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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Sam L. on January 22, 2021 at 6:09 pm said:
OK, I’ll play. 1: I despise, detest, and totally distrust the media, the NYT, the WaPoo, and the TV “news”. 2: I don’t know if the media is/are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Dem Party, or it’s the other way round, but it’s OBVIOUS that they are in CAHOOTS.&lt;/b&gt;

Why do so many people believe Blue Kama was inaugurated? Inaugurated by the fake news to what?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sam L. on January 22, 2021 at 6:09 pm said:<br />
OK, I’ll play. 1: I despise, detest, and totally distrust the media, the NYT, the WaPoo, and the TV “news”. 2: I don’t know if the media is/are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Dem Party, or it’s the other way round, but it’s OBVIOUS that they are in CAHOOTS.</b></p>
<p>Why do so many people believe Blue Kama was inaugurated? Inaugurated by the fake news to what?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2021 01:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo - I read your old post (which you published before I found your blog), and noted four commenters whose anecdotes directly related to the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, although none of them mention it by name. Presented in decreasing order of awareness, starting with one that serves as introduction and definition.
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Paul on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:
This is new? What about the Spanish American War, Hearst and Pulitzer? Ever see the old movie with Cary Grant, The Frontpage? The newspapers have been full of bunkum forever. &lt;b&gt;And once you’ve noticed the inaccuracy in reports about subjects you know, why did you assume that other reports were accurate? Should have been a tip-off.&lt;/b&gt;
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meander on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:
Many years ago I had a family member involved in a very dramatic occurrance. It was front page fodder for the big Philadelphia papers for a couple of weeks. Reporters called our house to get background info and facts on the family member from my mother. &lt;b&gt;It fascinated us to read the subsequent stories and see how much incorrect info they contained&lt;/b&gt; that related directly to what my mom was interviewed about. The “reporting” was well written and gripping…just not totally accurate. For some reason, I never applied that personal experience to national and world news reporting until the age of the internet and information laden blogs.
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Promethea on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:
I can think of four subjects that I have or had special expertise in, and &lt;b&gt;in all four cases the inaccuracies in relevant newspaper reports were huge, even untruthful.&lt;/b&gt;

Why do I read the newspaper? I skim it to find the general issues of the day (as defined by the MSM) and once in a while learn something interesting about ... trivia stuff.
... It’s up to the blogosphere to “deconstruct” the omissions and lies–
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john moulder on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:
I worked at a state agency for over 25 years, an institution that occasionally landed in the news. &lt;b&gt;I never read a newspaper article of any length concerning us that didn’t contain inaccuracies.&lt;/b&gt; I am not exaggerating. We used to laugh &#038; wonder at the misinformation they published about us. I’m sure other ex-bureaucrats could relate similar anecdotes. I suspect that much of the time it was ineptitude but sometimes it was seemed that the article was hostile or that our agency was simply being used to make a point — or both.

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I would think that being attuned to the GMAE is something like being red-pilled.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &#8211; I read your old post (which you published before I found your blog), and noted four commenters whose anecdotes directly related to the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, although none of them mention it by name. Presented in decreasing order of awareness, starting with one that serves as introduction and definition.<br />
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Paul on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:<br />
This is new? What about the Spanish American War, Hearst and Pulitzer? Ever see the old movie with Cary Grant, The Frontpage? The newspapers have been full of bunkum forever. <b>And once you’ve noticed the inaccuracy in reports about subjects you know, why did you assume that other reports were accurate? Should have been a tip-off.</b><br />
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meander on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:<br />
Many years ago I had a family member involved in a very dramatic occurrance. It was front page fodder for the big Philadelphia papers for a couple of weeks. Reporters called our house to get background info and facts on the family member from my mother. <b>It fascinated us to read the subsequent stories and see how much incorrect info they contained</b> that related directly to what my mom was interviewed about. The “reporting” was well written and gripping…just not totally accurate. For some reason, I never applied that personal experience to national and world news reporting until the age of the internet and information laden blogs.<br />
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Promethea on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:<br />
I can think of four subjects that I have or had special expertise in, and <b>in all four cases the inaccuracies in relevant newspaper reports were huge, even untruthful.</b></p>
<p>Why do I read the newspaper? I skim it to find the general issues of the day (as defined by the MSM) and once in a while learn something interesting about &#8230; trivia stuff.<br />
&#8230; It’s up to the blogosphere to “deconstruct” the omissions and lies–<br />
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john moulder on August 12, 2005 at 11:47 am said:<br />
I worked at a state agency for over 25 years, an institution that occasionally landed in the news. <b>I never read a newspaper article of any length concerning us that didn’t contain inaccuracies.</b> I am not exaggerating. We used to laugh &amp; wonder at the misinformation they published about us. I’m sure other ex-bureaucrats could relate similar anecdotes. I suspect that much of the time it was ineptitude but sometimes it was seemed that the article was hostile or that our agency was simply being used to make a point — or both.</p>
<p>* * *<br />
I would think that being attuned to the GMAE is something like being red-pilled.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly:

