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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/01/13/the-house-votes-to-impeach-trump/#comment-2535755</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If people fought before the election, would Bauxite have supported it?

Perhaps it would be declared as &quot;unAmerican&quot;?

Now Americans realize how deep the problem is. First, they just thought it was a minor leak. But in truth, it was not a minor leak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people fought before the election, would Bauxite have supported it?</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be declared as &#8220;unAmerican&#8221;?</p>
<p>Now Americans realize how deep the problem is. First, they just thought it was a minor leak. But in truth, it was not a minor leak.</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Responding to neo -

I think you need to give a bit more slack to the GOP reps who voted for impeachment. There are still a lot of people in the right coalition who value the continuity of our basic institutions. If we lose our institutions, then we have a free for all. The chances are very slim that today&#039;s population would support (or that today&#039;s elite would allow) anything like the freedoms of the Bill of Rights, especially the 1st and 2nd Amendment. (Recall RBG suggesting that countries not model their constitutions on ours.)

Trump&#039;s major sin since the election has been his attacks on institutions. The simple reality is that the time to fight election fraud is before the election. (See comments above re NC.) Once the votes are counted, it is profoundly difficult to convince a court to throw out votes or overturn an election. After Trump predictably failed in court, there was no plausible path to changing the election result. Putting pressure on state legislatures did nothing but create precedent to weaken the Electoral College, which is already teetering. Challenging the certification process did nothing but give bipartisan reinforcement to the damaging precedent that Democrats have created over the past few cycles. 

Trump&#039;s final offense was pressuring Pence to reject the EC results, which Pence had no power to do. Trump fired up a crowd to pressure the Republican VP to take an unconstitutional action that would have plunged the country into the most serious Constitutional crisis since 1860. That, for me and a lot of others in the Republican coalition, is an impeachable offense that cannot be ignored.

Of course Democrats actually introduced articles with their very questionable and incandescently hypocritical &quot;incitement of insurrection&quot; charge. So what was the right thing to do for House Rs? They could vote for an impeachment that was warranted, but stated the wrong reasons. They could vote against impeachment on the grounds that it wasn&#039;t for the correct reasons. They could introduce their own articles of impeachment or censure resolution citing the right reasons, or they could do what McCarthy did and talk about the censure resolution that would have been appropriate without actually doing anything.

None of those options are particularly palatable. I honestly don&#039;t know what I would have done if I were in that situation. The message to Trump-skeptical Rs over the past four years is that we have to choose the lesser evil. I think 10 House Republicans may have done just that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to neo &#8211;</p>
<p>I think you need to give a bit more slack to the GOP reps who voted for impeachment. There are still a lot of people in the right coalition who value the continuity of our basic institutions. If we lose our institutions, then we have a free for all. The chances are very slim that today&#8217;s population would support (or that today&#8217;s elite would allow) anything like the freedoms of the Bill of Rights, especially the 1st and 2nd Amendment. (Recall RBG suggesting that countries not model their constitutions on ours.)</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s major sin since the election has been his attacks on institutions. The simple reality is that the time to fight election fraud is before the election. (See comments above re NC.) Once the votes are counted, it is profoundly difficult to convince a court to throw out votes or overturn an election. After Trump predictably failed in court, there was no plausible path to changing the election result. Putting pressure on state legislatures did nothing but create precedent to weaken the Electoral College, which is already teetering. Challenging the certification process did nothing but give bipartisan reinforcement to the damaging precedent that Democrats have created over the past few cycles. </p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s final offense was pressuring Pence to reject the EC results, which Pence had no power to do. Trump fired up a crowd to pressure the Republican VP to take an unconstitutional action that would have plunged the country into the most serious Constitutional crisis since 1860. That, for me and a lot of others in the Republican coalition, is an impeachable offense that cannot be ignored.</p>
<p>Of course Democrats actually introduced articles with their very questionable and incandescently hypocritical &#8220;incitement of insurrection&#8221; charge. So what was the right thing to do for House Rs? They could vote for an impeachment that was warranted, but stated the wrong reasons. They could vote against impeachment on the grounds that it wasn&#8217;t for the correct reasons. They could introduce their own articles of impeachment or censure resolution citing the right reasons, or they could do what McCarthy did and talk about the censure resolution that would have been appropriate without actually doing anything.</p>
<p>None of those options are particularly palatable. I honestly don&#8217;t know what I would have done if I were in that situation. The message to Trump-skeptical Rs over the past four years is that we have to choose the lesser evil. I think 10 House Republicans may have done just that.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/01/13/the-house-votes-to-impeach-trump/#comment-2535727</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2021 04:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am Spartacus, your facts aren&#039;t logical, which means your mentality is in error due to emotional analysis methods.

