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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538493</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2021 18:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had seen an article touting India&#039;s use of HCQ and Ivermectin-- selling prophylactic pacts of ivermectin and the low fatality rate in India. I can&#039;t find that article now, but there was this:

https://principia-scientific.com/the-case-for-hcq-against-covid-19-is-now-overwhelming/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had seen an article touting India&#8217;s use of HCQ and Ivermectin&#8211; selling prophylactic pacts of ivermectin and the low fatality rate in India. I can&#8217;t find that article now, but there was this:</p>
<p><a href="https://principia-scientific.com/the-case-for-hcq-against-covid-19-is-now-overwhelming/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://principia-scientific.com/the-case-for-hcq-against-covid-19-is-now-overwhelming/</a></p>
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		By: Keith		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538377</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone looking for ivermectin or  hydroxi , ask your pharmacist, local hometown pharmacy would be best, what docs are writing script on those drugs. If you know some one in central or South America , they can get it otc

The easiest way is your local farm coop or vet supply. I had heard that some would not sell it, if they thought you were taking it yourself. I had a story ready ,that Santa brought me a pony for Christmas. The young lady at the co op said , “did you know people are taking this for China Flue ?”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone looking for ivermectin or  hydroxi , ask your pharmacist, local hometown pharmacy would be best, what docs are writing script on those drugs. If you know some one in central or South America , they can get it otc</p>
<p>The easiest way is your local farm coop or vet supply. I had heard that some would not sell it, if they thought you were taking it yourself. I had a story ready ,that Santa brought me a pony for Christmas. The young lady at the co op said , “did you know people are taking this for China Flue ?”</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538342</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon W posted a link to Dr Norman Doidge&#039;s article in Tablet Magazine, about the history of the hydroxychloroquine controversy, that is absolutely excellent.

&quot;Norman Doidge, a contributing writer for Tablet, is a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, and author of The Brain That Changes Itself and The Brain’s Way of Healing.&quot; (I&#039;ve read the first book and found it outstanding).

More than highly recommended.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon W posted a link to Dr Norman Doidge&#8217;s article in Tablet Magazine, about the history of the hydroxychloroquine controversy, that is absolutely excellent.</p>
<p>&#8220;Norman Doidge, a contributing writer for Tablet, is a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, and author of The Brain That Changes Itself and The Brain’s Way of Healing.&#8221; (I&#8217;ve read the first book and found it outstanding).</p>
<p>More than highly recommended.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538341</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 06:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The question is as always can we learn and fire incompetents and promote competency?&quot; - Zaphod

Interesting post at your link about WWII General Fredendall, and some lessons to be pondered.
Given the host of examples from all of history about what happens when your military leadership goes to seed in peacetime, the moves from the Obama/Biden/Obama administration to fill the US upper ranks with virtue-signalers (even if some do have warrior cred) doesn&#039;t bode well for their next R2P intervention.

And if they keep booting soldiers for wrong-think (not to mention dissing the Space Force), we might find the answer to the old hippie question, &quot;What if they gave a war and nobody came?&quot;

In re the topic of &quot;competence&quot; - someone else recommended a post by Sarah Hoyt elsewhere, and it certainly supports Cochran&#039;s thesis -- which is the reason for his Object Lesson about the General -- 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Generally, the governing classes in the US, for the last generation or two, has not acted as if they think that winning, actually achieving your goal,  is very important. Promotion follows failure: indeed, being right when almost everyone else is wrong just shows how undesirable you are.  Iraq is a good example.

Covid-19 is another example. The professionals weren’t very good, aren’t very good. They didn’t know a lot of important, knowable things. Probably the most talented people were going into something other than epidemiology or virology.

We don’t have to make them unpersons, don’t have to send them to Kolyma. We don’t have to pull out their teeth and fingernails.  There’s no reason to put on a black leather jacket and shoot them in the back of the head. That would be wrong.

