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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/10/12/walkaway-videos-and-changing-minds-the-interpersonal-and-the-intrapersonal/#comment-2519692</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;it seems pretty evident more are walking away from Trump. Yes, &lt;b&gt;we will see in 22 days.&lt;/b&gt;&quot; - Montage

...or not, depending on how much fraud goes into the voting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it seems pretty evident more are walking away from Trump. Yes, <b>we will see in 22 days.</b>&#8221; &#8211; Montage</p>
<p>&#8230;or not, depending on how much fraud goes into the voting.</p>
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		By: o m		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bigmaq:

What a sad clown your turned out to be.  Haven&#039;t learned anything since 2016?  OrangeManBad has got you by the short hairs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bigmaq:</p>
<p>What a sad clown your turned out to be.  Haven&#8217;t learned anything since 2016?  OrangeManBad has got you by the short hairs.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bigmaq:

Among other things, conservatives wouldn&#039;t be expected to have complete agreement on what conservatism is.  We value an exchange of ideas and differences of opinion - that would be part of the definition.  We&#039;re not Democrats or leftists and don&#039;t need to all agree.  But I bet there would be some agreement on things like decentralization of government, less agency power, fostering business rather than needlessly hampering it, civil order rather than disorder, free speech, fighting leftism and PC thought, no &quot;legislating from the bench&quot; - and many more. 

The rest of your charges - such as calling Trump an &quot;autocrat&quot; without specifying what actions of Trump&#039;s are especially autocratic - I don&#039;t perceive him that way.  Among other things, he has been a respecter of federalism, and has let the states handle things in many cases, and this is the opposite of autocratic.  

As for accomplishments that are Trump&#039;s, I can think of many - NAFTA renegotiation, pulling out of climate treaty, putting the screws on Iran, giving the order to kill Solemeini, negotiating the Abraham Accords and the Kosovo/Serbia agreement, and plenty of others.  

Google &quot;Trumps accomplishments&quot; and you&#039;ll find plenty of lists to chew on - and criticize, no doubt. 

Actually, I don&#039;t subscribe to the idea that people walked away from the GOP because of Trump&#039;s demeanor. Some people say they did, but I think there were plenty of other reasons for them - the main one of which was that they never were ideologically committed to conservatism, and really were &quot;Democrat-lite,&quot; and Trump was too far to the right.  Another entire group has been angry at the GOP because they feel the GOP was a &quot;uniparty,&quot; more or less like the Democrats - only in this case, unlike the NeverTrumpers, they wanted &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; conservatism from the GOP rather than less.  They were previously walking away from the party - because of candidates like McCain and Romney - but Trump has brought them back into the party.  At least, temporarily.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bigmaq:</p>
<p>Among other things, conservatives wouldn&#8217;t be expected to have complete agreement on what conservatism is.  We value an exchange of ideas and differences of opinion &#8211; that would be part of the definition.  We&#8217;re not Democrats or leftists and don&#8217;t need to all agree.  But I bet there would be some agreement on things like decentralization of government, less agency power, fostering business rather than needlessly hampering it, civil order rather than disorder, free speech, fighting leftism and PC thought, no &#8220;legislating from the bench&#8221; &#8211; and many more. </p>
<p>The rest of your charges &#8211; such as calling Trump an &#8220;autocrat&#8221; without specifying what actions of Trump&#8217;s are especially autocratic &#8211; I don&#8217;t perceive him that way.  Among other things, he has been a respecter of federalism, and has let the states handle things in many cases, and this is the opposite of autocratic.  </p>
<p>As for accomplishments that are Trump&#8217;s, I can think of many &#8211; NAFTA renegotiation, pulling out of climate treaty, putting the screws on Iran, giving the order to kill Solemeini, negotiating the Abraham Accords and the Kosovo/Serbia agreement, and plenty of others.  </p>
<p>Google &#8220;Trumps accomplishments&#8221; and you&#8217;ll find plenty of lists to chew on &#8211; and criticize, no doubt. </p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t subscribe to the idea that people walked away from the GOP because of Trump&#8217;s demeanor. Some people say they did, but I think there were plenty of other reasons for them &#8211; the main one of which was that they never were ideologically committed to conservatism, and really were &#8220;Democrat-lite,&#8221; and Trump was too far to the right.  Another entire group has been angry at the GOP because they feel the GOP was a &#8220;uniparty,&#8221; more or less like the Democrats &#8211; only in this case, unlike the NeverTrumpers, they wanted <i>more</i> conservatism from the GOP rather than less.  They were previously walking away from the party &#8211; because of candidates like McCain and Romney &#8211; but Trump has brought them back into the party.  At least, temporarily.</p>
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		By: bigmaq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2020 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is this myth, or straw man, really, that people walked away from the Republican party merely because of Trump&#039;s demeanor.  That MAY be what motivates SOME people.  Believing that to be true for the majority is self-delusional - a way to minimize the arguments and demonize those &quot;other&quot; people.

What these past few years have brought to light is that there really ISN&#039;T any interest in &quot;the truth&quot; by either side of the political aisle.  The GOP has devolved into the &quot;Not Dem&quot; party without much in the way of guiding principles - other than lip service and their own form of virtue signalling.  What was the GOP&#039;s convention statement of principles for 2020 - paraphrase: &quot;Whatever HE says&quot;.  Hell, most of the content on this blog is about how bad the Dems are, and other content confirming priors.  A healthy debate, it is not.
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As to Trump&#039;s &quot;accomplishments&quot; - we have an attribution problem.  There has been some good that has happened.  How much of that is really Trump delivering it vs McConnell and other key GOP officials?  

