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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/10/22/tonights-debate-5/#comment-2521183</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 06:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I noticed with great satisfaction that Heather McDonald recently characterised Trump as an example of healthy masculinity. Jung defined the Masculine Principle – whether manifested in men or women – as ‘knowing what you want and knowing how to get it’. Our president ain’t Pajama Boy.&quot; - Lorenz

A Rush Limbaugh listener talked about his &quot;conversion moment&quot; in 2016, after the Access Hollywood tape was revealed, and he thought it was all over.

https://redstate.com/beccalower/2020/10/23/opinion-rush-limbaugh-trump-2016-n266384

&lt;blockquote&gt;“And oh my gosh, what does Trump do? He sat Bill [Clinton’s] accusers in the front row. He immediately dismissed the ‘Access Hollywood’ video as ‘locker room talk’… which is the freaking truth…and then, he proceeded to demolish Hillary.

And I could not believe what I saw and heard. &lt;b&gt;I have never seen that kind of strength, spirit, fearlessness, and leadership before.
&lt;/b&gt;
And that’s when I knew he was going to be the greatest president of my lifetime. And I’m so sorry for what the media and Democrats have done to him and put him through Hell.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rush reprises his own story of how, after the tape appeared, he wrote every Trump advisor he knew with what was obviously the correct advice.
(This was the first time I had read of it, but it should be better known.)

&lt;blockquote&gt;I said, ‘Whatever you do, do not apologize for this! Whatever you do, do not express regret for this at all — and I’ll tell you why. This is an October Surprise.

[…]

I said, ‘If you people in the Trump camp, if you hang tough, this is not gonna hurt you. You can win this thing. You can triumph over this thing.’ I firmly believed it. I really believed the American people are fed up with these October Surprises. They’re fed up with this stuff.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We are still fed up with this stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I noticed with great satisfaction that Heather McDonald recently characterised Trump as an example of healthy masculinity. Jung defined the Masculine Principle – whether manifested in men or women – as ‘knowing what you want and knowing how to get it’. Our president ain’t Pajama Boy.&#8221; &#8211; Lorenz</p>
<p>A Rush Limbaugh listener talked about his &#8220;conversion moment&#8221; in 2016, after the Access Hollywood tape was revealed, and he thought it was all over.</p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/beccalower/2020/10/23/opinion-rush-limbaugh-trump-2016-n266384" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/beccalower/2020/10/23/opinion-rush-limbaugh-trump-2016-n266384</a></p>
<blockquote><p>“And oh my gosh, what does Trump do? He sat Bill [Clinton’s] accusers in the front row. He immediately dismissed the ‘Access Hollywood’ video as ‘locker room talk’… which is the freaking truth…and then, he proceeded to demolish Hillary.</p>
<p>And I could not believe what I saw and heard. <b>I have never seen that kind of strength, spirit, fearlessness, and leadership before.<br />
</b><br />
And that’s when I knew he was going to be the greatest president of my lifetime. And I’m so sorry for what the media and Democrats have done to him and put him through Hell.
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<p>Rush reprises his own story of how, after the tape appeared, he wrote every Trump advisor he knew with what was obviously the correct advice.<br />
(This was the first time I had read of it, but it should be better known.)</p>
<blockquote><p>I said, ‘Whatever you do, do not apologize for this! Whatever you do, do not express regret for this at all — and I’ll tell you why. This is an October Surprise.</p>
<p>[…]</p>
<p>I said, ‘If you people in the Trump camp, if you hang tough, this is not gonna hurt you. You can win this thing. You can triumph over this thing.’ I firmly believed it. I really believed the American people are fed up with these October Surprises. They’re fed up with this stuff.”
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<p>We are still fed up with this stuff.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/10/22/tonights-debate-5/#comment-2521182</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 06:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley - in re Jordan Peterson 

https://babylonbee.com/news/jordan-peterson-returns-to-find-americans-worshiping-golden-statue-of-karl-marx-breaks-12-rules-for-life-in-ange

