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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523256</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 09:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...obvious and egregious...&quot;

Already, one whistle blower---a Michigan postal worker---with pangs of conscience, has spoken up bravely (considering that he&#039;s placed himself in the crosshairs of a certain political party that will not be amused by such---genuine---remorse and integrity):
https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1324174186366074880

It&#039;s a start. Let&#039;s hope there will be other brave souls whose consciences have been rattled.

Perhaps the most amazing thing is that the Democrats believe that EVERYONE has the same values as they do.
(Though perhaps even more amazing is that they might be---mostly---right? In which case....)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;obvious and egregious&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Already, one whistle blower&#8212;a Michigan postal worker&#8212;with pangs of conscience, has spoken up bravely (considering that he&#8217;s placed himself in the crosshairs of a certain political party that will not be amused by such&#8212;genuine&#8212;remorse and integrity):<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1324174186366074880" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1324174186366074880</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a start. Let&#8217;s hope there will be other brave souls whose consciences have been rattled.</p>
<p>Perhaps the most amazing thing is that the Democrats believe that EVERYONE has the same values as they do.<br />
(Though perhaps even more amazing is that they might be&#8212;mostly&#8212;right? In which case&#8230;.)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523246</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 07:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a 2020 metaphor in this story somewhere....

https://notthebee.com/article/man-delicately-releases-mouse-into-the-wild-hawk-promptly-snatches-it

But then I watched this and cheered up again. 

https://notthebee.com/article/trumps-talking-points-showing-up-in-hilarious-network-ssids-and-passwords]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a 2020 metaphor in this story somewhere&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/man-delicately-releases-mouse-into-the-wild-hawk-promptly-snatches-it" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/man-delicately-releases-mouse-into-the-wild-hawk-promptly-snatches-it</a></p>
<p>But then I watched this and cheered up again. </p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/trumps-talking-points-showing-up-in-hilarious-network-ssids-and-passwords" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/trumps-talking-points-showing-up-in-hilarious-network-ssids-and-passwords</a></p>
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		By: Lorenz Gude		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523245</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 07:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Zaphod...again. Found a PDF of Wilder&#039;s &quot;The Bridge of San Luis Rey&quot; and, oh yes, it resonates. So thank you. Here is the last bit of the last paragraph for the rest of you.

&quot;But soon we shall die and all memory of those five will have left the earth, and we ourselves shall be loved for awhile and forgotten. But the love will have been
enough; all those impulses of love return to the love that made them. Even memory is not necessary for love. There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zaphod&#8230;again. Found a PDF of Wilder&#8217;s &#8220;The Bridge of San Luis Rey&#8221; and, oh yes, it resonates. So thank you. Here is the last bit of the last paragraph for the rest of you.</p>
<p>&#8220;But soon we shall die and all memory of those five will have left the earth, and we ourselves shall be loved for awhile and forgotten. But the love will have been<br />
enough; all those impulses of love return to the love that made them. Even memory is not necessary for love. There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning.”</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523243</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 07:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I strongly suspect Twitter and Facebook and Google are not slapping &quot;warning&quot; labels on The Daily Show.

https://notthebee.com/article/florida-goes-for-trump-daily-show-jokingly-suggests-blowing-up-the-entire-state

Nope. They have to save them for the Republicans. There are only so many warning labels in the universe, you know.

https://notthebee.com/article/twitter-is-out-here-just-blocking-everything-trump-tweets]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly suspect Twitter and Facebook and Google are not slapping &#8220;warning&#8221; labels on The Daily Show.</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/florida-goes-for-trump-daily-show-jokingly-suggests-blowing-up-the-entire-state" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/florida-goes-for-trump-daily-show-jokingly-suggests-blowing-up-the-entire-state</a></p>
<p>Nope. They have to save them for the Republicans. There are only so many warning labels in the universe, you know.</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/twitter-is-out-here-just-blocking-everything-trump-tweets" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/twitter-is-out-here-just-blocking-everything-trump-tweets</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523242</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 07:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s official: Trump is the worst white supremacist EVER.
https://notthebee.com/article/alleged-neo-nazi-trump-does-better-in-2020-with-every-race-and-gender-combo-except-white-men]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s official: Trump is the worst white supremacist EVER.<br />
<a href="https://notthebee.com/article/alleged-neo-nazi-trump-does-better-in-2020-with-every-race-and-gender-combo-except-white-men" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/alleged-neo-nazi-trump-does-better-in-2020-with-every-race-and-gender-combo-except-white-men</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523241</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 07:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something else to think about.

https://notthebee.com/article/trump-the-white-supremacist-just-got-the-biggest-minority-republican-vote-since-1960]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else to think about.</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/trump-the-white-supremacist-just-got-the-biggest-minority-republican-vote-since-1960" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/trump-the-white-supremacist-just-got-the-biggest-minority-republican-vote-since-1960</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523240</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 07:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More and more thoughts - there will be thoughts until the end of time.
Doc Zero has enough thoughts to go around for everyone to have the ones they like best.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1323975731135893507.html
&lt;blockquote&gt;hile we wait for this nail-biter to be resolved, let us pause to give thanks for an election that will give us plenty of things to argue about for years to come, which is what we really wanted. Everyone was right and everyone was wrong. Let the Hot Take cornucopia overflow! 

