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		By: Griffin		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The mask zealots simply cannot be deterred. Masks accomplish nothing outdoors unless in very tide conditions and even then it’s questionable. In places like stores it’s also questionable because you are simply not close enough for long enough while passing someone in an aisle. 

Where they MAY help some is in the home but the zealots know this is a bridge too far and even though a few have danced around requiring masks in the home they never go all the way. 

I mean why not require masks while sleeping or perhaps some governor can mandate no sleeping face to face with your significant other. 

Do it for grandma.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mask zealots simply cannot be deterred. Masks accomplish nothing outdoors unless in very tide conditions and even then it’s questionable. In places like stores it’s also questionable because you are simply not close enough for long enough while passing someone in an aisle. </p>
<p>Where they MAY help some is in the home but the zealots know this is a bridge too far and even though a few have danced around requiring masks in the home they never go all the way. </p>
<p>I mean why not require masks while sleeping or perhaps some governor can mandate no sleeping face to face with your significant other. </p>
<p>Do it for grandma.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 06:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something to keep in mind:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/414108/

Key grafs:
&quot;The ‘Lincoln Project’ doxxed the two Porter Wright lawyers who signed the Pennsylvania complaint, tweeting their pictures, addresses and telephone numbers, and encouraging leftists to harass them...

&quot;This harassment, which includes threats to the licenses of lawyers who represent Republican clients, is an unprecedented violation of political norms. But it’s also a tell.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to keep in mind:<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/414108/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/414108/</a></p>
<p>Key grafs:<br />
&#8220;The ‘Lincoln Project’ doxxed the two Porter Wright lawyers who signed the Pennsylvania complaint, tweeting their pictures, addresses and telephone numbers, and encouraging leftists to harass them&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;This harassment, which includes threats to the licenses of lawyers who represent Republican clients, is an unprecedented violation of political norms. But it’s also a tell.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 05:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage:

You don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;recall&lt;/i&gt; Trump saying people should wear a mask, but actually, Trump has had a complicated message regarding masks, and he&#039;s definitely recommended them quite a few times.  One thing he is not interested in is a universal mandate to wear them.  As far as Trump&#039;s attitude on masks goes, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-i-don-t-agree-cdc-director-s-mask-n1234253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;see this&lt;/a&gt; from July. In typical fashion, NBC says he&#039;s &quot;muddying&quot; his message, but if Obama had said exactly the same thing they&#039;d have called it &quot;nuanced.&quot; In that article, Trump seems to be saying that masks are good but they won&#039;t stop the epidemic, and that there are liberty issues involved as well in requiring them.  He adds that masks can cause harm if not used correctly, something that quite a few people have said as well.  For example, masks can give people a false sense of security so that they take more risks. &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435/rr-40&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a summary&lt;/a&gt; of some of the risks of masks, and I&#039;ve seen plenty of other health articles mentioning them as well.  

In addition, not only has the Fauci recommendation on masks changed from the early days of the pandemic, but Trump himself advocated them quite a long time ago.  I remember &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/31/824911705/fact-check-should-people-cover-their-faces-with-scarves-like-trump-said&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this from late March&lt;/a&gt;, when Trump talked about using scarves as masks and even demonstrated how to do it during a press conference, back during the time that Fauci was still not recommending masks.  Trump was even up-front about the fact that they didn&#039;t have enough masks and therefore were saving them for medical personnel, something that Fauci admitted later.