Seriously, I am really glad he seems to be doing better.
The stress on the last few years on him must have been tremendous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley &#8211; in re Jordan Peterson </p>
<p><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/jordan-peterson-returns-to-find-americans-worshiping-golden-statue-of-karl-marx-breaks-12-rules-for-life-in-ange" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/jordan-peterson-returns-to-find-americans-worshiping-golden-statue-of-karl-marx-breaks-12-rules-for-life-in-ange</a></p>
<p>Seriously, I am really glad he seems to be doing better.<br />
The stress on the last few years on him must have been tremendous.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nothing ever goes back to the &quot;way it was&quot;  it is one of those essential characteristics of &quot;time&quot; and &quot;the past.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing ever goes back to the &#8220;way it was&#8221;  it is one of those essential characteristics of &#8220;time&#8221; and &#8220;the past.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MBunge said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;All he can think about is that getting rid of Trump is a return to “normal,” at least for people like him, as though anything is really going to go back to the way it was.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It reminds me of one of the Joker&#039;s quotes from &lt;i&gt;The Dark Knight&lt;/i&gt;, slightly retouched: &quot;The [Dems] want you gone so they can get back to &#039;the way things were.&#039; But you and I know there&#039;s no going back. You&#039;ve &lt;i&gt;changed&lt;/i&gt; things - forever.&quot;
But seriously, I mostly agree with the idea that for a lot of these people, it&#039;s about getting back to &#039;normal,&#039; even if &#039;normal&#039; is kind of dumb - &#039;managing the decline&#039; and all that. Part of the animus is probably because in the minds of quite a few people, the trauma of Everybody&#039;s Favorite Pathogen has been successfully associated (aversion-therapy type of conditioning) with the President, simply because he was the one who happened to be king of the hill at the time. Yes, there was of course plenty of messaging by the Left to work upon those minds, but it may not have been necessary if a given voter&#039;s mind was impressionable enough to begin with.
Also, as Gregory &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/10/22/joe-biden-the-manchurian-candidate/#comment-2520931&quot;&gt;commented the other day&lt;/a&gt;, for the elite types in that set, it&#039;s probably in part about the prospect of losing that gravy train to Shanghai. That&#039;s the ancient motivation of lucre in action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MBunge said:</p>
<blockquote><p>All he can think about is that getting rid of Trump is a return to “normal,” at least for people like him, as though anything is really going to go back to the way it was.</p></blockquote>
<p>It reminds me of one of the Joker&#8217;s quotes from <i>The Dark Knight</i>, slightly retouched: &#8220;The [Dems] want you gone so they can get back to &#8216;the way things were.&#8217; But you and I know there&#8217;s no going back. You&#8217;ve <i>changed</i> things &#8211; forever.&#8221;<br />
But seriously, I mostly agree with the idea that for a lot of these people, it&#8217;s about getting back to &#8216;normal,&#8217; even if &#8216;normal&#8217; is kind of dumb &#8211; &#8216;managing the decline&#8217; and all that. Part of the animus is probably because in the minds of quite a few people, the trauma of Everybody&#8217;s Favorite Pathogen has been successfully associated (aversion-therapy type of conditioning) with the President, simply because he was the one who happened to be king of the hill at the time. Yes, there was of course plenty of messaging by the Left to work upon those minds, but it may not have been necessary if a given voter&#8217;s mind was impressionable enough to begin with.<br />
Also, as Gregory <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/10/22/joe-biden-the-manchurian-candidate/#comment-2520931">commented the other day</a>, for the elite types in that set, it&#8217;s probably in part about the prospect of losing that gravy train to Shanghai. That&#8217;s the ancient motivation of lucre in action.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/10/22/tonights-debate-5/#comment-2521095</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I have another theory – that he was under the weather in the first debate because he was just starting to get sick, although he didn’t know it.&lt;/i&gt;

neo: I had a similar thought that Trump got sick from the stress of the debate on top of all the other stress which goes with being an active POTUS.

Meanwhile, Biden barely works at all, judging by all his campaign &quot;lids.&quot; Covid has been quite a break for Biden and the Democrats.

If Biden is elected, given his deficits, barely showing up to campaign and clear corruption, it will be one of those bizarre chapters in the history books. And a sad testament to American voters in the 21st C.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have another theory – that he was under the weather in the first debate because he was just starting to get sick, although he didn’t know it.</i></p>
<p>neo: I had a similar thought that Trump got sick from the stress of the debate on top of all the other stress which goes with being an active POTUS.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Biden barely works at all, judging by all his campaign &#8220;lids.&#8221; Covid has been quite a break for Biden and the Democrats.</p>
<p>If Biden is elected, given his deficits, barely showing up to campaign and clear corruption, it will be one of those bizarre chapters in the history books. And a sad testament to American voters in the 21st C.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JimNorCal:

Perhaps.