&lt;b&gt;Fake Trump protesters. A few young men wearing Trump or MAGA hats backwards and who did not fit in with the rest of the crowd in terms of their actions and demeanor, whom I presumed to be Antifa or other leftist agitators; and&lt;/b&gt;

Read that line again. &quot;Fake T red protesters&quot;

Now convert that into &quot;Fake Q Anons&quot;.

That&#039;s a fact you have to live with, but you aren&#039;t aware of it, so you think you can just believe in the fake news. People are still mind controlled by the fake news, as usual.

Also read the word &quot;presumed&quot;.

https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2021/01/11/apparently-people-desire-a-q-anon-briefing/ This is what Q is and has been. A bunch of posts on 8 kun, analyzed by anons and others in the conspiracy world.

Who told you there was Q Anon? The fake news. Who told you what Q Anon was? The fake news.

Have you interviewed a single real Q or Anon yet? Or did you just &quot;presume&quot; to know because of your mental programming as a slave, Spartacus. Are you Spartacus or a slave?

&lt;b&gt;Disciplined, uniformed column of attackers. A column of organized, disciplined men, wearing similar but not identical camouflage uniforms and black gear, some with helmets and GoPro cameras or wearing subdued Punisher skull patches.&lt;/b&gt;

So disciplined they were working with Antifa... why.

Do conservative brains still work or has 2020 and 2021 broken you?

&lt;b&gt;Narrative C is factual. Live with it.&lt;/b&gt;

The New York Times is factual, live with it?

Maybe you should read up on the new firing squad punishments for treason, son.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Spartacus, your facts aren&#8217;t logical, which means your mentality is in error due to emotional analysis methods.</p>
<p><b>Fake Trump protesters. A few young men wearing Trump or MAGA hats backwards and who did not fit in with the rest of the crowd in terms of their actions and demeanor, whom I presumed to be Antifa or other leftist agitators; and</b></p>
<p>Read that line again. &#8220;Fake T red protesters&#8221;</p>
<p>Now convert that into &#8220;Fake Q Anons&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a fact you have to live with, but you aren&#8217;t aware of it, so you think you can just believe in the fake news. People are still mind controlled by the fake news, as usual.</p>
<p>Also read the word &#8220;presumed&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2021/01/11/apparently-people-desire-a-q-anon-briefing/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2021/01/11/apparently-people-desire-a-q-anon-briefing/</a> This is what Q is and has been. A bunch of posts on 8 kun, analyzed by anons and others in the conspiracy world.</p>
<p>Who told you there was Q Anon? The fake news. Who told you what Q Anon was? The fake news.</p>
<p>Have you interviewed a single real Q or Anon yet? Or did you just &#8220;presume&#8221; to know because of your mental programming as a slave, Spartacus. Are you Spartacus or a slave?</p>
<p><b>Disciplined, uniformed column of attackers. A column of organized, disciplined men, wearing similar but not identical camouflage uniforms and black gear, some with helmets and GoPro cameras or wearing subdued Punisher skull patches.</b></p>
<p>So disciplined they were working with Antifa&#8230; why.</p>
<p>Do conservative brains still work or has 2020 and 2021 broken you?</p>
<p><b>Narrative C is factual. Live with it.</b></p>
<p>The New York Times is factual, live with it?</p>
<p>Maybe you should read up on the new firing squad punishments for treason, son.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2021 04:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod, would you like T Red and the US Q military to launc hte Pinochet option?

This is a serious question, as I understand the ramifications either way.

How far do Americans have to go, before they approve Pinochet?

I told GB before that the Left would create a &quot;mass casualty&quot; event numbering in the hundreds of thousands, even millions, to get rid of your guns.

This was way before 2019 and 2020. Ymar strikes again.

&lt;b&gt;Dons on January 14, 2021 at 9:13 pm said:
I wouldn’t call Q people far right. From what I understand Q started with theories of pedophile rings, but mostly was based on the idea that there was a deep investigation into corrupt government officials. It required you to believe there were honest people working behind the scenes.&lt;/b&gt;

Where did people get this information from though?