But we can fire them.  And we should.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/01/28/competence-and-take-overs/
&quot;Competence is not intelligence. Competence isn’t even innate ability. Competence is, instead, the ability to focus on and do the job.&quot;

Analysis on why our current government and civil society are so bad at acquiring, using, and rewarding competent people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The question is as always can we learn and fire incompetents and promote competency?&#8221; &#8211; Zaphod</p>
<p>Interesting post at your link about WWII General Fredendall, and some lessons to be pondered.<br />
Given the host of examples from all of history about what happens when your military leadership goes to seed in peacetime, the moves from the Obama/Biden/Obama administration to fill the US upper ranks with virtue-signalers (even if some do have warrior cred) doesn&#8217;t bode well for their next R2P intervention.</p>
<p>And if they keep booting soldiers for wrong-think (not to mention dissing the Space Force), we might find the answer to the old hippie question, &#8220;What if they gave a war and nobody came?&#8221;</p>
<p>In re the topic of &#8220;competence&#8221; &#8211; someone else recommended a post by Sarah Hoyt elsewhere, and it certainly supports Cochran&#8217;s thesis &#8212; which is the reason for his Object Lesson about the General &#8212; </p>
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Generally, the governing classes in the US, for the last generation or two, has not acted as if they think that winning, actually achieving your goal,  is very important. Promotion follows failure: indeed, being right when almost everyone else is wrong just shows how undesirable you are.  Iraq is a good example.</p>
<p>Covid-19 is another example. The professionals weren’t very good, aren’t very good. They didn’t know a lot of important, knowable things. Probably the most talented people were going into something other than epidemiology or virology.</p>
<p>We don’t have to make them unpersons, don’t have to send them to Kolyma. We don’t have to pull out their teeth and fingernails.  There’s no reason to put on a black leather jacket and shoot them in the back of the head. That would be wrong.</p>
<p>But we can fire them.  And we should.
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<p><a href="https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/01/28/competence-and-take-overs/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/01/28/competence-and-take-overs/</a><br />
&#8220;Competence is not intelligence. Competence isn’t even innate ability. Competence is, instead, the ability to focus on and do the job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Analysis on why our current government and civil society are so bad at acquiring, using, and rewarding competent people.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538339</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 05:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Even the common spell check more often than not , flags it as misspelled , but instead of posting a suggestion, offers up “ No replacement found”.&quot; - jon baker

I never thought the spell-checkers had a very good AI, even if they aren&#039;t being manipulated, because I frequently use words not in common parlance (nothing as good as superveniently, though!) so I&#039;m used to misfires. 
However, in a recent comment I needed to use the word &quot;church&quot; and misspelled it as &quot;chruch&quot; so I hit the autosuggestion to make the correction quickly.
Big surprise -- that is such a simple typo, the FIRST suggestion should have been the word I wanted, but no -- look at what I got, and then I started testing the program.

chruch  - crunch, crouch, crutch
chufch  - chinch, chuck, clutch
chuch - chuck, couch, chichi
churc - chum, chord, chuck
curch - crutch, curt, crunch

I find it hard to believe that there is not some algorithmic manipulation deliberately omitting CHURCH from the &quot;possible suggestions&quot; lists.

PS for fun, I ust now tried putting &quot;chruch&quot; in the DDG search bar, and immediately was &quot;asked&quot; if I wanted church&#039;s chicken or churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints or church militant.

Interesting choices.
I think I&#039;ll go see if there&#039;s any of yesterday&#039;s chicken still in the fridge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even the common spell check more often than not , flags it as misspelled , but instead of posting a suggestion, offers up “ No replacement found”.&#8221; &#8211; jon baker</p>
<p>I never thought the spell-checkers had a very good AI, even if they aren&#8217;t being manipulated, because I frequently use words not in common parlance (nothing as good as superveniently, though!) so I&#8217;m used to misfires.<br />
However, in a recent comment I needed to use the word &#8220;church&#8221; and misspelled it as &#8220;chruch&#8221; so I hit the autosuggestion to make the correction quickly.<br />
Big surprise &#8212; that is such a simple typo, the FIRST suggestion should have been the word I wanted, but no &#8212; look at what I got, and then I started testing the program.</p>
<p>chruch  &#8211; crunch, crouch, crutch<br />
chufch  &#8211; chinch, chuck, clutch<br />
chuch &#8211; chuck, couch, chichi<br />
churc &#8211; chum, chord, chuck<br />
curch &#8211; crutch, curt, crunch</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that there is not some algorithmic manipulation deliberately omitting CHURCH from the &#8220;possible suggestions&#8221; lists.</p>
<p>PS for fun, I ust now tried putting &#8220;chruch&#8221; in the DDG search bar, and immediately was &#8220;asked&#8221; if I wanted church&#8217;s chicken or churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints or church militant.</p>
<p>Interesting choices.<br />
I think I&#8217;ll go see if there&#8217;s any of yesterday&#8217;s chicken still in the fridge.</p>
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		By: A_Nonny_Mouse		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538325</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, regarding availability of HCQ: you can interwebz-search &quot;ivermectin 1% injectable for horses&quot; for suppliers.  It&#039;s over-the-counter - used for horse and swine de-worming and/or to prevent heartworm in dogs.  (There *ARE* some contra-indications; look those up online; eg don&#039;t take if you&#039;re on Warfarin; don&#039;t give to collies.)   