I have another theory - that he was under the weather in the first debate because he was just starting to get sick, although he didn&#039;t know it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimNorCal:</p>
<p>Perhaps.</p>
<p>I have another theory &#8211; that he was under the weather in the first debate because he was just starting to get sick, although he didn&#8217;t know it.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OT, while we await neo&#039;s latest batch...

Jordan Peterson is back from various hospitals and hopes (God willing) to present his work again.

He still looks shaky -- not helped by the dark lighting except for his face which makes it look like he&#039;s telling a ghost story for Halloween.

We wish him well.
________________________________________________

&lt;i&gt;I have returned home to Toronto after spending much of the last eighteen months in hospitals. I am hoping that my health has improved to the point where I can start producing original content again. Thank you to all who are watching for your support over the course of this trying time. I hope that you all are coping with the COVID crisis successfully.  

--Jordan Peterson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_6zwVNn88o &lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, while we await neo&#8217;s latest batch&#8230;</p>
<p>Jordan Peterson is back from various hospitals and hopes (God willing) to present his work again.</p>
<p>He still looks shaky &#8212; not helped by the dark lighting except for his face which makes it look like he&#8217;s telling a ghost story for Halloween.</p>
<p>We wish him well.<br />
________________________________________________</p>
<p><i>I have returned home to Toronto after spending much of the last eighteen months in hospitals. I am hoping that my health has improved to the point where I can start producing original content again. Thank you to all who are watching for your support over the course of this trying time. I hope that you all are coping with the COVID crisis successfully.  </p>
<p>&#8211;Jordan Peterson<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_6zwVNn88o" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_6zwVNn88o</a> </i></p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/10/22/tonights-debate-5/#comment-2521089</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Joe actually said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The catch and release, you know what he’s talking about there? If in fact you had a family came across and they were arrested, they in fact were given a date to show up for their hearing. They were released. And guess what? They showed up for a hearing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Trump said only 1% show up.  I think neither a majority or 1% was correct under Obama.  &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/barack-obama?source=%2Freport-90-of-illegals-skip-immigration-court-appearances-135-000-will-go-missing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s an example.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-final-presidential-debate-transcript-2020&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;The debate transcript if you are interested.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Joe actually said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The catch and release, you know what he’s talking about there? If in fact you had a family came across and they were arrested, they in fact were given a date to show up for their hearing. They were released. And guess what? They showed up for a hearing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Trump said only 1% show up.  I think neither a majority or 1% was correct under Obama.  <a href="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/barack-obama?source=%2Freport-90-of-illegals-skip-immigration-court-appearances-135-000-will-go-missing" rel="nofollow ugc">Here&#8217;s an example.</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-final-presidential-debate-transcript-2020" rel="nofollow ugc">The debate transcript if you are interested.</a></p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It may have been my imagination, but when Trump complimented the moderator on being fair about 2/3 of the way through, she responded by jumping loudly on his closing phrases.  She had talked over perhaps one or two of Trump&#039;s closing words on a couple occasions prior to that.  But after, whole phrases were shouted over.

We Republicans/Conservatives really need a full-on assault (figuratively) on the CPD commission to close it down.

The most amazing Joe Biden lie, out of many, was his claim that only 1% of catch and release aliens fail to show up for their hearings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may have been my imagination, but when Trump complimented the moderator on being fair about 2/3 of the way through, she responded by jumping loudly on his closing phrases.  She had talked over perhaps one or two of Trump&#8217;s closing words on a couple occasions prior to that.  But after, whole phrases were shouted over.</p>
<p>We Republicans/Conservatives really need a full-on assault (figuratively) on the CPD commission to close it down.</p>
<p>The most amazing Joe Biden lie, out of many, was his claim that only 1% of catch and release aliens fail to show up for their hearings.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe they should put Trump and Biden on ice skates, then score them 
for double axels...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they should put Trump and Biden on ice skates, then score them<br />
for double axels&#8230;</p>
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