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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524645</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 01:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Philip Sells:

Interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip Sells:</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524643</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello, Neo. Re: your comment at 3:02 11-Nov, at least in the Capital Region, there were indeed fewer polling places, and somewhat different ones than usual. There was some consolidation, for example. Where I went to vote was about a quarter-mile away from my usual polling place and combined that usual clientele with one other. I infer this because they had 2 voting machines, one for each of the usual precincts, and at one point as our early-morning line was moving along slowly, there was a call for anybody from [my usual polling place] to skip ahead, presumably in order to speed things along.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Neo. Re: your comment at 3:02 11-Nov, at least in the Capital Region, there were indeed fewer polling places, and somewhat different ones than usual. There was some consolidation, for example. Where I went to vote was about a quarter-mile away from my usual polling place and combined that usual clientele with one other. I infer this because they had 2 voting machines, one for each of the usual precincts, and at one point as our early-morning line was moving along slowly, there was a call for anybody from [my usual polling place] to skip ahead, presumably in order to speed things along.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524476</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2020 02:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GRA
&lt;i&gt;The turn out in my district was a lot. Keep in mind the was the very first of early voting. I can’t imagine the lines for those that decided to vote the day of. &lt;/i&gt;

I recall driving by an early voting site  in my precinct in the last month, and saw a substantial line. But there was no line on Election Day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRA<br />
<i>The turn out in my district was a lot. Keep in mind the was the very first of early voting. I can’t imagine the lines for those that decided to vote the day of. </i></p>
<p>I recall driving by an early voting site  in my precinct in the last month, and saw a substantial line. But there was no line on Election Day.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524361</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 20:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GRA:

That seems strange to me.  There was a large turnout, yes, but far more people voted early or voted by mail. So the lines make no sense.  Is it because they had fewer polling places this year?  I can&#039;t find any information on that at the moment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRA:</p>
<p>That seems strange to me.  There was a large turnout, yes, but far more people voted early or voted by mail. So the lines make no sense.  Is it because they had fewer polling places this year?  I can&#8217;t find any information on that at the moment.</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524358</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Gringo: This year was much different. I waited for two hours this year in the morning after deciding to miss part of my work day. The turn out in my district was a lot. Keep in mind the was the very first of early voting. I can&#039;t imagine the lines for those that decided to vote the day of. This was in a relatively dense city. My brother waited for about 4 hours in UWS, NYC to vote this year.. In past elections I waited, at most, maybe 5 minutes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gringo: This year was much different. I waited for two hours this year in the morning after deciding to miss part of my work day. The turn out in my district was a lot. Keep in mind the was the very first of early voting. I can&#8217;t imagine the lines for those that decided to vote the day of. This was in a relatively dense city. My brother waited for about 4 hours in UWS, NYC to vote this year.. In past elections I waited, at most, maybe 5 minutes.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524329</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Your sneering “Not everyone is rich [or unemployed?] like you are” earns you contempt.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess that slipped right by me as a dig; if that is what it was supposed to be.  After years of political commenting,  personal swipes unrelated to the construction of my comments per se, go pretty much disregarded by me as being part of the expected and standard operating procedure used by emotional types. It&#039;s related to their class consciousness &quot;personal is the political&quot; hermeneutic.

Many of my own comments have focused on turning the ultimate implications of their own predicate assumptions back on them in the form of casual reductios, as if assuming per their own worldview: radical naturalism, scientism, and atheism or at least moral nihilism. 

Of course by the time you work your way through their list of causes, from antinomianism to xenophobia, you pretty much get the picture that it is definitions and boundaries and the concept of intelligibility itself that are at the root of their problems and grievances.

That has become especially clear in recent years as slogans about unconditional inclusion, acceptance, welcome, validation, affirmation, &quot;community values&quot;, non-judgmentalism, and other like themes have emerged from behind the ideological draperies of the past to stake their claims to preeminence in their own and by their own, right. 

The &quot;snowflakes&quot; have constructed an overarching ideology, even a moral anthropology you might call it, based on their own mental disorders and their craving for inclusion and public validation above all else.

It&#039;s a pretty remarkable thing to behold.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Your sneering “Not everyone is rich [or unemployed?] like you are” earns you contempt.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess that slipped right by me as a dig; if that is what it was supposed to be.  After years of political commenting,  personal swipes unrelated to the construction of my comments per se, go pretty much disregarded by me as being part of the expected and standard operating procedure used by emotional types. It&#8217;s related to their class consciousness &#8220;personal is the political&#8221; hermeneutic.</p>
<p>Many of my own comments have focused on turning the ultimate implications of their own predicate assumptions back on them in the form of casual reductios, as if assuming per their own worldview: radical naturalism, scientism, and atheism or at least moral nihilism. </p>
<p>Of course by the time you work your way through their list of causes, from antinomianism to xenophobia, you pretty much get the picture that it is definitions and boundaries and the concept of intelligibility itself that are at the root of their problems and grievances.</p>
<p>That has become especially clear in recent years as slogans about unconditional inclusion, acceptance, welcome, validation, affirmation, &#8220;community values&#8221;, non-judgmentalism, and other like themes have emerged from behind the ideological draperies of the past to stake their claims to preeminence in their own and by their own, right. </p>
<p>The &#8220;snowflakes&#8221; have constructed an overarching ideology, even a moral anthropology you might call it, based on their own mental disorders and their craving for inclusion and public validation above all else.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty remarkable thing to behold.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524324</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 15:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Your dripping condescension is quite misplaced. Usually you are more polite than that.&lt;/b&gt;

