There is no question that one of the parties is less than ideal in a number of ways as a libertarian.

The other party is fucking batshit crazy on multiple counts.

Exactly.

Remember that Babylon Bee headline from last month, “Christian Just Voting For Whichever Political Party Less Likely To Make His Faith Illegal One Day”? Yeah, kinda like that, except “constitutional rights” instead of “faith”.

What use are those kind of Libbers?

None. But curiously close to being useful idiots, or just stoned.

Now that I’m married and more socially responsible, I’m a Republican; maybe some other former Libbers are now Dems. I’m also in Slovakia, usually voting absentee – this year with mail-in. Last year visiting America I heard from many Dem friends that Trump was: “Hitler”, “Creepy”, “Racist”, “Vulgar”, “a Bully”.

As Michael mentioned (Welcome!): I can listen to a Biden speech, even though I disagree and see a different set of “facts”. Trump to me is unwatchable, his style of communication is an instant turn off.

A negative emotional response to Trump – reasons won’t change this, and insults are likely to make it worse.

Both parties have problems. Is Michael one of Neo’s Trump hating friends? (Or one of mine? I recommend this bog to many…) Trump-hate is emotional. But as Biden recently said, oh so ungenuinely, “we are all Americans… Not the enemy.*”

Telling any Libber he’s stupid is unlikely to encourage him to return here. This is how echo chambers form, for the comfort of those inside. I’d prefer to allow Montage & the few other (disagreeable?) commenters who disagree to feel more welcome but disagreed with.

In political hardball, the Dems stopping the Greens even getting on the ballot should be used by Reps as proof about how THEY, the Dems, are into Voter Suppression. Have you heard any Reps say this? I haven’t.

Neo: The Democrats were smart to do this, Especially if Reps won’t even try to to honestly state the Voter Suppression reality that is there.

I love America. I hate US flag-burning. I love that America, for years, decades, centuries, has had “freedom enough to burn”. I’m glad that flag burning is legal – many countries don’t allow it. Free speech, and free thinking, remain key to America. And Libertarians are the most freedom loving Party there is. Unrealistically so, with humans and other cultures as they are, but with an ideal of freedom far from Dems.

Like many comments above on cheating, had Libbers not voted, had Greens voted more, the Dems would have adjusted their cheating as needed.
I’m 100% sure the Dems cheated – they are stealing the election.
Only 20% chance that Barr works effectively enough to stop the stealing –
thus 80% Biden wins / successfully steals.

It’s not Libbers who are the thieves. It’s the Dems. And it would be a lot better if more Dems voted Libber or Green than for Dem Biden.

Any who vote “third party” (over 10 different choices?) are better than Biden voters.

[*The same day other Dems are talking about blacklists and Truth commissions to punish Trump supporters. Too OT]

As America becomes a corrupt Dem sh*thole, wouldn’t it be better to peacefully protest, now, before the courts accept Dem lies? How do normal folk living under dictators try to get rid of the corrupt leaders? Massive protests.
For new elections.
For Free, Fair, Honest elections – with rules that the gov’t follows.

MAGA protests for Honest Elections are needed. (Don’t expect, nor ask, for Libbers to be there.)
Honest elections have rules.
Breaking the rules means Fraud.
Evidence of rule-breaking is evidence of Fraud.

400 000 fraud ballots or more, but none say “this ballot is a fraud”.

Their argument — and I cannot say it is itself inaccurate — is that the GOP — and yes, even Trump — have NOT been the “smaller government” party.

He has advocated for controls on/against legitimate business transactions (i.e., his actions against China, and the mercantilist/protectionist actions regards tariffs)

The deficits have continued to rise, considerably — and this was even before the justification that CV has brought about.

Trump has also come down on the side of more gun control, in terms of rules about bump stocks and other related issues.

He did the drone strike against Suleimani, which libertarians are emphatically against.

And I can’t argue with that.

That said, there are two parties —

There is no question that one of the parties is less than ideal in a number of ways as a libertarian.

The other party is fucking batshit crazy on multiple counts.

So, by not holding their nose and voting for Trump, they enabled the Batshit Crazies to have a legitimate claim to the executive office, regardless of the challenge results.

This was self-evidently not a case where their votes benefited the Libertarians — they got nothing no matter the turnout, as it wasn’t enough to provide them election benefits.

It was not a case where a protest vote was wise, because it WAS clearly going to be close.

And yeah, as a result, “Thanks, assholes!” to the cap-Libertarians.

In my 45+ years of voting and political involvement, I have YET to see a single important issue which Libertarians managed to get behind as a group where they didn’t support the wrong thing…

Not once.

I don’t. I would never advocate a bank shot.

He required a TelePrompTer to answer questions from the likes of James Corden. Having kept him in his basement for months, they fly him out to Carnegie-Mellon in order to give a speech to a group of technicians and camp-follower reporters. All of his events were tiny and could be cancelled at short notice. (And some were graced with huge TelePrompTers just out of the view of MSM cameras). There’s a reason for this odd behavior, and it’s not because he’s been a blithering fool for 47 years.

Put not your trust in princes.

It is a true tragedy that too few in the American electorate understand the brilliance of the structure of our Federal government, and its intentional limitations on central power. We are already structured so that folks in Portland, Oregon can have the civic structure they desire and folks in Salt Lake City, Utah can have the civic structure they desire and folks in Tyler, Texas can have the civic structure they desire.

But that’s not good enough for us. The folks in Portland want to also rule the folks in Salt Lake City. The folks in Chicago have to rule the folks in Effingham.

I have a friend who seems similar to your daughter. He has a PhD and has a long career as an engineering researcher at a high level for a major corporation. In other words, very logical. He shared some of his political thoughts on a text thread we are on with other close friends. I was stunned at his naivety and his lack of knowledge of facts contrary to his narrative. I shared some Biden quotes with him that match and exceed Donald Trump’s rhetoric on race, immigration, foreign affairs, the environment… He was stunned. Had never heard any of it.

I chose to stay away from speculation on Biden’s mental health. After 47 years as a public figure with a middling intellect it’s easy to find many idiotic, erratic and contradictory things Biden has said without speculating on early onset dementia. And yes, one can do the same thing with Donald Trump, who has also been a public figure for over 40 years. It’s just amazing that so many people who voted against Trump because of his “character” have never researched Joe Biden’s character. To choose Joe Biden as a paragon of character is a joke. And the joke is on us for the next 4 years.

Blaming other people polarizes Service to Self. This helps move you closer to the dark cabal.

Also, no, Trum can’t beat 70 million fraud votes;l even if the Libertarians had obeyed Trump instead it would have made no impact.