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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/12/29/when-lies-become-obligatory/#comment-2533385</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2021 11:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re Artfldgr, thanks neo, all!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Artfldgr, thanks neo, all!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/12/29/when-lies-become-obligatory/#comment-2533380</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2021 09:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Nancy B&#039;s comment - a good essay on personal responsibility versus government &#038; socially coerced guilt-tripping:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/30/we-cant-get-back-to-normal-if-people-think-spreading-covid-equals-murder/
&quot;...we must also return responsibility to individuals for their own wellbeing, understanding that sometimes tragedy strikes, and death and heartache are part of life. There is no “normal” until we do.&quot;

It struck me that this conclusion is the crux of the battle between the Left and the Right, not only over Covid restrictions but everything else the author used as an example: it states the core of the conservative &#038; religious position, which is diametrically opposite to the progressive &#038; atheist/secularist position, which is that nothing &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; do has any consequences, especially negative ones; that tragedy should be non-existent in the world; and that their &quot;heartaches&quot; are always someone else&#039;s fault. The death part is your fault too.

None of those progressive propositions are &quot;normal&quot; -- that is, applicable to the situations of most people at most times in the history of the world. They are &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; the norm; they are not even in the far tail of the life-situations distribution.
They don&#039;t even exist in some alternative-universe, because they are intrinsically impossible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Nancy B&#8217;s comment &#8211; a good essay on personal responsibility versus government &amp; socially coerced guilt-tripping:</p>
<p><a href="https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/30/we-cant-get-back-to-normal-if-people-think-spreading-covid-equals-murder/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/30/we-cant-get-back-to-normal-if-people-think-spreading-covid-equals-murder/</a><br />
&#8220;&#8230;we must also return responsibility to individuals for their own wellbeing, understanding that sometimes tragedy strikes, and death and heartache are part of life. There is no “normal” until we do.&#8221;</p>
<p>It struck me that this conclusion is the crux of the battle between the Left and the Right, not only over Covid restrictions but everything else the author used as an example: it states the core of the conservative &amp; religious position, which is diametrically opposite to the progressive &amp; atheist/secularist position, which is that nothing <em>they</em> do has any consequences, especially negative ones; that tragedy should be non-existent in the world; and that their &#8220;heartaches&#8221; are always someone else&#8217;s fault. The death part is your fault too.</p>
<p>None of those progressive propositions are &#8220;normal&#8221; &#8212; that is, applicable to the situations of most people at most times in the history of the world. They are <em>not</em> the norm; they are not even in the far tail of the life-situations distribution.<br />
They don&#8217;t even exist in some alternative-universe, because they are intrinsically impossible.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/12/29/when-lies-become-obligatory/#comment-2533379</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2021 09:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From David&#039;s &quot;Lynching and Witch-trials&quot; (written in 2017)

&quot;Can anyone doubt that, with the ideology of “progressivism” becoming increasingly intolerant, ever-larger numbers of people will be denied jobs, promotions, &lt;b&gt;college admissions,&lt;/b&gt; based on opinions that they have expressed in a Facebook post or a blog post at some point in their lives?&quot;

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/29/the-new-york-times-using-its-reporting-resources-to-weaponize-teen-drama-is-a-scary-trend/
&quot;At 15, Mimi Groves said the n-word word in an attempt to be &#039;cool,&#039; and the video sat for years. It wasn&#039;t until it was weaponized against her that anyone cared at all.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From David&#8217;s &#8220;Lynching and Witch-trials&#8221; (written in 2017)</p>
<p>&#8220;Can anyone doubt that, with the ideology of “progressivism” becoming increasingly intolerant, ever-larger numbers of people will be denied jobs, promotions, <b>college admissions,</b> based on opinions that they have expressed in a Facebook post or a blog post at some point in their lives?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/29/the-new-york-times-using-its-reporting-resources-to-weaponize-teen-drama-is-a-scary-trend/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/29/the-new-york-times-using-its-reporting-resources-to-weaponize-teen-drama-is-a-scary-trend/</a><br />
&#8220;At 15, Mimi Groves said the n-word word in an attempt to be &#8216;cool,&#8217; and the video sat for years. It wasn&#8217;t until it was weaponized against her that anyone cared at all.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/12/29/when-lies-become-obligatory/#comment-2533364</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2021 06:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m concerned that parker has been absent since late October, hope he is well.&quot; - om

I was relieved to see Artfldgr surface after a hiatus; perhaps parker will also.