And I&#039;d highly recommend dropping your condescending  paternalism towards om&#039;s remarks - &quot;there there, little boy, be grateful that daddy Democrat is in charge.&quot;  You don&#039;t get what he&#039;s saying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage:</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t <i>recall</i> Trump saying people should wear a mask, but actually, Trump has had a complicated message regarding masks, and he&#8217;s definitely recommended them quite a few times.  One thing he is not interested in is a universal mandate to wear them.  As far as Trump&#8217;s attitude on masks goes, <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-i-don-t-agree-cdc-director-s-mask-n1234253" rel="nofollow ugc">see this</a> from July. In typical fashion, NBC says he&#8217;s &#8220;muddying&#8221; his message, but if Obama had said exactly the same thing they&#8217;d have called it &#8220;nuanced.&#8221; In that article, Trump seems to be saying that masks are good but they won&#8217;t stop the epidemic, and that there are liberty issues involved as well in requiring them.  He adds that masks can cause harm if not used correctly, something that quite a few people have said as well.  For example, masks can give people a false sense of security so that they take more risks. <a href="https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435/rr-40" rel="nofollow ugc">Here&#8217;s a summary</a> of some of the risks of masks, and I&#8217;ve seen plenty of other health articles mentioning them as well.  </p>
<p>In addition, not only has the Fauci recommendation on masks changed from the early days of the pandemic, but Trump himself advocated them quite a long time ago.  I remember <a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/31/824911705/fact-check-should-people-cover-their-faces-with-scarves-like-trump-said" rel="nofollow ugc">this from late March</a>, when Trump talked about using scarves as masks and even demonstrated how to do it during a press conference, back during the time that Fauci was still not recommending masks.  Trump was even up-front about the fact that they didn&#8217;t have enough masks and therefore were saving them for medical personnel, something that Fauci admitted later.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d highly recommend dropping your condescending  paternalism towards om&#8217;s remarks &#8211; &#8220;there there, little boy, be grateful that daddy Democrat is in charge.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t get what he&#8217;s saying.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 05:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage:

There is so much you are ignorant about.

Fatality rates do not justify King Jay&#039;s actions, as other commentors on this blog have pointed out (Bryan Lovely IIRC). 

Inslee is as much as clown as your Emperor. You wouldn&#039;t know sense if it was stapled to a 2x4 that smacked you in the forehead.  

Enjoy your lockdown and loss of work.  Sucks to be you in many ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage:</p>
<p>There is so much you are ignorant about.</p>
<p>Fatality rates do not justify King Jay&#8217;s actions, as other commentors on this blog have pointed out (Bryan Lovely IIRC). </p>
<p>Inslee is as much as clown as your Emperor. You wouldn&#8217;t know sense if it was stapled to a 2&#215;4 that smacked you in the forehead.  </p>
<p>Enjoy your lockdown and loss of work.  Sucks to be you in many ways.</p>
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		By: Montage		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 04:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Om
Your governor is in line with Newsom so I’m not sure what you are talking about.

“COVID-19 cases have doubled in Washington over the past two weeks. This puts our state in as dangerous a position today as we were in March,” Inslee said. “Limiting and reducing travel is one way to reduce further spread of the disease. I am happy to partner with California and Oregon in this effort to help protect lives up and down the West Coast.”

Good thing you have a Democratic governor and will continue to for a long time. He talks sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om<br />
Your governor is in line with Newsom so I’m not sure what you are talking about.</p>
<p>“COVID-19 cases have doubled in Washington over the past two weeks. This puts our state in as dangerous a position today as we were in March,” Inslee said. “Limiting and reducing travel is one way to reduce further spread of the disease. I am happy to partner with California and Oregon in this effort to help protect lives up and down the West Coast.”</p>
<p>Good thing you have a Democratic governor and will continue to for a long time. He talks sense.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/13/fraud-experts-speak/#comment-2525014</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 02:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage:

And make sure your mask fits, use it once, discard it correctly, don&#039;t touch it, and and  and, or it won&#039;t do squat for you or anyone else.  That&#039;s how they work in theory, but don&#039;t in practice.

Enjoy being locked down again by Emperor Nuisance, and don&#039;t think of coming to WA  or passing through OR.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage:</p>
<p>And make sure your mask fits, use it once, discard it correctly, don&#8217;t touch it, and and  and, or it won&#8217;t do squat for you or anyone else.  That&#8217;s how they work in theory, but don&#8217;t in practice.</p>
<p>Enjoy being locked down again by Emperor Nuisance, and don&#8217;t think of coming to WA  or passing through OR.</p>
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		By: Montage		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gringo
I’ll answer one of these because it matters today.