My aura and the Divine Will is breaking them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Your dripping condescension is quite misplaced. Usually you are more polite than that.</b></p>
<p>My aura and the Divine Will is breaking them.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524282</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 04:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage
&lt;i&gt;Not everyone is rich [or unemployed?] like you are and find it very inconvenient to wait 12 hours in line to vote on election Tuesdays&lt;/i&gt;

In previous elections, voting on the day of the election,  I have never had to wait more than 2 or 3 minutes before I was at a voting booth. This year, there was no wait at all. Your  claim of 12 hours is, like most of your comments, total nonsense.

Your sneering &quot;Not everyone is rich [or unemployed?] like you are&quot; earns you contempt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage<br />
<i>Not everyone is rich [or unemployed?] like you are and find it very inconvenient to wait 12 hours in line to vote on election Tuesdays</i></p>
<p>In previous elections, voting on the day of the election,  I have never had to wait more than 2 or 3 minutes before I was at a voting booth. This year, there was no wait at all. Your  claim of 12 hours is, like most of your comments, total nonsense.</p>
<p>Your sneering &#8220;Not everyone is rich [or unemployed?] like you are&#8221; earns you contempt.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524279</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 04:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage,
I have read your pathetically whining [Neo was unjust in accusing you of condescension] excuse for a rebuttal; and note it hinges on nothing more than your complaint that you or those of a mind with you, might find the exercise of the franchise &quot;inconvenient&quot;. 

Which rather than refuting my mockery of your puling weakness, instead demonstrates its aptness. Won&#039;t somebody somewhere wire up Montage a reclining rocker so he can vote without extending himself?

Federal law, Montage, made in accordance with the Constitution sets aside a Tuesday in November for the election of members of Congress and electors. This regularization of procedure is critical to safeguarding the validity of the announced outcome. 

If the effort of cooperating with the program in order to help ensure its integrity, if one day spent in tne exercise of your franchise every four, or at most two, years is too inconvenient for you given the availability of absentee ballots in most states for the aged and infirm, that, then, tells me all I need to know about your personal fitness for citizenship. Perhaps you should join DNW as he looks skeptically at the moral propriety of Montage&#039;s even holding the franchise. Wouldn&#039;t Montage actually be happier in a nice warm crib somewhere?

The issue of your personal inferiority aside Montage, I do have no problem in principle with secure ballots being sent through the mail when there is no other option for the honest exercise of a franchise right to which that particular person is entitled. 

But wholesale voting by mail makes a joke of the very serious matter of citizenship: transforming what are public actions with potentially life altering consequences for both one&#039;s self and one&#039;s ostensible peers, into a lazy parody of the moral seriousness with which it truly must be approached if the act and the actors, are worthy of being taken seriously. 

Of course, for those of you who have been granted a voice but can muster no substantive, as opposed to purely formal, reason on God&#039;s green earth why anyone should take either the voice or the body that emits it seriously, then mailing your vote in probably comports nicely, if figuratively, with your way of approaching most other things in life not related to your immediate self-interest.

Lavinia, peel the boy a grape ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage,<br />
I have read your pathetically whining [Neo was unjust in accusing you of condescension] excuse for a rebuttal; and note it hinges on nothing more than your complaint that you or those of a mind with you, might find the exercise of the franchise &#8220;inconvenient&#8221;. </p>
<p>Which rather than refuting my mockery of your puling weakness, instead demonstrates its aptness. Won&#8217;t somebody somewhere wire up Montage a reclining rocker so he can vote without extending himself?</p>
<p>Federal law, Montage, made in accordance with the Constitution sets aside a Tuesday in November for the election of members of Congress and electors. This regularization of procedure is critical to safeguarding the validity of the announced outcome. </p>
<p>If the effort of cooperating with the program in order to help ensure its integrity, if one day spent in tne exercise of your franchise every four, or at most two, years is too inconvenient for you given the availability of absentee ballots in most states for the aged and infirm, that, then, tells me all I need to know about your personal fitness for citizenship. Perhaps you should join DNW as he looks skeptically at the moral propriety of Montage&#8217;s even holding the franchise. Wouldn&#8217;t Montage actually be happier in a nice warm crib somewhere?</p>
<p>The issue of your personal inferiority aside Montage, I do have no problem in principle with secure ballots being sent through the mail when there is no other option for the honest exercise of a franchise right to which that particular person is entitled. </p>
<p>But wholesale voting by mail makes a joke of the very serious matter of citizenship: transforming what are public actions with potentially life altering consequences for both one&#8217;s self and one&#8217;s ostensible peers, into a lazy parody of the moral seriousness with which it truly must be approached if the act and the actors, are worthy of being taken seriously. </p>
<p>Of course, for those of you who have been granted a voice but can muster no substantive, as opposed to purely formal, reason on God&#8217;s green earth why anyone should take either the voice or the body that emits it seriously, then mailing your vote in probably comports nicely, if figuratively, with your way of approaching most other things in life not related to your immediate self-interest.</p>
<p>Lavinia, peel the boy a grape &#8230;</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/09/on-the-election-and-the-law/#comment-2524269</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 02:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The deep state Dems were cheating in numerous ways.  There is almost no way to know what the real legal vote totals are.

