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		By: Art+Deco		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You have already admitted that her “industrial production” is a component (aka only a part of) of domestic product and your stat was for “mean annual rate of growth in per capita product.” Are all those workers industrial? None in agriculture? None in the service sector? Can’t be, you have a stat. Yet your stat is not for industrial production alone. So once again you provide a statistic and misapply it, but her claim it is the same thing intended by the author. &lt;/i&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You have already admitted that her “industrial production” is a component (aka only a part of) of domestic product and your stat was for “mean annual rate of growth in per capita product.” Are all those workers industrial? None in agriculture? None in the service sector? Can’t be, you have a stat. Yet your stat is not for industrial production alone. So once again you provide a statistic and misapply it, but her claim it is the same thing intended by the author. </i></p>
<p>Your complaint was already addressed.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After I took the Landmark Forum (then the Advanced Course and the Self-Expression Leadership Program) I got involved with a Yahoo group for Landmark graduates.

There were so many Landmark newbies all starry-eyed and going on, how, if only everyone could take the Forum, there would be no more wars! All I could think was well, Heidegger, in his personal quest for Authenticity, became a Nazi and that didn&#039;t work out so well.

At the end of the Forum you discover at the rock bottom of everything, &quot;Life is empty and meaningless,&quot; which leaves you free to stand in that clearing and create your own meaning. (Existentialism 101.) I didn&#039;t see why one couldn&#039;t create &quot;Dominate the world and kill all the Jews&quot; as that meaning. 

I asked some of the senior Landmark people in that group and all they could say was that when you get to Nothing, the first thing that seems to arise is Love and Making a Difference.

Good to know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I took the Landmark Forum (then the Advanced Course and the Self-Expression Leadership Program) I got involved with a Yahoo group for Landmark graduates.</p>
<p>There were so many Landmark newbies all starry-eyed and going on, how, if only everyone could take the Forum, there would be no more wars! All I could think was well, Heidegger, in his personal quest for Authenticity, became a Nazi and that didn&#8217;t work out so well.</p>
<p>At the end of the Forum you discover at the rock bottom of everything, &#8220;Life is empty and meaningless,&#8221; which leaves you free to stand in that clearing and create your own meaning. (Existentialism 101.) I didn&#8217;t see why one couldn&#8217;t create &#8220;Dominate the world and kill all the Jews&#8221; as that meaning. </p>
<p>I asked some of the senior Landmark people in that group and all they could say was that when you get to Nothing, the first thing that seems to arise is Love and Making a Difference.</p>
<p>Good to know.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I think a great many people are convinced they can “do something” with Heidegger (I did) ; as if his shift in perspective on the notion of being, will eventually open a kind of door to an alternate or obscured reality in which we might participate if we can just absorb the insights which will liberate us from the traditional ground/detail, subject-object framework which we have inherited as part of the western philosophical tradition, and cramps our being in the world.

Or, and this was probably more common, that he gave us a pathway to a more “authentic” life.&lt;/i&gt;

DNW: I believe Heidegger is making such an offer, beyond philosophical turf. I believe his embrace of Nazism as a means to that end is a solid signal. That he refused to recant is another indication of his sincerity.

***

Frank Herbert, the science-fiction writer who wrote &quot;Dune,&quot; got to Heidegger first, as far as I can tell. In his novel, &quot;The Santaroga Barrier,&quot; he posited a reclusive community in Northern California, in which an investigator named Dasein (a key Heidegger word for the Being of a human being) is trying to crack Santaroga&#039;s mystery. 

Which turns out to be (given the book&#039;s 1968 publication) a psychedelic called &quot;Jaspers&quot; (after Karl Jaspers, another existentialist philosopher) which keeps the town&#039;s inhabitants in a Heideggerian high and lifts them far above ordinary Americans.

***

But Werner Erhard, as I&#039;ve said, put Heideggerianism into the real world, with the Landmark Forum. I&#039;ve learned that Hubert Dreyfus, the Heidegger authority, took the est Training, loved it, and consulted with Erhard on Heidegger.

I&#039;ve taken the full dose of Landmark Heideggerianism and come away ambivalent. There is a tantalizing high to be had and the &quot;This is It!&quot; feeling. Then later, a &quot;What was that?&quot; I&#039;m studying Heidegger now in large part to sort that out.