I don’t recall Trump saying we should definitively wear a mask. He has mocked people for it. Recently made fun of Biden and even Laura Ingraham for wearing one at a rally. So he is certainly not definitive about wearing one primarily because many of his followers want to flout ‘freedom’ about not covering their face. But you are incorrect about the WHO. What they said - and you can look it up - is that masks &lt;i&gt;alone&lt;/i&gt; are not enough. You also need to social distance, clean your hands, keep the masks clean and if possible wear one that has layers. Saying a mask is not enough absolutely does not mean don’t wear a mask.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo<br />
I’ll answer one of these because it matters today.</p>
<p>I don’t recall Trump saying we should definitively wear a mask. He has mocked people for it. Recently made fun of Biden and even Laura Ingraham for wearing one at a rally. So he is certainly not definitive about wearing one primarily because many of his followers want to flout ‘freedom’ about not covering their face. But you are incorrect about the WHO. What they said &#8211; and you can look it up &#8211; is that masks <i>alone</i> are not enough. You also need to social distance, clean your hands, keep the masks clean and if possible wear one that has layers. Saying a mask is not enough absolutely does not mean don’t wear a mask.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/13/fraud-experts-speak/#comment-2524973</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2020 21:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stan,

&quot;3. All inferences and presumptions should be resolved against the party that broke the laws and rules. If their secrecy, their refusals to follow court orders, their refusals to obey state laws, their refusals to adhere to the constitution, are what make it difficult to prove their fraud — we should be entitled to assume that the fraud was real.”

This.

Very well said. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan,</p>
<p>&#8220;3. All inferences and presumptions should be resolved against the party that broke the laws and rules. If their secrecy, their refusals to follow court orders, their refusals to obey state laws, their refusals to adhere to the constitution, are what make it difficult to prove their fraud — we should be entitled to assume that the fraud was real.”</p>
<p>This.</p>
<p>Very well said. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/13/fraud-experts-speak/#comment-2524948</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since Montage didn&#039;t reply to my  comment of several days ago, I am reposting it.&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/11/11/a-historical-note-on-mourning-a-country/#comment-2524482&quot;&gt; Historical Note on Mourning a Country.&lt;/a&gt;   
Montage:
&lt;b&gt;So Trump haters have a 4th option as well and it’s wanting to have general competence and decency in a commander in chief and one less narcissistic.&lt;/b&gt;