They should redo the election in the fraud cities.
Or, declare Trump the winner since Biden gained only after the voting fraud/ irregularities started.

I&#039;d prefer a redo with much better security and only in-person / handicapped support effort.  With cameras watching the counting.
And likely seeing that Biden&#039;s totals are reduced by 20-40%, far more than Trump&#039;s maybe 5% total reduction.

But gloating Montage brings up two important points:
&lt;i&gt; find it very inconvenient to wait 12 hours in line to vote on election Tuesdays. Early voting is a convenience that causes no harm.&lt;/i&gt;

a) the long waits, due to lousy gov&#039;t logistics.  McDonald&#039;s tries to serve millions daily with only a 6 min wait or less.  It&#039;s a matter of dedicating enough polling places, like every school district, and poll workers.

b) Ease of use that causes no harm.  False.  It presents an irresistible target for gov&#039;t fraud.  Fraud in elections is quite harmful.
Yet it&#039;s very very true that Americans love convenience.
In this case, too much - meaning the love of convenience means accepting a very fraud-friendly mail-in process.

In order to reduce fraud, most states have specific procedures to be followed.  These procedures were not all followed - and many were deliberately not followed.  Like a supervisor&#039;s order to backdate a mail in ballot received too late. Backdating is illegal.

The BBC in 2016 gave a list of red-flags on fraud:
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/new-bbc-study-elections-shows-spot-tell-tale-signs-vote-rigging 
(in case you hadn&#039;t already seen it).

The Dems committed fraud.  There is evidence.  It&#039;s not clear what the courts will do with the evidence.

So ... like in 3rd world struggling democracies, they should redo the election.  Honestly.
Even with less convenience to the voters, and especially to the dead voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deep state Dems were cheating in numerous ways.  There is almost no way to know what the real legal vote totals are.</p>
<p>They should redo the election in the fraud cities.<br />
Or, declare Trump the winner since Biden gained only after the voting fraud/ irregularities started.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer a redo with much better security and only in-person / handicapped support effort.  With cameras watching the counting.<br />
And likely seeing that Biden&#8217;s totals are reduced by 20-40%, far more than Trump&#8217;s maybe 5% total reduction.</p>
<p>But gloating Montage brings up two important points:<br />
<i> find it very inconvenient to wait 12 hours in line to vote on election Tuesdays. Early voting is a convenience that causes no harm.</i></p>
<p>a) the long waits, due to lousy gov&#8217;t logistics.  McDonald&#8217;s tries to serve millions daily with only a 6 min wait or less.  It&#8217;s a matter of dedicating enough polling places, like every school district, and poll workers.</p>
<p>b) Ease of use that causes no harm.  False.  It presents an irresistible target for gov&#8217;t fraud.  Fraud in elections is quite harmful.<br />
Yet it&#8217;s very very true that Americans love convenience.<br />
In this case, too much &#8211; meaning the love of convenience means accepting a very fraud-friendly mail-in process.</p>
<p>In order to reduce fraud, most states have specific procedures to be followed.  These procedures were not all followed &#8211; and many were deliberately not followed.  Like a supervisor&#8217;s order to backdate a mail in ballot received too late. Backdating is illegal.</p>
<p>The BBC in 2016 gave a list of red-flags on fraud:<br />
<a href="https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/new-bbc-study-elections-shows-spot-tell-tale-signs-vote-rigging" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/new-bbc-study-elections-shows-spot-tell-tale-signs-vote-rigging</a><br />
(in case you hadn&#8217;t already seen it).</p>
<p>The Dems committed fraud.  There is evidence.  It&#8217;s not clear what the courts will do with the evidence.</p>
<p>So &#8230; like in 3rd world struggling democracies, they should redo the election.  Honestly.<br />
Even with less convenience to the voters, and especially to the dead voters.</p>
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