Fake news. Not entirely inaccurate, but mostly inaccurate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod, would you like T Red and the US Q military to launc hte Pinochet option?</p>
<p>This is a serious question, as I understand the ramifications either way.</p>
<p>How far do Americans have to go, before they approve Pinochet?</p>
<p>I told GB before that the Left would create a &#8220;mass casualty&#8221; event numbering in the hundreds of thousands, even millions, to get rid of your guns.</p>
<p>This was way before 2019 and 2020. Ymar strikes again.</p>
<p><b>Dons on January 14, 2021 at 9:13 pm said:<br />
I wouldn’t call Q people far right. From what I understand Q started with theories of pedophile rings, but mostly was based on the idea that there was a deep investigation into corrupt government officials. It required you to believe there were honest people working behind the scenes.</b></p>
<p>Where did people get this information from though?</p>
<p>Fake news. Not entirely inaccurate, but mostly inaccurate.</p>
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		By: FD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2021 02:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s very sad that politics went so downe in the US, usually, in some there world we see politician fighting each other and when they get the seats they start revenge from most personal from another side.
Today in US politics we can see clearly this happens driven by personal hatred and jealous by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkfI8UXEAEr6cp?format=jpg&#038;name=900x900&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;House Speaker Nancy Pelosi &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; (look to her face).

I hope some wise men in the US will hold this woman she by far driven by hatred, not bu the will of the US public.

on the other side, we hear some wild voice attacking Pres. Trump, &lt;a HREF=&quot;https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/01/13/rep-ilhan-omar-urges-impeachment-on-house-floor-we-as-a-nation-can-no-longer-look-away/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Rep. Ilhan Omar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We as a nation can no longer look away. The president not only incited an insurrection against a government but has, in word and deed, led a rebellion.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did she look to her follow Biden and Hunter Courrptions that all over the world?

What&#039;s happing is she blind and deaf ignoring all that said about Hunter and his relation to Biden?

Did she forgot she shaked hand with &quot;&lt;i&gt;For years, we have been asked to turn a blind eye to the criminality, corruption and blatant disregard to the rule of law by the tyrant president&lt;/i&gt;&quot; ?

&lt;i&gt;For years, we have been asked to turn a blind eye to the criminality, corruption and blatant disregard to the rule of law by the tyrant president&lt;/i&gt; ’ with &lt;a HREF=&quot;https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/ilhan-omars-appalling-collusion-with-turkeys-tyrant/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Turkey’s tyrant&lt;/a&gt; In 2017, Omar (then a Minnesota state representative) met with Turkish President Recep Tayyip

more, US congresswoman Omar criticized for refusing to back &lt;a HREF=&quot;https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2019/10/31/US-congresswoman-Omar-criticized-for-refusing-to-back-Armenian-Genocide-bill&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Armenian&lt;/a&gt; Genocide bill


This bizarre and laughable statement by a member who supports tyrant and corrupted regimes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very sad that politics went so downe in the US, usually, in some there world we see politician fighting each other and when they get the seats they start revenge from most personal from another side.<br />
Today in US politics we can see clearly this happens driven by personal hatred and jealous by <b><a HREF="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkfI8UXEAEr6cp?format=jpg&amp;name=900x900" rel="nofollow ugc">House Speaker Nancy Pelosi </a></b> (look to her face).</p>
<p>I hope some wise men in the US will hold this woman she by far driven by hatred, not bu the will of the US public.</p>
<p>on the other side, we hear some wild voice attacking Pres. Trump, <a HREF="https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/01/13/rep-ilhan-omar-urges-impeachment-on-house-floor-we-as-a-nation-can-no-longer-look-away/" rel="nofollow ugc">Rep. Ilhan Omar</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We as a nation can no longer look away. The president not only incited an insurrection against a government but has, in word and deed, led a rebellion.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Did she look to her follow Biden and Hunter Courrptions that all over the world?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s happing is she blind and deaf ignoring all that said about Hunter and his relation to Biden?</p>
<p>Did she forgot she shaked hand with &#8220;<i>For years, we have been asked to turn a blind eye to the criminality, corruption and blatant disregard to the rule of law by the tyrant president</i>&#8221; ?</p>
<p><i>For years, we have been asked to turn a blind eye to the criminality, corruption and blatant disregard to the rule of law by the tyrant president</i> ’ with <a HREF="https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/ilhan-omars-appalling-collusion-with-turkeys-tyrant/" rel="nofollow ugc">Turkey’s tyrant</a> In 2017, Omar (then a Minnesota state representative) met with Turkish President Recep Tayyip</p>
<p>more, US congresswoman Omar criticized for refusing to back <a HREF="https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2019/10/31/US-congresswoman-Omar-criticized-for-refusing-to-back-Armenian-Genocide-bill" rel="nofollow ugc">Armenian</a> Genocide bill</p>
<p>This bizarre and laughable statement by a member who supports tyrant and corrupted regimes</p>
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		By: Dons		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2021 02:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn’t call Q people far right. From what I understand Q started with theories of pedophile rings, but mostly was based on the idea that there was a deep investigation into corrupt government officials. It required you to believe there were honest people working behind the scenes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn’t call Q people far right. From what I understand Q started with theories of pedophile rings, but mostly was based on the idea that there was a deep investigation into corrupt government officials. It required you to believe there were honest people working behind the scenes.</p>
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		By: I am Spartacus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I am Spartacus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bauxite @1:15 - Well educated people who expect urban smooth talking cool talkers absolutely loath Trump.  They prefer a teleprompter reader to someone who actually gets stuff done.  He offends their world view of who can get anything done.  A reason is that they have tended to be insulated from the impact of the hollowing out of America.  Many of them have advanced degrees, know citizens of other countries and have traveled abroad.  Their world is comfortable.....for the moment.

