behaviors based on skin color what happens?

“Blacks” can point to the millions murdered by white regimes in just the past century. Let’s list the most murderous nations of the 20th century. How far down the list do we have to go until we get to a black majority nation or culture? BLM doesn’t have to do much digging to find abominations and atrocities to pin on the “white” race. Statistically, if one wants to look at history and predict if someone is likely to become a genocidal, mass murdering maniac based on attributes you would have to completely agree with BLM’s stance that white males ought to be eliminated from an abundance of caution.

“Please show me one example of a well-run Black city. There isn’t one. They can’t do it.”

Cascade – Atlanta, GA, Lake Arbor, Maryland, Hillcrest, NY, Friendly, MD, Ladera Heights, CA, View Park Windsor-Hills, CA, Woodmore, MD…

I can also list white majority cities that are poorly run (including where I was raised), but I’d risk developing carpal tunnel syndrome from all that typing.

One of the aspects of Sowell’s “Conquests and Cultures” is trying to imagine his research staff. Good lord. He considers geography; distance between coal and iron ore….beyond a certain distance you don’t get iron/steel technology. Rainy season and dry rivers keep people from boating into Africa with the resulting development or non-development.
On and on. One item which is likely telling in the current discussion is his assertion that Polish immigrants from areas controlled by Germany did better than Polish immigrants from areas controlled by Russia.
And how long the cultural traits lasted. See the Volga Germans.

Studying SubSaharan Africa back fifty-plus years ago, I had a prof who said he could read terrain relief by looking at disease ocurrence, or disease occurrence by looking at terrain maps. A bit of doggerel from the Royal Navy’s West Africa station: “Beware and take care of the Bight of Benin. There’s one comes out for forty goes in.” What numbers I’ve been able to find don’t support that ratio, but it was pretty bad.
Kwame Nkrumah, first leader of independent Ghana, said that they needed a giant statue of the anopheles mosquito in downtown Accra. Sort of a much grimmer version of the statue of the boll weevil in Enterprise, AL.

But the point is, what is to be done now? Black Lives Mansions aren’t going to give up their gig. Nor are Sharpton or Crump.
Liberals of all colors aren’t going to give up believing, at some level, the equivalent of “hands up, don’t shoot”, and insisting that others believe it as well, including young blacks who have no other source of information–that they’d credit because the hustlers tell them not to.
Liberals aren’t going to give up their feeling of superiority they get by “helping” others continue to be self-destructive.

Where we used to live and where our kids went to school was a very pleasant midwest town. Almost entirely white except for some absurdly middle class black families and some Asian/white families. Everybody got along. The football team was on the point of throwing out a kid who used a term for a black teammate he honestly didn’t know was wrong.

Then came the “project”. Need a cop on the school bus which picks up from that area. A colleague since retired said that there had been fifteen fights by Christmas in the high school, all kids from The Project.

If you don’t want to be around that, the nature/nurture question is irrelevant.

If somebody says, about a vid of a brawl a McD’s “If I guessed right, am I a racist?” what is the answer?

As I keep saying, almost all the celebrated cases of cops shooting blacks involve blacks resisting the cops for no good reason. There are exceptions, of course, but look at the cases that get the ink.

Interesting observations. Reminds me of the spaceship full of Telephone Sanitizers and other useless people in Hitchhikers’ Guide to the Galaxy. Their home planet had told them that everyone was setting out to colonise a new planet on multiple ships and they were being sent first because they were most deserving of the honour.

I would make the point that immigrant West Africans in the present day are the smart fraction boiling off and heading to wherever they can best maximise their personal utility functions. On the whole they’re not the worst of potential immigrants, but they could do more good for all concerned staying where they belong and improving the lot of their less capable fellow countrymen.

Ceterum autem censeo Somalis are just plain Bad News.

A (I think) smaller portion are descendants of unlucky “normals” who were jacked in tribal raids. Smart through dim, but “normal”. Both the Igbo and Oyo Empire (of the Yoruba) both seem to have dumped their “defectives”who were a-social or anti-social into the Atlantic Slave Trade. Smart through dim, but resentful and hostile. In our midwest metro, there are Black communities that have been peaceful, and cooperative since before Illinois Abe took that job in Washington. The urban core has been converted into a ghetto in which 2020 was spent trying to get the murder toll above the COVID death toll.

Historians can’t seem to determine the total of West Africans sold into slavery, so it is unlikely that the numbers of “kidnappoed” vs. the numbers “dumped” will ever be resolved. But if you have been around, you can see the two separate peoples.

I have know some fine human beings and have been cornered on a light rail platform by some that were no so fine, but were another kind. Immigrant West Africans seem to do OK in the U.S. and in the U.K. Most “African Americans” are “different”. It isn’t because of the “experience” of slavery or racism. They experienced “slavery” because of what the “founding population” was, or wasn’t. The violence and hostility were endemic components of this sub-class. I believe that the behavioral composition of this sub-population created New World “racism”. The “racism” didn’t create the defective sub-population.

No. I can’t prove this theory, but look around. You don’t need a heroic IQ to hold a job, run a business, or do well in some professional careers. You do have to be able to get along, work consistently, and to cooperate. The ghetto is full of individuals who can’t get along or hold a job with the slightest responsibility. I am pretty sure that the founding population of these “defectives” were those dumped at the Bonni Port in exchange for steel implements, brightly colored cloth and/or Rum.

Watch the jargon and word play in the African histories, when they are explaining how African “slavery” was different and “so nice”. Yeah, unless you were a persistent screw-up and were destined for an “all expense” trip to the “New World”. “African Americans” are (in my opinion) mostly made up of the descendants of the cast-offs of the West African tribes/empires/nations.

“According to the Daily Mail, Wright’s relatives and supporters assembled near the Minneapolis courthouse where Chauvin is standing trial and talked about Wright. They were met there by Courtney Ross. Courtney Ross was Floyd’s girlfriend for three years until his death. She used to work as a dean at Edison High School where she knew Daunte Wright.”

Most probably have intuited that I am referring to Liberia, and the Americo-Liberian culture built by the settlement of pioneering black Americans.

It’s strange how negatively they are viewed by many, and how their struggle, along with the US Navy to suppress the local slave trade there, gets only a kind of shrugging acknowledgement. Slaving is bad. Except you know, when indigenous tribes are doing the marketing. Then it’s not good maybe, but blah blah blah someone else’s fault, part of local culture, not qualitatively the same etc,, etc, etc,

I’m not saying that the family business, as the little republic more or less came to be, was perfect, but it was a fascinating project and surely deserves a more positive and sympathetic treatment than it has received.

The progressives of this world are no friends of anyone who does not share their view: Black, Christian, American pioneers in Africa, included.

I think it is tragic to think of what might have been but was never realized. Rather like the abortive – or at least destroyed by goddamned barbarians of the same stock- mercantile republic of the Kievan Rus, “Prince” Novgorod.

If the mentally ill lunatics running the Democrat Party have their way, we will be joining them both.