A second vaccination is used to boost the levels of memory B Cells, which produce the cells that then produce large amounts of antibodies, and memory T cells, which perform a similar function to produce large numbers of Virus specific T Cells. These T cells surveil and destroy virus infected cells. Together the two memory cell systems mount an effective response to a secondary infection.

I hope this brief (and superficial) summary is helpful. Any competent medical professional knows how the immune system works.

Referring to the Israeli experience; the two major Israeli medical systems have monitored thousands of vaccinated patients. Focusing on those (14000+) who were at least two weeks beyond the second Pfizer vaccination, only 2% were reinfected, less than 0.2% were hospitalized, none were moved to critical care, none died.

For what it’s worth, the antibody test normally given may not accurately test post-vaccine status. I am a volunteer in the Johnson and Johnson vaccine trial and was given the injection back in November. At the time we were told that if we are offered an appointment for one of the other vaccines we should call them and they will unblind us to determine whether we had received the vaccine or the placebo. A while back (before the J&J vaccine had been approved) I saw my PCP for my yearly physical and he ordered the antibody test. By chance the next day I was offered a vaccine by the VA. When I called the J&J study team to be unblinded, I was told that I had in fact received the vaccine. A couple of days later my antibody test came back negative. Confused, I called the study team back thinking that a mistake may have been made and I had in fact been given the placebo. He assured me that I had been given the vaccine. The bottom line after a long technical explanation was that the antibody test which is normally given won’t necessarily show the antibodies conferred by their vaccine, and a different type of antibody test would need to be given.

Sorry for the long comment, but my point is that people should be careful about getting an antibody test for the sole purpose of determining post-vaccine status.

In any event, stay safe down in CA and enjoy the time on the water Oldflyer.

Why is there no consideration of whether or not one has had COVID when registering for the vaccine? Shouldn’t COVID survivors be at the end of the list? Or, depending on age, maybe just in front of young folks? The vaccine is in limited supply and we are still scrambling to get at risk folks vaccinated.

It seems to me one of the questions when applying for a shot slot would be; have you had COVID? And a follow-up would be; if so, how long ago?

Thanks for the clarification on immunity.

What you are being told by the “experts” is technically true, but it’s what they are keeping from you that is more relevant. Circulating antibodies to a pathogen always decrease over time without repeated exposure to it. It’s the T-cell immunity that remains that is important. I haven’t seen anything published anywhere that your T-cell immunity goes back to being naive after exposure to covid. If the T-cell memory remains, antibody production can be ramped up if needed.

I suspect most medical researchers are not interested in publishing anything that shows evidence long-term immunity to covid. I suspect most doctors are not interested in knowing anything more than the fact that circulating antibodies to covid decrease after a few months. Most doctors WANT the virus to continue forever, they like the lockdowns, and like the platform they are given.

Much like those who publish on “climate change”, the only predetermined conclusion the medical community will allow to be published is that there is no way to fight off the virus and immunity can never be achieved. Any contrary view or research to that will not be published, and anyone who doubts the predetermined conclusion will be called a “covid denier”.

90% of doctors are pro-covid and pro-masking and pro-lockdowns. They love the life they are living now, what with a lot more work from home and poor people hand delivering all their meals and supplies to their doors.

The Mrs. and I will be motoring around the Jacksonville area looking at real estate next week.

As you learned on your recent trip, “It’s a small world, after all!”

I got COVID when I had no anti-bodies. A week of fever, chills, sweating. Lost some weight. From symptom onset to full recovery was 3 weeks. Similar to some of the bad flus I’ve had. My O2 levels never dropped below about 92%. I was very fortunate that my body’s reaction was sufficient to keep it from compromising my lungs and breathing. So I have a pretty reliable test case (me, my own body) regarding how COVID affects my body. Since then I have had some amount of anti-bodies in my system. I have felt very healthy since then, actually better than I had prior due to dropping some unneeded pounds). Are all my anti-bodies gone? Unlikely. Would my immune system react slower, or worse next time, than it did the first time? Unlikely. Based on numbers we saw in January and how out and about I was then, there is a very good chance I have been exposed to the virus since my recovery last year.

I know there are mutations. I know some small percentage of people have already gotten it twice. But I have also had two cousins die from regular, seasonal flu (both were under the age of 40). Based on my personal experience with COVID I don’t see my current, personal risk beyond that of my risk of dying from influenza (barring some new, bad, mutant strain of COVID). I’m cautious, I avoid getting close to strangers; for their sake and mine. I wash my hands after touching things that have been touched by others.

If your medical friend knew my history, how I live my life (lots of exercise, fresh air, walk 3 – 5 miles most days to buy groceries {I have a car, but I like to walk for fun} {half that walk is done carrying groceries}, no co-morbidities… I doubt she’d advise that I cower inside or avoid human interaction as long as I keep a safe distance and wash my hands.

And this is not an attack on you, nor the decisions you are making, nor a suggestion that we don’t listen to health experts we trust. As an aside, I recently had lunch with my physician (who is also a friend). He has been rather conservative regarding this pandemic, and tends to side towards studies that warrant more caution, rather than less, but he did tell me he believes we will learn that most people’s anti-bodies will be shown to last a long time, once we get far enough out from the pandemic’s onset.

How long does your medical advisor friend think the antibodies from the vaccine will last? Is she advising you get vaccinated every 3 months?

This is the only study I know of with COVID survivors beyond 3 months, which makes sense since it’s such a new disease.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/537173-coronavirus-antibodies-last-for-at-least-6

Almost 100 percent of participants who previously had the virus retained coronavirus antibodies for three months after infection.

Eighty-eight percent were found to have antibodies for the full six months of the study.

Researchers collected monthly blood samples from more than 20,000 participants between May and December.

“The federal government does have its own powers. The CDC, as the U.S.’s primary agency for taking action to stop the spread of disease, has broad authority under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution to restrict travel into the country and between states of an infected person or a person who has come in contact with an infected person, according to Laura Donohue, director of the Center on National Security and the Law at Georgetown Law School. Federal quarantine can be imposed, too, on federal property, like a military base or National Forest land. And as the preeminent employer of experts on public health crises, the CDC is always likely to get involved within any affected state in the event of a looming pandemic.

But its power to act is extremely restricted. The agency traditionally acts in an advisory role and can only take control from local authorities under two circumstances: if local authorities invite them to do so or under the authority outlined in the Insurrection Act in the event of a total breakdown of law and order.”

The CDC also has no troops with which to enforce its authority. The Commerce Clause clearly does not apply to an in-state family gathering or party or anything similar.

But Xiden is just the guy to be told by handlers to invoke the Insurrection Act. Dems drool at the prospect.