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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2020 16:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey&#039;s post is right on the money. Where do you reside, Tom?

But getting out to protest is not the answer. Democrats a) will not report it in their massively-controlled media, and b) it will not make a difference because Dems are power-hungry oppressors who will not be influenced by protests.

The Tree of Liberty needs to be watered in blood once again. The Union cannot survive as a republic.

Friends of mine are asking what countries to flee to. But the IRS has a 40% exit tax on all monies going abroad with those fleeing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey&#8217;s post is right on the money. Where do you reside, Tom?</p>
<p>But getting out to protest is not the answer. Democrats a) will not report it in their massively-controlled media, and b) it will not make a difference because Dems are power-hungry oppressors who will not be influenced by protests.</p>
<p>The Tree of Liberty needs to be watered in blood once again. The Union cannot survive as a republic.</p>
<p>Friends of mine are asking what countries to flee to. But the IRS has a 40% exit tax on all monies going abroad with those fleeing.</p>
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		By: Jack_of_Spades		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/20/i-propose-a-deprogramming-challenge-for-the-left/#comment-2526611</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack_of_Spades]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2020 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, we can get with the program or we can be de-programmed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we can get with the program or we can be de-programmed?</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2020 01:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune - thx for 20 sec idea.  As a Free Marketeer among Christian conservatives, my first thought was drug legalization, but it might not be so surprising to them. 
(In comments, if you backspace over the + and add a space again, the space will stay).

The elites need to lose and America needs to avoid the Dictatorship of the Deep State, which seems to be coming.

Only losing in court will start making them understand more.  Both legal courts AND the &quot;court of public opinion&quot;.  

Reps who think they&#039;d be willing to use their guns, later, but are unwilling to peacefully protest, NOW - they&#039;re mostly fooling themselves.  &quot;Fighting to the Death&quot; seems heroic and realistic when nobody you know has died in a losing fight where they knew, going into the fight, that they would lose.

Leftists will only fight seriously when they have some law, and especially law enforcement guns, on their side.  Like at Waco.

The Deep State will make laws, like gun registrations, and most Reps will be politically against them but won&#039;t violently resist if the 20 person SWAT team comes at 5am to &quot;enforce the law&quot;.

I love Neo&#039;s site, her blog posts, and most all of you comments.  But if you&#039;re in America, as I am not, you need to be going to protests.  Outside.  Against fraud. Against the dishonest gov&#039;t.

The Left doesn&#039;t need to understand Republicans if they just get power.  Please do all you can, physically and in communication and in organization, to get people out to protest.  This is not the time for big blog posting &#038; reading...  much as I love it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Van Dune &#8211; thx for 20 sec idea.  As a Free Marketeer among Christian conservatives, my first thought was drug legalization, but it might not be so surprising to them.<br />
(In comments, if you backspace over the + and add a space again, the space will stay).</p>
<p>The elites need to lose and America needs to avoid the Dictatorship of the Deep State, which seems to be coming.</p>
<p>Only losing in court will start making them understand more.  Both legal courts AND the &#8220;court of public opinion&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Reps who think they&#8217;d be willing to use their guns, later, but are unwilling to peacefully protest, NOW &#8211; they&#8217;re mostly fooling themselves.  &#8220;Fighting to the Death&#8221; seems heroic and realistic when nobody you know has died in a losing fight where they knew, going into the fight, that they would lose.</p>
<p>Leftists will only fight seriously when they have some law, and especially law enforcement guns, on their side.  Like at Waco.</p>
<p>The Deep State will make laws, like gun registrations, and most Reps will be politically against them but won&#8217;t violently resist if the 20 person SWAT team comes at 5am to &#8220;enforce the law&#8221;.</p>
<p>I love Neo&#8217;s site, her blog posts, and most all of you comments.  But if you&#8217;re in America, as I am not, you need to be going to protests.  Outside.  Against fraud. Against the dishonest gov&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The Left doesn&#8217;t need to understand Republicans if they just get power.  Please do all you can, physically and in communication and in organization, to get people out to protest.  This is not the time for big blog posting &amp; reading&#8230;  much as I love it.</p>
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		By: Bryan Lovely		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2020 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey -- 

Re: &quot;The on-line technique of demanding a cite or link is a key. If you don’t, you’re a liar. If you do….mox nix. Change the subject or call you a racist or a greedy something or other.&quot;

My experience is that they will just claim your source is biased, or in the pay of the oil/tobacco/firearms/whatever companies, and therefore all the meticulously gathered evidence is a lie.