NO, you don&#039;t inject it (but you do need a syringe to get it out of the bottle); you squirt it into an ounce or two of water and drink it.  (It&#039;s bitter; chug fast.)  As with HCQ, take the first dose as soon as you recognize the symptoms of covid; then take a second dose 72 hrs later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, regarding availability of HCQ: you can interwebz-search &#8220;ivermectin 1% injectable for horses&#8221; for suppliers.  It&#8217;s over-the-counter &#8211; used for horse and swine de-worming and/or to prevent heartworm in dogs.  (There *ARE* some contra-indications; look those up online; eg don&#8217;t take if you&#8217;re on Warfarin; don&#8217;t give to collies.)   </p>
<p>NO, you don&#8217;t inject it (but you do need a syringe to get it out of the bottle); you squirt it into an ounce or two of water and drink it.  (It&#8217;s bitter; chug fast.)  As with HCQ, take the first dose as soon as you recognize the symptoms of covid; then take a second dose 72 hrs later.</p>
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		By: R.C.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 03:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget Plitidepsin:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-plitidepsin-remdesivir-covid-.html

And then there&#039;s this mess:
https://humanevents.com/2021/02/02/the-florida-covid-19-whistleblower-saga-is-a-big-lie/

...and this mystery:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/01/962821038/the-mystery-of-indias-plummeting-covid-19-cases

H/T Instapundit]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Plitidepsin:<br />
<a href="https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-plitidepsin-remdesivir-covid-.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-plitidepsin-remdesivir-covid-.html</a></p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s this mess:<br />
<a href="https://humanevents.com/2021/02/02/the-florida-covid-19-whistleblower-saga-is-a-big-lie/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://humanevents.com/2021/02/02/the-florida-covid-19-whistleblower-saga-is-a-big-lie/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;and this mystery:<br />
<a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/01/962821038/the-mystery-of-indias-plummeting-covid-19-cases" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/01/962821038/the-mystery-of-indias-plummeting-covid-19-cases</a></p>
<p>H/T Instapundit</p>
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		By: Liz		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/02/02/and-speaking-of-hydroxychloroquine/#comment-2538315</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 03:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This website is a good resource  - https://covid19criticalcare.com/

They list the doses of various supplements depending on the stage of illness.  And I concur with Stu about the use of Quercetin as an ionphore to get the zinc into the cell to disrupt the virus replication.

The MedCram Covid videos are great to explain why you should take certain things.

https://www.medcram.com/courses/coronavirus-outbreak-symptoms-treatment

A point about Zinc and the amount you should take - consult with your doctor, but the blood levels of zinc can be tested.  I have my D levels tested and I&#039;ll start adding the Zn on a regular basis.  Note - I take higher than normal doses of D (10,000 units per day) since that is what my blood work tells me &#038; the doctor concurs.  I was taking higher doses of Zn for a while and noted that some persistent skin issues cleared up.  We tested for the zinc levels and they were within the range.  My doctor did some research on zinc and skin issues and told another patient to start taking higher doses and her issue resolved itself.  I&#039;ve cut back on the zinc and the skin problems are reemerging.... 