Fifteen and a half years ago I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2005/08/12/journalism-its-good-ones-who-need/&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; on that subject.  It was already becoming rampant, and a big problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus T. Firefly:</p>
<p>Fifteen and a half years ago I wrote <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2005/08/12/journalism-its-good-ones-who-need/">this post</a> on that subject.  It was already becoming rampant, and a big problem.</p>
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		By: Ray SoCa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Epoch Times is surprisingly good.

My parents got a subscription and I browsed through a couple of issues.

What a huge contrast with their local paper, the LA Times. Most print media is so biased, it’s propaganda. I used to be a daily newspaper reader, and stopped due to the biases.

Now as mentioned above, I pick and choose. Don Surber and Ace of Spades is how I begin my day, and usually have done good links.

I was reading the Washington Examiner, but their anti Trump bias became too blatant.

A litmus test I’m doing is if an author / publication says there was no or insignificant voter fraud, I usually end reading. They just took a huge negative hit to their credibility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epoch Times is surprisingly good.</p>
<p>My parents got a subscription and I browsed through a couple of issues.</p>
<p>What a huge contrast with their local paper, the LA Times. Most print media is so biased, it’s propaganda. I used to be a daily newspaper reader, and stopped due to the biases.</p>
<p>Now as mentioned above, I pick and choose. Don Surber and Ace of Spades is how I begin my day, and usually have done good links.</p>
<p>I was reading the Washington Examiner, but their anti Trump bias became too blatant.</p>
<p>A litmus test I’m doing is if an author / publication says there was no or insignificant voter fraud, I usually end reading. They just took a huge negative hit to their credibility.</p>
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		By: I am Spartacus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 15:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great thread.  I am in agreement with the bulk of the comments.  I tell people when I want to know what goes on in the United States I read the British papers (not BBC).  I would add EPOCH TIMES and Breibart to the list.

Gateway Pundit though daft and sensationalist does have a network of local reporters that get behind the scenes and gets us into details of a story.  It is so sad when it&#039;s reporting is better than the NYT and Washington Post, CNN/ABC/NBS and MSNBC (who watches these anyway?).

I reserve my judgement on CBS until I see what Catherine Herridge is able to do.

Zero Hedge deserves mention.  They are returning to form after the 2012 Obama purge of contributors.  Let&#039;s see if they can keep it up through Biden.  

These are reporters of news and not commentators of news which I put this blog and Meaning of History in.