Whatever the case, Landmark has a highly trained professional staff administering their brand of Erhard / Heidegger to thousands of enthusiastic people each year with revenues of $70 mil/year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think a great many people are convinced they can “do something” with Heidegger (I did) ; as if his shift in perspective on the notion of being, will eventually open a kind of door to an alternate or obscured reality in which we might participate if we can just absorb the insights which will liberate us from the traditional ground/detail, subject-object framework which we have inherited as part of the western philosophical tradition, and cramps our being in the world.</p>
<p>Or, and this was probably more common, that he gave us a pathway to a more “authentic” life.</i></p>
<p>DNW: I believe Heidegger is making such an offer, beyond philosophical turf. I believe his embrace of Nazism as a means to that end is a solid signal. That he refused to recant is another indication of his sincerity.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>Frank Herbert, the science-fiction writer who wrote &#8220;Dune,&#8221; got to Heidegger first, as far as I can tell. In his novel, &#8220;The Santaroga Barrier,&#8221; he posited a reclusive community in Northern California, in which an investigator named Dasein (a key Heidegger word for the Being of a human being) is trying to crack Santaroga&#8217;s mystery. </p>
<p>Which turns out to be (given the book&#8217;s 1968 publication) a psychedelic called &#8220;Jaspers&#8221; (after Karl Jaspers, another existentialist philosopher) which keeps the town&#8217;s inhabitants in a Heideggerian high and lifts them far above ordinary Americans.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>But Werner Erhard, as I&#8217;ve said, put Heideggerianism into the real world, with the Landmark Forum. I&#8217;ve learned that Hubert Dreyfus, the Heidegger authority, took the est Training, loved it, and consulted with Erhard on Heidegger.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken the full dose of Landmark Heideggerianism and come away ambivalent. There is a tantalizing high to be had and the &#8220;This is It!&#8221; feeling. Then later, a &#8220;What was that?&#8221; I&#8217;m studying Heidegger now in large part to sort that out.</p>
<p>Whatever the case, Landmark has a highly trained professional staff administering their brand of Erhard / Heidegger to thousands of enthusiastic people each year with revenues of $70 mil/year.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom Grey on October 21, 2020 at 5:13 pm said:	

Hey DNW, the Orava Castle is great. We have been there a couple of times.
https://slovakia.travel/en/oravsky-hrad-castle

Here’s a cool 3:44 vid of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vzjD400EY

There’s a reasonable claim that Slovakia has the most castles per capita:
http://blog.timeforslovakia.com/10-interesting-facts-about-slovakia-3/

But that’s not the great ski area, which is the High Tatras a bit more to the East, on the border with Poland. Or, the Low Tatras, which are a closer (S) to the center. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok. Yes, I guess I was not really making the kind of distinctions that a current resident of these countries would ... but just melding the upper limit of northern central [I take it]  Slovakia, with the area you describe as the low Tatra mountains. Apparently that district in extreme southern Poland changed hands several times in recent history and lies within a 6 miles or so, on one vector, from your castle.

I still cannot quite pin down the sites where the Celts (Cotini) lived to &quot;the county or township level&quot; as one might say. Though of course the Boii further west a bit, left their name throughout the nearby regions.

Re log houses. We Americans have many fine log home designs, and some of my own favorites are actually upper south mountain style houses made of squared logs; and, intended not so much as cabins, but as vernacular expressions of the standard colonial or post colonial house forms of the era, such as salt box, or Georgian-with-wing, styles. The &quot;best&quot; : A long story and a half rectangular box on a wooded hillside, chimneys on each end, and a covered porch running the whole length. Of course it has to have a 200 year old hickory tree just out front too. 

But when it comes to modern log houses, the new contemporary styles perched in Colorado view spots, seem despite their impressiveness, to lack a certain visual interest themselves, unlike these from S. Poland, a .22 long rifle shot from your castle stomping grounds.
 
https://forgottengalicia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Zakopane-Koliba-2006-Ejdzej-Wikipedia-768x483.jpg