Donald Trump took on the combined forces of the Dem Party, the media, Big Tech, China&#039;s coronavirus, and the Deep State. He supposedly only had a 2% chance to win. And yet he fought it down to a handful of votes in a few key states. An astounding achievement! 

Joe Biden was the worst candidate in living memory, a doddering old man who spent the campaign hiding in his basement, with a running mate who got blown out of the Dem primary early - but he still fought it down to a handful of votes in a few key states. Trump really blew it! 

The polls were incredibly far off. Polls are hot garbage. They either can&#039;t model the electorate correctly any more, or they&#039;re outright frauds contrived to influence public opinion. And yet if Biden pulls out a photo-finish win, we&#039;ll be told the polls were actually kinda right. 

Trump clearly would have won handily without the coronavirus - or would he? Arguments will rage for years. What about Trump&#039;s amazing success with minority voters - while he got creamed among suburban whites in key states? What does that portend for the future? 

Could Trump have scored so well with formerly solid Democrat constituencies without the same brash style that turned off so many independents? Could anyone else have done what he did? Can anyone else hold and build on his working-class coalition? 

&lt;b&gt;What about all those gigantic Trump rallies and marches? Did all those visible signs of enthusiasm really matter in the end, if Basement Biden ekes a narrow win in a couple of battleground states? Or was that enthusiastic support the only reason Trump did so well? &lt;/b&gt;

What about the NeverTrumpers? Were they a small, noisy, but ultimately irrelevant sideshow - or will they be able to boast of delivering that razor-thin win to Biden and rake in cash for the next four years as valued Democrat operatives? 

Is the media kaput as a political force, distrusted by everyone after getting the election predictions so disastrously wrong - or can they congratulate themselves for helping Biden even into the wee hours of Election Night, priding themselves on their enduring influence? 

This election was like watching kids play Calvinball, but it was also a chess duel between grandmasters. Every move was both a hideous mistake and a stroke of brilliance. Everyone was wrong and everyone was right. A thousand moments will be hailed as the Key Moment in retrospect. 

&lt;b&gt;Everyone&#039;s pet theory will be trotted out and groomed, because whatever your view of American politics might be, you found support for it last night. Hindsight won&#039;t just be 20/20 - it will be conducted with an electron microscope. Everything will change, or nothing will change. &lt;/b&gt;

After confidently bragging of a blue wave, Dems ended up winning nothing - except maybe the biggest prize, the White House - except that might not be worth as much as they hoped. Trumpism was both validated and defeated. Trump did better than 2016, except he also did worse. 

After confidently predicting a massive Shy Trump vote would shock the political world and shame the media, Trump stalwarts got what they wanted, except maybe it was only good enough for the cold comfort of a close second instead of a crushing Trump defeat. 