You have to look at people&#039;s area of expertise.  Anything that Sundance says on Congressional going&#039;s on I trust.  It comes to pass.  ShipWreckedCrew on the processes and procedures of the Department of Justice.  I don&#039;t hold any credence on his discussions of the motives of the actors as witnessed by his apologetic writings concerning the Barr and Durham whitewash.  There are two systems of Justice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thread.  I am in agreement with the bulk of the comments.  I tell people when I want to know what goes on in the United States I read the British papers (not BBC).  I would add EPOCH TIMES and Breibart to the list.</p>
<p>Gateway Pundit though daft and sensationalist does have a network of local reporters that get behind the scenes and gets us into details of a story.  It is so sad when it&#8217;s reporting is better than the NYT and Washington Post, CNN/ABC/NBS and MSNBC (who watches these anyway?).</p>
<p>I reserve my judgement on CBS until I see what Catherine Herridge is able to do.</p>
<p>Zero Hedge deserves mention.  They are returning to form after the 2012 Obama purge of contributors.  Let&#8217;s see if they can keep it up through Biden.  </p>
<p>These are reporters of news and not commentators of news which I put this blog and Meaning of History in.</p>
<p>You have to look at people&#8217;s area of expertise.  Anything that Sundance says on Congressional going&#8217;s on I trust.  It comes to pass.  ShipWreckedCrew on the processes and procedures of the Department of Justice.  I don&#8217;t hold any credence on his discussions of the motives of the actors as witnessed by his apologetic writings concerning the Barr and Durham whitewash.  There are two systems of Justice.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 13:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s all fake news. If you are paying attention to them and giving them their energy, you have already lost. No amount of firewalls can stop that trojan or virus if you keep clicking on the files.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all fake news. If you are paying attention to them and giving them their energy, you have already lost. No amount of firewalls can stop that trojan or virus if you keep clicking on the files.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 13:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Author (and former journalist) Andrew Klavan believes that one of the problems with the press is that the press corps is now mainly made up of people with journalism degrees, whereas, prior to the &#039;80s, most journalists were more like blue collar types who learned on the job. They covered anything and everything, including a lot of small, boring public meetings/hearings. More senior staff and editors corrected their work and trained them on the fundaments of the profession. And, just as so many policemen and women change their political views after a few years on the force; working among and writing about petty criminals and crime, and interacting with ward bosses and minor political figures familiarizes one with the underbelly of society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Author (and former journalist) Andrew Klavan believes that one of the problems with the press is that the press corps is now mainly made up of people with journalism degrees, whereas, prior to the &#8217;80s, most journalists were more like blue collar types who learned on the job. They covered anything and everything, including a lot of small, boring public meetings/hearings. More senior staff and editors corrected their work and trained them on the fundaments of the profession. And, just as so many policemen and women change their political views after a few years on the force; working among and writing about petty criminals and crime, and interacting with ward bosses and minor political figures familiarizes one with the underbelly of society.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 03:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I also just thought of Mollie Hemingway and Salena Zito. &quot; - Rufus

Excellent, of course.
I should have thought of them myself.
Their work is always worth perusing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I also just thought of Mollie Hemingway and Salena Zito. &#8221; &#8211; Rufus</p>
<p>Excellent, of course.<br />
I should have thought of them myself.<br />
Their work is always worth perusing.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 00:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aggie,

I think you&#039;ll appreciate the post written by Sarah Hoyt that I referenced above. She makes your point, along with a few other variants. Here&#039;s the link again, https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/01/14/how-to-read-the-news-in-totalitarianism/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aggie,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll appreciate the post written by Sarah Hoyt that I referenced above. She makes your point, along with a few other variants. Here&#8217;s the link again, <a href="https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/01/14/how-to-read-the-news-in-totalitarianism/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/01/14/how-to-read-the-news-in-totalitarianism/</a></p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2021 23:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Neo 15:17:   I think you indirectly referred to something that&#039;s a good strategy to follow, when re-coding one&#039;s mind to process the products of the modern media.  

In much the same way as free Social Media provides content to lure &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; in further (as the unstated-but-intended  product), modern media lures people in with provocative content in order to provoke an outward response, thus perpetuating the news cycle.  I&#039;ve re-programmed myself;  when I see the &#039;anonymous source&#039; motif making an appearance, I immediately disregard the material as salient information, and instead interpret it as a device for pointing the story in a certain direction.  Often, the direction is toward &#039;Outrage&#039;, or some other idea engineered to influence the attendant expected response.  One has to take the &#039;Mentat&#039; approach sometimes when trying to understand the purpose of so much reporting.  It&#039;s a good start to assume it is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; about the story itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neo 15:17:   I think you indirectly referred to something that&#8217;s a good strategy to follow, when re-coding one&#8217;s mind to process the products of the modern media.  </p>
<p>In much the same way as free Social Media provides content to lure <i>you</i> in further (as the unstated-but-intended  product), modern media lures people in with provocative content in order to provoke an outward response, thus perpetuating the news cycle.  I&#8217;ve re-programmed myself;  when I see the &#8216;anonymous source&#8217; motif making an appearance, I immediately disregard the material as salient information, and instead interpret it as a device for pointing the story in a certain direction.  Often, the direction is toward &#8216;Outrage&#8217;, or some other idea engineered to influence the attendant expected response.  One has to take the &#8216;Mentat&#8217; approach sometimes when trying to understand the purpose of so much reporting.  It&#8217;s a good start to assume it is <i>not</i> about the story itself.</p>
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