Copied and pasted from IamSparticus, with slight change in question. Please give your response to these Trump policies:
You don’t like that he ordered the killing of Iranian terror-master Soulemani?
You don’t like that he is putting the squeeze on the Mullahs?
• You don’t like that he met with Kim Jung Il who has not performed a single nuclear or missile test since meeting with him after conducting 4 tests during Obama’s term?
• You don’t like that he is stopping Chinese technology theft through spying?
• You don’t like that he put tariffs on dumped Chinese goods that forced them to agree to buy more US products?
• You don’t like that he scrapped NAFTA for USMC and stopped the export of US jobs?
o What would be super powerful to this question is if You lost your job to China or Mexico like I lost my job of 35 years. Or someone that both of You know.
• You don’t like the US having energy independence while reducing its carbon emissions? Something no other country can claim. (US is still importing oil, just a lot less…)
• You don’t like that he withdrew from the Paris Accords that doesn’t have China or India doing any carbon mitigation until after 2035 when global climate change experts say is too late?
• You don’t like that he gave Ukraine weapons that stopped Russia from overrunning the country? That Obama/Biden policy of providing non-lethal aid like blankets and food was the proper response to an armed invasion?
• You don’t like that Germany and France now have to pay more for their defense which makes them very angry?
• You don’t like that his administration has made more arrests for human trafficking in the last few years than Bush and Obama did in 16 years?
o You don’t like that he has set-up a task force to combat human trafficking which the wall is an integral part. You don’t like about this?
Moving to COVID response. That has to be handled very carefully based on a person’s frame of reference. Some good people are VERY safety minded.
• You don’t like that Trump put on a travel ban from China than Europe that all the Democrats condemned particularly Biden?
• That he put into place OPERATION WARP SPEED to develop a vaccine?
• That he followed the scientists when Fauci said masks don’t work in March?
o You don’t like that?
• You don’t like he still says wear a mask even when the WHO says they are ineffective?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Montage didn&#8217;t reply to my  comment of several days ago, I am reposting it.<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/11/11/a-historical-note-on-mourning-a-country/#comment-2524482"> Historical Note on Mourning a Country.</a><br />
Montage:<br />
<b>So Trump haters have a 4th option as well and it’s wanting to have general competence and decency in a commander in chief and one less narcissistic.</b></p>
<p>Copied and pasted from IamSparticus, with slight change in question. Please give your response to these Trump policies:<br />
You don’t like that he ordered the killing of Iranian terror-master Soulemani?<br />
You don’t like that he is putting the squeeze on the Mullahs?<br />
• You don’t like that he met with Kim Jung Il who has not performed a single nuclear or missile test since meeting with him after conducting 4 tests during Obama’s term?<br />
• You don’t like that he is stopping Chinese technology theft through spying?<br />
• You don’t like that he put tariffs on dumped Chinese goods that forced them to agree to buy more US products?<br />
• You don’t like that he scrapped NAFTA for USMC and stopped the export of US jobs?<br />
o What would be super powerful to this question is if You lost your job to China or Mexico like I lost my job of 35 years. Or someone that both of You know.<br />
• You don’t like the US having energy independence while reducing its carbon emissions? Something no other country can claim. (US is still importing oil, just a lot less…)<br />
• You don’t like that he withdrew from the Paris Accords that doesn’t have China or India doing any carbon mitigation until after 2035 when global climate change experts say is too late?<br />
• You don’t like that he gave Ukraine weapons that stopped Russia from overrunning the country? That Obama/Biden policy of providing non-lethal aid like blankets and food was the proper response to an armed invasion?<br />
• You don’t like that Germany and France now have to pay more for their defense which makes them very angry?<br />
• You don’t like that his administration has made more arrests for human trafficking in the last few years than Bush and Obama did in 16 years?<br />
o You don’t like that he has set-up a task force to combat human trafficking which the wall is an integral part. You don’t like about this?<br />
Moving to COVID response. That has to be handled very carefully based on a person’s frame of reference. Some good people are VERY safety minded.<br />
• You don’t like that Trump put on a travel ban from China than Europe that all the Democrats condemned particularly Biden?<br />
• That he put into place OPERATION WARP SPEED to develop a vaccine?<br />
• That he followed the scientists when Fauci said masks don’t work in March?<br />
o You don’t like that?<br />
• You don’t like he still says wear a mask even when the WHO says they are ineffective?</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1. Why do so many people think that the burden of proof is absolute certainty? We don&#039;t require certainty to put someone to death.

2. Statistical anomalies add up and multiply. We can compute the likelihood of them happening by chance. When the likelihood gets to ridiculous, we have SCIENCE. Seriously. That&#039;s all science is quite often.

We know Biden stole the election to a level of certainty that far exceeds any of the supposed &quot;science&quot; that supports global warming theory or Covid policies or so many liberal ideologically driven policies.

3. All inferences and presumptions should be resolved against the party that broke the laws and rules. If their secrecy, their refusals to follow court orders, their refusals to obey state laws, their refusals to adhere to the constitution, are what make it difficult to prove their fraud --  we should be entitled to assume that the fraud was real.  

Never allow the criminal to profit from his crimes. You get a lot more crime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Why do so many people think that the burden of proof is absolute certainty? We don&#8217;t require certainty to put someone to death.</p>
<p>2. Statistical anomalies add up and multiply. We can compute the likelihood of them happening by chance. When the likelihood gets to ridiculous, we have SCIENCE. Seriously. That&#8217;s all science is quite often.</p>
<p>We know Biden stole the election to a level of certainty that far exceeds any of the supposed &#8220;science&#8221; that supports global warming theory or Covid policies or so many liberal ideologically driven policies.</p>
<p>3. All inferences and presumptions should be resolved against the party that broke the laws and rules. If their secrecy, their refusals to follow court orders, their refusals to obey state laws, their refusals to adhere to the constitution, are what make it difficult to prove their fraud &#8212;  we should be entitled to assume that the fraud was real.  </p>
<p>Never allow the criminal to profit from his crimes. You get a lot more crime.</p>
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