Ah.

Sorry, I wasn’t so much referencing Taylor Marshall’s videos, which admittedly suffer from the difficulties you describe. (If you want to see him get to the point a little better, look at the early “TnT” clips with Timothy Gordon, who was a little more blunt and on-point, albeit very casual, not at all slickly professional.)

I was actually referencing Marshall’s book Infiltration, which takes on precisely the issues described by Malachi Martin in his various Buckley appearances, and also in the plot of Martin’s “faction” novel, Windswept House, the first half of which is merely Martin’s attempt at an exposé of real-world events, and in which so many characters are thinly-disguised depictions of real-world prelates.

Marshall’s thesis is that what we now experience as general encroaching leftism, desacralized worldview, moral and ontological relativism, sentimentalism, and indifferentism is the long-term consequence of damage done to the culture for the last 150 years as a result of conscious infiltration of the institutional churches by hostile outsiders: Folk who snuck in under-the-radar and, once ensconced, consciously promoted “their own” through the ranks.

Marshall blames what we’d today call “the left” for the first wave of infiltration and subversion of Christian doctrine in favor of leftism. But “the left” has shifted over the years. He asserts (and documents) that the Italian Masonic societies were the groups on “the left” that initially acted to infiltrate the Catholic Church’s hierarchy and seminaries, but that over time the importance of secret societies faded (even as their agenda became victorious) because, just as intended, their ideological agenda became the default culture of the Western World. (Why bother joining an irrelevant secret society when all your neighbors hold the same views that you do, openly and publicly?)

One has to be careful about “New World Order” ranting, lest one sound like a loon. Still, Marshall traces the relevance of the changes in the liturgy and shows (pretty convincingly) that a lot of the guys from 1890-1980 who subverted liturgy and doctrine in the Catholic hierarchy, particularly Novus Ordo author Annibale Bugnini, were also card-carrying members of Masonic lodges (an excommunicable no-no). That detail allows the reader to see that it was less a matter of serious Catholics having an internal squabble about how best to evangelize the modern world, and more about actual infiltration by non-believing and ideologically-hostile outsiders.

Anyway, Gramscian damage is the familiar recurring motif, whether you’re talking about churches or universities or the arts or popular culture. Robert Conquest was correct: Any organization that doesn’t self-consciously identify as right wing eventually becomes leftist. Infiltration (and in a different way, Windswept House) are about how the drift isn’t as organic and random as we sometimes suppose, but are a result of active skullduggery.

Re: “great infiltration”: Dr. Taylor Marshall approves.

(And, basically, so do I: Whatever the etiology, leftism conquered our educational system, including the parochial, less as a political movement than as a substitute religion.)”

Hi. I don’t know much about Taylor Marshall. I have seen his videos recommended on YouTube when I was perusing various religion themed videos, but found myself unable – despite his apparent erudition – to watch him. This, for much the same reason I cannot watch the meandering, back-tracing, self-interrupting Sean Hannity. In the videos I tried to watch, Marshall had some cohort on who just could not seem to spit it out.

There is a big difference between being able to formulate ideas and criticisms, and being able to get it out fluidly in real time. The infamous Rush Limbaugh has excelled at that. No hemming, no hawing, no uhhs, and umms.

To the substance of your point. Here, is a well known, and probably previously referenced by me here before, video of a Firing Line episode from the early 80’s.

It will certainly stretch beyond even Neo’s C.S. Lewis quoting ecumenical interests. But for Christians in general, especially those who have knowledge of, or remember to some extent the celebration of the “sacred sensibility” pre Vatican II mass, it will be extremely edifying … if they can watch the whole thing. I have watched it through several times now, and it was only after several views that the full profundity of the change in orientation, as opposed to mere vernacular adjustment fully set in.

The Kumbaya shouting mutual hand sniffing stuff was not just an accident. It was deliberately introduced to set the agenda, as well as to appeal to a specific communitarian sensibility.

Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: The Fight over Catholic Orthodoxy
Michael Davies, Joseph Champlin, Malachi Martin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPQaQ1Gn5U

Davies, whatever his virtues or defects as a Catholic, provides one of the most impressive critiques and rebuttals given during a discussion that I have ever seen. It is clear that he is a confident master of his material in detail as he deconstructs Champlain’s Versus populum vs ad Orientem fake “history”.

I shall now also quote the historian James Hitchcock quoting the scandalous, (now admittedly) homosexual, former Archbishop of Milwaukee Rembert Weakland from when he was a mere “liturgist” in the 1960’s.

You can be a complete atheist and appreciate this:

Hitchcock, from “The Liturgical Revolution, The Recovery of the Sacred”, quotes Weakland, saying:

” …worship … ‘is to be primarily the communal sensitivity that I am one with my brother next to me and that our song is our common twentieth-century situation….’ He urged that sacred music ‘deny her exalted position of being a ‘telephone to the beyond’…”

The problem of truth versus emotion runs deep across many social domains.

Re: “great infiltration”: Dr. Taylor Marshall approves.