As Instapundit said, Trump&#039;s opponents takes his words literally while his fans take his words suggestively.  

There is a struggle between the Nationalist Populists and Global Corporatist within the Republican party while there is a struggle with the totalitarian Tech Overloads vs. the Communists in the Democratic Party.  Like Jackson in the 1820&#039;s the Nationalist Populists will win.  There are too many of us.  Also after 2 years of Biden rule many people will come back.  The only reason that the Blue states did well is that the Trump economy buoyed them.  Politics are dynamic.  The Democrat Party is the one in trouble much more than the Republican party.  

Here is another article about the changing party.  Note the mention of many Trump supporters this cycle.  For a man who was repudiated by the nation he sure had a lot of acolytes get elected like Lauren Boebert and Madison Cawthorn who will join the likes of Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes and Matt Gaetz.   And that just the national scene.  Many many many state legislators are also in place.

https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2021/01/14/establishment-republicans-want-to-wash-trump-out-of-their-hair-but-the-dye-is-permanent-now-n309952]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bauxite @1:15 &#8211; Well educated people who expect urban smooth talking cool talkers absolutely loath Trump.  They prefer a teleprompter reader to someone who actually gets stuff done.  He offends their world view of who can get anything done.  A reason is that they have tended to be insulated from the impact of the hollowing out of America.  Many of them have advanced degrees, know citizens of other countries and have traveled abroad.  Their world is comfortable&#8230;..for the moment.</p>
<p>As Instapundit said, Trump&#8217;s opponents takes his words literally while his fans take his words suggestively.  </p>
<p>There is a struggle between the Nationalist Populists and Global Corporatist within the Republican party while there is a struggle with the totalitarian Tech Overloads vs. the Communists in the Democratic Party.  Like Jackson in the 1820&#8217;s the Nationalist Populists will win.  There are too many of us.  Also after 2 years of Biden rule many people will come back.  The only reason that the Blue states did well is that the Trump economy buoyed them.  Politics are dynamic.  The Democrat Party is the one in trouble much more than the Republican party.  </p>
<p>Here is another article about the changing party.  Note the mention of many Trump supporters this cycle.  For a man who was repudiated by the nation he sure had a lot of acolytes get elected like Lauren Boebert and Madison Cawthorn who will join the likes of Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes and Matt Gaetz.   And that just the national scene.  Many many many state legislators are also in place.</p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2021/01/14/establishment-republicans-want-to-wash-trump-out-of-their-hair-but-the-dye-is-permanent-now-n309952" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2021/01/14/establishment-republicans-want-to-wash-trump-out-of-their-hair-but-the-dye-is-permanent-now-n309952</a></p>
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		By: I am Spartacus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley - you have a way of injecting some classic rock refrains into the topic.  Mazel Tov.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley &#8211; you have a way of injecting some classic rock refrains into the topic.  Mazel Tov.</p>
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		By: I am Spartacus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate - thanks for the clarification on NC.  I agree about cleaning up the election mess so it doesn&#039;t repeat in 2022 and 2024.  That is why I am active with like minded people to work towards this end.  What I witnessed and endured this election makes me determined.  I concur with your solutions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate &#8211; thanks for the clarification on NC.  I agree about cleaning up the election mess so it doesn&#8217;t repeat in 2022 and 2024.  That is why I am active with like minded people to work towards this end.  What I witnessed and endured this election makes me determined.  I concur with your solutions.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo: 

Thanks!

Seems like there&#039;s a whole lotta incitin&#039; goin&#039; on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo: </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Seems like there&#8217;s a whole lotta incitin&#8217; goin&#8217; on&#8230;</p>
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