BTW, there are some labs which will let you order your own tests and pay a reduced price, in cash.  Quest Labs is one of these labs.  They do a MMR test which I paid for since I had the measles, mumps in childhood and never had the vaccine.  So, the lab test showed I still had great levels of antibodies for MMR so I did not have to take the vaccine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This website is a good resource  &#8211; <a href="https://covid19criticalcare.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://covid19criticalcare.com/</a></p>
<p>They list the doses of various supplements depending on the stage of illness.  And I concur with Stu about the use of Quercetin as an ionphore to get the zinc into the cell to disrupt the virus replication.</p>
<p>The MedCram Covid videos are great to explain why you should take certain things.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.medcram.com/courses/coronavirus-outbreak-symptoms-treatment" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.medcram.com/courses/coronavirus-outbreak-symptoms-treatment</a></p>
<p>A point about Zinc and the amount you should take &#8211; consult with your doctor, but the blood levels of zinc can be tested.  I have my D levels tested and I&#8217;ll start adding the Zn on a regular basis.  Note &#8211; I take higher than normal doses of D (10,000 units per day) since that is what my blood work tells me &amp; the doctor concurs.  I was taking higher doses of Zn for a while and noted that some persistent skin issues cleared up.  We tested for the zinc levels and they were within the range.  My doctor did some research on zinc and skin issues and told another patient to start taking higher doses and her issue resolved itself.  I&#8217;ve cut back on the zinc and the skin problems are reemerging&#8230;. </p>
<p>BTW, there are some labs which will let you order your own tests and pay a reduced price, in cash.  Quest Labs is one of these labs.  They do a MMR test which I paid for since I had the measles, mumps in childhood and never had the vaccine.  So, the lab test showed I still had great levels of antibodies for MMR so I did not have to take the vaccine.</p>
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		By: A_Nonny_Mouse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 02:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; ... the early politicization of this drug was extremely counterproductive ...&quot;  
- - - - -

That&#039;s the genteel way of saying that the Never-Trumpers / Deep State / our 3-letter Federal Health agencies deliberately let hundreds of thousands of Americans die because they hated the very notion that this non-Elite outsider had become President.  They COULD NOT IN ANY WAY let him be correct about anything.  

I hate these people.    Truly, truly, HATE them.   And there&#039;s
apparently no way short of country-wide violent revolution to get rid of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; the early politicization of this drug was extremely counterproductive &#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the genteel way of saying that the Never-Trumpers / Deep State / our 3-letter Federal Health agencies deliberately let hundreds of thousands of Americans die because they hated the very notion that this non-Elite outsider had become President.  They COULD NOT IN ANY WAY let him be correct about anything.  </p>
<p>I hate these people.    Truly, truly, HATE them.   And there&#8217;s<br />
apparently no way short of country-wide violent revolution to get rid of them.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2021 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Covid positive tests are down 42% in the US in the last three weeks (since Jan 14) and continuing to drop....&quot;

Biden and his stellar team sure work fast...:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/03/who-changes-ct-value-pcr.aspx?ui=a7d70cc9296cf4adf611308334e8812cff43cb35a011b92affd6073e38c0ba63&#038;cid_source=dnl&#038;cid_medium=email&#038;cid_content=art1HL&#038;cid=20210203&#038;mid=DM793938&#038;rid=1074934180]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Covid positive tests are down 42% in the US in the last three weeks (since Jan 14) and continuing to drop&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Biden and his stellar team sure work fast&#8230;:<br />
<a href="https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/03/who-changes-ct-value-pcr.aspx?ui=a7d70cc9296cf4adf611308334e8812cff43cb35a011b92affd6073e38c0ba63&#038;cid_source=dnl&#038;cid_medium=email&#038;cid_content=art1HL&#038;cid=20210203&#038;mid=DM793938&#038;rid=1074934180" rel="nofollow ugc">https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/03/who-changes-ct-value-pcr.aspx?ui=a7d70cc9296cf4adf611308334e8812cff43cb35a011b92affd6073e38c0ba63&#038;cid_source=dnl&#038;cid_medium=email&#038;cid_content=art1HL&#038;cid=20210203&#038;mid=DM793938&#038;rid=1074934180</a></p>
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