 https://ownwoodenhouse.com/index.pl?act=PRODUCT&#038;id=128

Hey, if you have read this far: Can you hunt over there? Thinking of log houses in the woods and Fall ... has my motor running. hahaha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Tom Grey on October 21, 2020 at 5:13 pm said:	</p>
<p>Hey DNW, the Orava Castle is great. We have been there a couple of times.<br />
<a href="https://slovakia.travel/en/oravsky-hrad-castle" rel="nofollow ugc">https://slovakia.travel/en/oravsky-hrad-castle</a></p>
<p>Here’s a cool 3:44 vid of it:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vzjD400EY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vzjD400EY</a></p>
<p>There’s a reasonable claim that Slovakia has the most castles per capita:<br />
<a href="http://blog.timeforslovakia.com/10-interesting-facts-about-slovakia-3/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.timeforslovakia.com/10-interesting-facts-about-slovakia-3/</a></p>
<p>But that’s not the great ski area, which is the High Tatras a bit more to the East, on the border with Poland. Or, the Low Tatras, which are a closer (S) to the center. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok. Yes, I guess I was not really making the kind of distinctions that a current resident of these countries would &#8230; but just melding the upper limit of northern central [I take it]  Slovakia, with the area you describe as the low Tatra mountains. Apparently that district in extreme southern Poland changed hands several times in recent history and lies within a 6 miles or so, on one vector, from your castle.</p>
<p>I still cannot quite pin down the sites where the Celts (Cotini) lived to &#8220;the county or township level&#8221; as one might say. Though of course the Boii further west a bit, left their name throughout the nearby regions.</p>
<p>Re log houses. We Americans have many fine log home designs, and some of my own favorites are actually upper south mountain style houses made of squared logs; and, intended not so much as cabins, but as vernacular expressions of the standard colonial or post colonial house forms of the era, such as salt box, or Georgian-with-wing, styles. The &#8220;best&#8221; : A long story and a half rectangular box on a wooded hillside, chimneys on each end, and a covered porch running the whole length. Of course it has to have a 200 year old hickory tree just out front too. </p>
<p>But when it comes to modern log houses, the new contemporary styles perched in Colorado view spots, seem despite their impressiveness, to lack a certain visual interest themselves, unlike these from S. Poland, a .22 long rifle shot from your castle stomping grounds.</p>
<p><a href="https://forgottengalicia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Zakopane-Koliba-2006-Ejdzej-Wikipedia-768x483.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://forgottengalicia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Zakopane-Koliba-2006-Ejdzej-Wikipedia-768&#215;483.jpg</a></p>
<p> <a href="https://ownwoodenhouse.com/index.pl?act=PRODUCT&#038;id=128" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ownwoodenhouse.com/index.pl?act=PRODUCT&#038;id=128</a></p>
<p>Hey, if you have read this far: Can you hunt over there? Thinking of log houses in the woods and Fall &#8230; has my motor running. hahaha</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr Bunge:

You got a baaad headache today?  Thanks for the opinion.  Got any data for that other opinion of yours?  Not yet?  Astounding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Bunge:</p>
<p>You got a baaad headache today?  Thanks for the opinion.  Got any data for that other opinion of yours?  Not yet?  Astounding.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW: Thanks for the link. I thought the topic was dead and missed your intriguing comment. I&#039;ll suggest others refer back to it from your link and I&#039;ll reply in this topic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW: Thanks for the link. I thought the topic was dead and missed your intriguing comment. I&#8217;ll suggest others refer back to it from your link and I&#8217;ll reply in this topic.</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2020 23:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;He cites a glaring error, again his opinion&quot;


Again, I don&#039;t know what to do with this.  It&#039;s like arguing with a sheep that&#039;s suffered a major head injury.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He cites a glaring error, again his opinion&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t know what to do with this.  It&#8217;s like arguing with a sheep that&#8217;s suffered a major head injury.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2020 23:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;huxley on October 21, 2020 at 4:39 pm said:	

...  I must use secondary sources to get at him, and even there I find different authorities with serious disagreements.

Hubert Dreyfus, perhaps the top American authority on Heidegger, just lamented in the lecture I was listening to this morning, “Poor Heidegger! Surely that’s not what he meant to say.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Welcome to the club.

From &quot;DzNW&quot; my ham-fisted evil twin.

https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/10/14/minneapolis-commits-suicide/#comment-2520091]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>huxley on October 21, 2020 at 4:39 pm said:	</p>
<p>&#8230;  I must use secondary sources to get at him, and even there I find different authorities with serious disagreements.</p>
<p>Hubert Dreyfus, perhaps the top American authority on Heidegger, just lamented in the lecture I was listening to this morning, “Poor Heidegger! Surely that’s not what he meant to say.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Welcome to the club.</p>
<p>From &#8220;DzNW&#8221; my ham-fisted evil twin.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/10/14/minneapolis-commits-suicide/#comment-2520091" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/10/14/minneapolis-commits-suicide/#comment-2520091</a></p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2020 23:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey on October 21, 2020 at 5:20 pm said:	

Heidegger probably felt
“Real Nazism hasn’t been tried”.


hahahahahahah !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey on October 21, 2020 at 5:20 pm said:	</p>
<p>Heidegger probably felt<br />
“Real Nazism hasn’t been tried”.</p>
<p>hahahahahahah !</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2020 23:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

There was more to the book than your favorite subject, and some is in the news today.  Ever hear of &quot;court packing&quot; and FDR.  Something about the Supreme Court objecting to FDR&#039;s attempt to implement his centralized control of the economy; wheat, chickens, wages(?) and so forth.  I&#039;m mocking you again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>There was more to the book than your favorite subject, and some is in the news today.  Ever hear of &#8220;court packing&#8221; and FDR.  Something about the Supreme Court objecting to FDR&#8217;s attempt to implement his centralized control of the economy; wheat, chickens, wages(?) and so forth.  I&#8217;m mocking you again.</p>
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