(And, basically, so do I: Whatever the etiology, leftism conquered our educational system, including the parochial, less as a political movement than as a substitute religion.)

“Again, think of my example with homeschooling. Yes, we are forced to fund the Teacher’s Unions through our property taxes, but if the school districts suddenly have 20%, 30% fewer students, overnight, how can the city, county and state budgets vote to fund the now bloated administration?”

People are being forced to virtually home school now using school district plans and hookups, and finding it a failure without direct parental involvement. Perhaps that will start some thinking.

I have a neighbor, who home schools 5 children, 2 additional being too young yet. Admittedly, they may be unusual, especially in her comittment as a mother. But as a graduate nurse and degreed music teacher, she is competent to the task; and with the support of their parents and their evangelical church organization’s home schooling supplement classes, they manage.

The kids are the most vigorous and normal I have met since my own childhood days. Possibly better, since they watch almost no television – i.e., they have no exposure to Hollywood – either.

This may not be the place to bemoan the status of parochial education as an alternative but imagine what might have been possible if there had not been a great infiltration and collapse of the relevant institutions into the communitarian, rather than the sacred, beforehand.

Yes. We are buying them the ballots they are killing us with. We are paying them to serve up sewerage on a plate and throw it in our faces.

Just imagine if this Christmas, even anticipating Covid related declines, these companies registered significant and unanticipated further losses.

YouTube and Amazon will be the toughest, in my estimation.

Amazon, because it has successfully induced selles to aggregate with their direct competitors, and gotten them to provide free shipping even as shipping costs have risen.

I was pricing planer mills recently [ hobby size, not commercial] and even on sale, the best non affiliated price I could find was significantly more than was found on Amazon. Independent catalog houses had better stop padding their bills with more than necessary shipping, and especially, handling, charges if they value their own independence.

But this also means we have to get uncomfortable with like-minded people. If you’re at a cocktail party and a friend who claims to be disgusted by the Dems corruption is railing about election fraud you have to stop them and say, “Your kids still go to the local, public schools, right? Why aren’t you using private, or home schooling?” It will get uncomfortable. They will make excuses. Then you’ll have to say, “I am sorry. I know you are sincere, but if you are giving your kids to their system 8 hours a day, your very own children, well, it doesn’t seem like you really want things to change.”

Same thing when someone complains about the media. “Have you gotten rid of cable yet? Still have Netflix?”

You can be polite. You should be polite, but you have to spread the word.

Look, neo’s many posts and all of your informed comments show that our election votes don’t hold a lot of weight these days. Our dollar votes still do. Every dollar you spend is a vote. “I vote for this butter.” “I vote for this fast food chain.” “I vote for this automobile manufacturer.”

If you learned a margarine company was funding Hezbollah would you buy their oleo? What if the company was funding BLM? Sending huge donations to Democrat candidates and PACs?

Too busy to find out? That’s what the Left is banking on.

Not to be a scold, but if you fund CNN, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook… and yet you believe they are literally overturning our Republic…

Well, if Benedict Arnold had a store would you shop there? If Pol Pot had a social media platform would you put pictures of your cat there? Go there to “meet up” with old High School friends? If the Confederacy was selling bourbon to fund their war effort would you buy it?

I’m sorry, but if you sincerely believe this is a concerted effort to permanently limit and remove your rights you have to get serious and disassociate your resources from the enemy wherever possible. I am a very social, very tech savvy individual. I have a nice life. I have never been on Facebook. If I want to talk to someone from my High School I pick up a phone, or write a letter. I enjoy political discourse with bright people. I don’t use Twitter. I donate to Neo’s place and hang out here. I love sports. But ESPN was using my cable revenue and Nielsen ratings boost to damage the country I love even more than my beloved, Chicago Bears and White Sox, so I stopped watching and got ride of cable.

Spread the word. The Left has done this for decades. And it has been very effective. We have to get serious. We have to get active. And we have to stop paying those who wish us ill.

I assume you know this, but MSNBC and CNN are funded by everyone who has cable. Your cable company gives a share of your monthly payment to them.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/at-t-reportedly-shopping-cnn-because-ratings-will-take-a-hit-in-post-trump-era

AT&T is not in the business of losing money. No matter what Zucker or the news staff at CNN believe, or want, the more in the red we force those companies, the faster firings and changes will come.

And, again, I mean this respectfully, you are a very thoughtful commenter, but why is a financial boycott not preferable when you often write about actual, armed insurrection? Wouldn’t a year of trying the non-armed method be preferable?

Again, think of my example with homeschooling. Yes, we are forced to fund the Teacher’s Unions through our property taxes, but if the school districts suddenly have 20%, 30% fewer students, overnight, how can the city, county and state budgets vote to fund the now bloated administration? It would have to change. And rather quickly. The Left has no problem aggressively coming after Police funding. Rather than picking up a rifle and firing on Fort Sumter, wouldn’t it be easier to pull your kid out of school and teach her how to read, write and cipher?

Go Galt.