What does it all mean for the 2022 midterms and 2024 election? Everyone gets to be both revved up and utterly demoralized. Politicians across the spectrum will claim vindication and mandates. It will be a golden age of punditry and prognostication, a glorious mess. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more thoughts &#8211; there will be thoughts until the end of time.<br />
Doc Zero has enough thoughts to go around for everyone to have the ones they like best.</p>
<p><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1323975731135893507.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1323975731135893507.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>hile we wait for this nail-biter to be resolved, let us pause to give thanks for an election that will give us plenty of things to argue about for years to come, which is what we really wanted. Everyone was right and everyone was wrong. Let the Hot Take cornucopia overflow! </p>
<p>Donald Trump took on the combined forces of the Dem Party, the media, Big Tech, China&#8217;s coronavirus, and the Deep State. He supposedly only had a 2% chance to win. And yet he fought it down to a handful of votes in a few key states. An astounding achievement! </p>
<p>Joe Biden was the worst candidate in living memory, a doddering old man who spent the campaign hiding in his basement, with a running mate who got blown out of the Dem primary early &#8211; but he still fought it down to a handful of votes in a few key states. Trump really blew it! </p>
<p>The polls were incredibly far off. Polls are hot garbage. They either can&#8217;t model the electorate correctly any more, or they&#8217;re outright frauds contrived to influence public opinion. And yet if Biden pulls out a photo-finish win, we&#8217;ll be told the polls were actually kinda right. </p>
<p>Trump clearly would have won handily without the coronavirus &#8211; or would he? Arguments will rage for years. What about Trump&#8217;s amazing success with minority voters &#8211; while he got creamed among suburban whites in key states? What does that portend for the future? </p>
<p>Could Trump have scored so well with formerly solid Democrat constituencies without the same brash style that turned off so many independents? Could anyone else have done what he did? Can anyone else hold and build on his working-class coalition? </p>
<p><b>What about all those gigantic Trump rallies and marches? Did all those visible signs of enthusiasm really matter in the end, if Basement Biden ekes a narrow win in a couple of battleground states? Or was that enthusiastic support the only reason Trump did so well? </b></p>
<p>What about the NeverTrumpers? Were they a small, noisy, but ultimately irrelevant sideshow &#8211; or will they be able to boast of delivering that razor-thin win to Biden and rake in cash for the next four years as valued Democrat operatives? </p>
<p>Is the media kaput as a political force, distrusted by everyone after getting the election predictions so disastrously wrong &#8211; or can they congratulate themselves for helping Biden even into the wee hours of Election Night, priding themselves on their enduring influence? </p>
<p>This election was like watching kids play Calvinball, but it was also a chess duel between grandmasters. Every move was both a hideous mistake and a stroke of brilliance. Everyone was wrong and everyone was right. A thousand moments will be hailed as the Key Moment in retrospect. </p>
<p><b>Everyone&#8217;s pet theory will be trotted out and groomed, because whatever your view of American politics might be, you found support for it last night. Hindsight won&#8217;t just be 20/20 &#8211; it will be conducted with an electron microscope. Everything will change, or nothing will change. </b></p>
<p>After confidently bragging of a blue wave, Dems ended up winning nothing &#8211; except maybe the biggest prize, the White House &#8211; except that might not be worth as much as they hoped. Trumpism was both validated and defeated. Trump did better than 2016, except he also did worse. </p>
<p>After confidently predicting a massive Shy Trump vote would shock the political world and shame the media, Trump stalwarts got what they wanted, except maybe it was only good enough for the cold comfort of a close second instead of a crushing Trump defeat. </p>
<p>What does it all mean for the 2022 midterms and 2024 election? Everyone gets to be both revved up and utterly demoralized. Politicians across the spectrum will claim vindication and mandates. It will be a golden age of punditry and prognostication, a glorious mess.
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		By: Lorenz Gude		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523235</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 07:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks @Zaphod I Read Bridge of San Luis Rey as a teenager but will have to refresh my memory of the final paragraph. So some Pozzed Prog in Philly is filling out mail in ballots for Biden even as we speak, but maybe 10 years from now, with the benefit of hindsight, will find that &#039;bridgehead of good &#039;in their heart and shake their head in wonder at themselves and the human condition. While I agree they are determined to award a &#039;tenner&#039; to the likes of thee and me, I think the absurdity of their position is far more advanced than in the early 20th century when the totalitarians got total control in Germany or Russia, or China for that matter. &quot;The Narrative&quot; is already in pieces on the ground along with Hunter&#039;s laptop and All the King&#039;s Horses and All the King&#039;s Men...etc. Still History only rhymes and this time around they have the most exquisite surveillance tools  ever invented - including a permanent record of this comment thread. You never know who you will meet in the Gulag but, in any case, I am determined to enjoy it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks @Zaphod I Read Bridge of San Luis Rey as a teenager but will have to refresh my memory of the final paragraph. So some Pozzed Prog in Philly is filling out mail in ballots for Biden even as we speak, but maybe 10 years from now, with the benefit of hindsight, will find that &#8216;bridgehead of good &#8216;in their heart and shake their head in wonder at themselves and the human condition. While I agree they are determined to award a &#8216;tenner&#8217; to the likes of thee and me, I think the absurdity of their position is far more advanced than in the early 20th century when the totalitarians got total control in Germany or Russia, or China for that matter. &#8220;The Narrative&#8221; is already in pieces on the ground along with Hunter&#8217;s laptop and All the King&#8217;s Horses and All the King&#8217;s Men&#8230;etc. Still History only rhymes and this time around they have the most exquisite surveillance tools  ever invented &#8211; including a permanent record of this comment thread. You never know who you will meet in the Gulag but, in any case, I am determined to enjoy it.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/11/04/more-thoughts/#comment-2523212</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 03:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Lorenz Gude:

Final paragraph of the Bridge of San Luis Rey. Resonates a bit.

Still, I might need 10 years in the Gulag to teach me human charity toward Pozzed Progs. Then again we might get just that :P]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lorenz Gude:</p>
<p>Final paragraph of the Bridge of San Luis Rey. Resonates a bit.</p>
<p>Still, I might need 10 years in the Gulag to teach me human charity toward Pozzed Progs. Then again we might get just that 😛</p>
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		By: Lorenz Gude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 03:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So it is just another coup attempt and we know the President will fight it...and that is about all we know. But what a mensch! @Neo I noticed my copy of the Churchill biography, The Last Lion, on my bookshelf this morning and thought of you and that Churchill was not the last lion - nor will Trump be. The necessity  for courage springs eternally in our individual and collective lives because, as Solzenitzen put it. “The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it is just another coup attempt and we know the President will fight it&#8230;and that is about all we know. But what a mensch! @Neo I noticed my copy of the Churchill biography, The Last Lion, on my bookshelf this morning and thought of you and that Churchill was not the last lion &#8211; nor will Trump be. The necessity  for courage springs eternally in our individual and collective lives because, as Solzenitzen put it. “The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either &#8212; but right through every human heart &#8212; and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained”</p>
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