Things are so crazy now, maybe it&#039;s a good idea to take a break from time to time.
This is my &quot;New Year&#039;s Eve&quot; card - may the coming year see us breaking out of the Venn Diagram of Dystopias!

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/12/image051.jpg?w=557&#038;ssl=1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m concerned that parker has been absent since late October, hope he is well.&#8221; &#8211; om</p>
<p>I was relieved to see Artfldgr surface after a hiatus; perhaps parker will also.</p>
<p>Things are so crazy now, maybe it&#8217;s a good idea to take a break from time to time.<br />
This is my &#8220;New Year&#8217;s Eve&#8221; card &#8211; may the coming year see us breaking out of the Venn Diagram of Dystopias!</p>
<p><a href="https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/12/image051.jpg?w=557&#038;ssl=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/12/image051.jpg?w=557&#038;ssl=1</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2021 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m concerned that parker has been absent since late October, hope he is well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m concerned that parker has been absent since late October, hope he is well.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2021 00:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TJ:

Artfldgr has been commenting much less frequently, but he has still been commenting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ:</p>
<p>Artfldgr has been commenting much less frequently, but he has still been commenting.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/12/29/when-lies-become-obligatory/#comment-2533318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have not seen the other “Art” (uselessnothing?) posting here in a while. Am I mistaken?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have not seen the other “Art” (uselessnothing?) posting here in a while. Am I mistaken?</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/12/29/when-lies-become-obligatory/#comment-2533240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2020 07:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Total agreement with this last point (phrased as a question). 
See you later!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total agreement with this last point (phrased as a question).<br />
See you later!</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[M J R,

I think most of this is known, but some medical professionals, politicians and journalists don&#039;t like what is known, so it is obfuscated or muddled. The data indicate there is almost no risk of mortality or morbidity to the young (under 40) and healthy. Yet young and healthy are locked down and masked along with at risk groups.

What data supports that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M J R,</p>
<p>I think most of this is known, but some medical professionals, politicians and journalists don&#8217;t like what is known, so it is obfuscated or muddled. The data indicate there is almost no risk of mortality or morbidity to the young (under 40) and healthy. Yet young and healthy are locked down and masked along with at risk groups.</p>
<p>What data supports that?</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly (10:25 pm) concludes, &quot;with the millions of positive cases and hundreds of thousands (?) of hospital admissions and hundreds of thousands of man hours of lab study on this thing this is all certainly known, or at least, knowable.&quot; 

There&#039;s a lot of unknown quantities in there:  x, q, y, j, z, d, h, f, p, i, u.

In principle, given enough research-hours, possibly knowable.  But once this situation is finally resolved, if it ever is, will those research-hours then be devoted (diverted?) to the next crisis?  If so, will what&#039;s &quot;knowable&quot; in principle end up being left to guesstimates from &quot;experts&quot;? -- which is exactly where we are right now.

Anyway, thanks for sticking with this thread and responding.  And no offense taken at all!  (Medical / biological subject matter is one of my weak points.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus T. Firefly (10:25 pm) concludes, &#8220;with the millions of positive cases and hundreds of thousands (?) of hospital admissions and hundreds of thousands of man hours of lab study on this thing this is all certainly known, or at least, knowable.&#8221; </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of unknown quantities in there:  x, q, y, j, z, d, h, f, p, i, u.</p>
<p>In principle, given enough research-hours, possibly knowable.  But once this situation is finally resolved, if it ever is, will those research-hours then be devoted (diverted?) to the next crisis?  If so, will what&#8217;s &#8220;knowable&#8221; in principle end up being left to guesstimates from &#8220;experts&#8221;? &#8212; which is exactly where we are right now.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for sticking with this thread and responding.  And no offense taken at all!  (Medical / biological subject matter is one of my weak points.)</p>
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