That&#039;s the best outcome. In most cases they just accuse you of sealioning to their friends.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey &#8212; </p>
<p>Re: &#8220;The on-line technique of demanding a cite or link is a key. If you don’t, you’re a liar. If you do….mox nix. Change the subject or call you a racist or a greedy something or other.&#8221;</p>
<p>My experience is that they will just claim your source is biased, or in the pay of the oil/tobacco/firearms/whatever companies, and therefore all the meticulously gathered evidence is a lie.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the best outcome. In most cases they just accuse you of sealioning to their friends.</p>
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		By: John Guilfoyle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Guilfoyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Twitter-dude is lying. He doesn&#039;t want us deprogrammed. He wants us dead. He&#039;s just not ready to say that in public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter-dude is lying. He doesn&#8217;t want us deprogrammed. He wants us dead. He&#8217;s just not ready to say that in public.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/20/i-propose-a-deprogramming-challenge-for-the-left/#comment-2526493</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shadow, yep. Socialist = Someone who  wants everything you have, except your job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shadow, yep. Socialist = Someone who  wants everything you have, except your job.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/20/i-propose-a-deprogramming-challenge-for-the-left/#comment-2526466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2020 19:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deprogramming on the Left? 
Won&#039;t happen.
Can&#039;t happen.
Why? Because they MUST win at ALL COSTS, e.g.:
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1330209912652226560
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1330210206144491520
H/T Robert Barnes twitter feed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deprogramming on the Left?<br />
Won&#8217;t happen.<br />
Can&#8217;t happen.<br />
Why? Because they MUST win at ALL COSTS, e.g.:<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1330209912652226560" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1330209912652226560</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1330210206144491520" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1330210206144491520</a><br />
H/T Robert Barnes twitter feed.</p>
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		By: shadow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shadow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2020 19:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The progressives just want the government to guarantee everyone their own phone  and house.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The progressives just want the government to guarantee everyone their own phone  and house.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/20/i-propose-a-deprogramming-challenge-for-the-left/#comment-2526463</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2020 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My latest gambit for dealing with progressives is to ask them to give me their cell phone. When they refuse, I tell them that they have just proven they aren&#039;t socialists  because they believe in private property rights.  Ask them how they would feel if they had to share their phone with others. Ask them how they would feel if they had to share their car/truck with others. Ask them how they would feel if they weren&#039;t allowed to own a home because that would not be fair to others.   Ask them if they believe their ownership of their home should be protected by laws and courts. Ask them if they would work hard and save to own a home, if their ownership wasn&#039;t protected by law.  These questions can steer them to thinking about the foundation of capitalism, which is the ownership of property protected by laws and courts.  

Along a similar line you can ask them if their favorite football team should not play to win their games.  If they want their team to play hard to win, ask them why that is. This can lead to discussions about  meritocracy, why we believe in it, and why it&#039;s valuable to society. 

There are other questions about values that can be asked in a conversational way that might lead to some insights. It&#039;s worth a try.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My latest gambit for dealing with progressives is to ask them to give me their cell phone. When they refuse, I tell them that they have just proven they aren&#8217;t socialists  because they believe in private property rights.  Ask them how they would feel if they had to share their phone with others. Ask them how they would feel if they had to share their car/truck with others. Ask them how they would feel if they weren&#8217;t allowed to own a home because that would not be fair to others.   Ask them if they believe their ownership of their home should be protected by laws and courts. Ask them if they would work hard and save to own a home, if their ownership wasn&#8217;t protected by law.  These questions can steer them to thinking about the foundation of capitalism, which is the ownership of property protected by laws and courts.  </p>
<p>Along a similar line you can ask them if their favorite football team should not play to win their games.  If they want their team to play hard to win, ask them why that is. This can lead to discussions about  meritocracy, why we believe in it, and why it&#8217;s valuable to society. </p>
<p>There are other questions about values that can be asked in a conversational way that might lead to some insights. It&#8217;s worth a try.</p>
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		By: shadow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shadow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2020 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tina is absolutely right that leftist indoctrination happens before college. Though I&#039;d say students pick up more leftist terminology (&quot;institutional racism,&quot; &quot;intersectionality,&quot; etc.) in college from (often required) introductory social science courses. There are quite a few reasons why young people enter college already holding fairly liberal views:

-High school history classes/textbooks are generally useless
-Children&#039;s TV channels are not exempt from leftist propaganda, and stars of children&#039;s TV shows promote liberal views 
-Young people watch CNN and read the NYT more than you think. If their parents have some &quot;mainstream&quot; news channel on every night, they&#039;re hearing at least some of it. And certainly they hear their parents discuss current events, too. Young people are also encouraged to study current events and politics for school projects or even just because they&#039;ll be praised by adults for having opinions, not that that&#039;s necessarily a bad thing, but it can lead them to reading the &quot;mainstream&quot; newspapers and magazines and watching the &quot;mainstream&quot; news and absorbing leftist views that way. 
-A superficial understanding of the Democratic Party platform makes Democrats sound &quot;nice&quot; and &quot;fair&quot; to children. 
-Lastly, look at the curricula for some of the best private prep schools. They all have websites that go into extensive detail about what they teach. Most of them are now dedicated to &quot;diversity,&quot; &quot;anti-racism,&quot; and &quot;allyship.&quot; These students then by and large go on to the most elite colleges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina is absolutely right that leftist indoctrination happens before college. Though I&#8217;d say students pick up more leftist terminology (&#8220;institutional racism,&#8221; &#8220;intersectionality,&#8221; etc.) in college from (often required) introductory social science courses. There are quite a few reasons why young people enter college already holding fairly liberal views:</p>
<p>-High school history classes/textbooks are generally useless<br />
-Children&#8217;s TV channels are not exempt from leftist propaganda, and stars of children&#8217;s TV shows promote liberal views<br />
-Young people watch CNN and read the NYT more than you think. If their parents have some &#8220;mainstream&#8221; news channel on every night, they&#8217;re hearing at least some of it. And certainly they hear their parents discuss current events, too. Young people are also encouraged to study current events and politics for school projects or even just because they&#8217;ll be praised by adults for having opinions, not that that&#8217;s necessarily a bad thing, but it can lead them to reading the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; newspapers and magazines and watching the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; news and absorbing leftist views that way.<br />
-A superficial understanding of the Democratic Party platform makes Democrats sound &#8220;nice&#8221; and &#8220;fair&#8221; to children.<br />
-Lastly, look at the curricula for some of the best private prep schools. They all have websites that go into extensive detail about what they teach. Most of them are now dedicated to &#8220;diversity,&#8221; &#8220;anti-racism,&#8221; and &#8220;allyship.&#8221; These students then by and large go on to the most elite colleges.</p>
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