I honestly cannot name one that he has taken a leadership role end-to-end on.  Perhaps that is because it gets lost in all the other trash he generates in the news.  Or, perhaps it is because he seems to frequently and erratically take positions on both sides of an issue.

About four years ago, I said I&#039;d be on my knees happy to know that Trump was not an autocrat.  Well, four years later, I have maybe one knee down as he is clearly a wannabe, but is too lazy or incompetent to be one.  

I also thought we had sufficient guardrails on the Presidency to prevent an autocrat from succeeding.  I now see that that assumption is wildly off.  

Instead, I see that the &quot;Overton Window&quot; has grown / is growing on what a president can get away with, while a majority of the public voices within the GOP and so-called conservatives have stayed silent (would they have stood silent if it were a Dem POTUS?).  And, this all is rather troubling given we could well have a competent POTUS (Dem or GOP) who is quite happy to expand that further to the breaking point.  

I thought we all were worried about this kind of stuff - but only if it is the Dems, I suppose.  

The ability for one&#039;s own side to call out, criticize, and say &quot;No&quot; to a president as they run past these ethical and potentially legal barriers - has been one key to protecting America.  It allows for self-correction.  If neither party can do that when one of their own is in office, then all bets are off, as it becomes loyalty to the man rather than loyalty to the ideas / philosophy.
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I bet that Neo and the group here cannot even come to an agreement on what conservatism is - what that means in practical terms.  Here are some starter issues:

- More Tarrifs and other &quot;Job Protection&quot; Legislation vs Freer Trade
- Obama Care with Pre-Existing Condition Protection vs Free Health Insurance Markets
- Withdrawl Military Bases and Ending Support for International Organizations vs Peace Through American Leadership
- Record Deficits Don&#039;t Matter / Tax the Rich / Bailouts vs Balanced Budget

Hard to tell where the GOP stand on any one of these on any given day, and more often seem to be leaning to the left items.  Use to be strongly leaning to the right on these issues.
.

It seems that the GOP and &quot;conservatives&quot; today are all focused on the forward action (&quot;own the Dems&quot;) but are leaving their flanks and rearguard unprotected.

It is no longer about ideas, but about identity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is this myth, or straw man, really, that people walked away from the Republican party merely because of Trump&#8217;s demeanor.  That MAY be what motivates SOME people.  Believing that to be true for the majority is self-delusional &#8211; a way to minimize the arguments and demonize those &#8220;other&#8221; people.</p>
<p>What these past few years have brought to light is that there really ISN&#8217;T any interest in &#8220;the truth&#8221; by either side of the political aisle.  The GOP has devolved into the &#8220;Not Dem&#8221; party without much in the way of guiding principles &#8211; other than lip service and their own form of virtue signalling.  What was the GOP&#8217;s convention statement of principles for 2020 &#8211; paraphrase: &#8220;Whatever HE says&#8221;.  Hell, most of the content on this blog is about how bad the Dems are, and other content confirming priors.  A healthy debate, it is not.<br />
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<p>As to Trump&#8217;s &#8220;accomplishments&#8221; &#8211; we have an attribution problem.  There has been some good that has happened.  How much of that is really Trump delivering it vs McConnell and other key GOP officials?  </p>
<p>I honestly cannot name one that he has taken a leadership role end-to-end on.  Perhaps that is because it gets lost in all the other trash he generates in the news.  Or, perhaps it is because he seems to frequently and erratically take positions on both sides of an issue.</p>
<p>About four years ago, I said I&#8217;d be on my knees happy to know that Trump was not an autocrat.  Well, four years later, I have maybe one knee down as he is clearly a wannabe, but is too lazy or incompetent to be one.  </p>
<p>I also thought we had sufficient guardrails on the Presidency to prevent an autocrat from succeeding.  I now see that that assumption is wildly off.  </p>
<p>Instead, I see that the &#8220;Overton Window&#8221; has grown / is growing on what a president can get away with, while a majority of the public voices within the GOP and so-called conservatives have stayed silent (would they have stood silent if it were a Dem POTUS?).  And, this all is rather troubling given we could well have a competent POTUS (Dem or GOP) who is quite happy to expand that further to the breaking point.  </p>
<p>I thought we all were worried about this kind of stuff &#8211; but only if it is the Dems, I suppose.  </p>
<p>The ability for one&#8217;s own side to call out, criticize, and say &#8220;No&#8221; to a president as they run past these ethical and potentially legal barriers &#8211; has been one key to protecting America.  It allows for self-correction.  If neither party can do that when one of their own is in office, then all bets are off, as it becomes loyalty to the man rather than loyalty to the ideas / philosophy.<br />
.</p>
<p>I bet that Neo and the group here cannot even come to an agreement on what conservatism is &#8211; what that means in practical terms.  Here are some starter issues:</p>
<p>&#8211; More Tarrifs and other &#8220;Job Protection&#8221; Legislation vs Freer Trade<br />
&#8211; Obama Care with Pre-Existing Condition Protection vs Free Health Insurance Markets<br />
&#8211; Withdrawl Military Bases and Ending Support for International Organizations vs Peace Through American Leadership<br />
&#8211; Record Deficits Don&#8217;t Matter / Tax the Rich / Bailouts vs Balanced Budget</p>
<p>Hard to tell where the GOP stand on any one of these on any given day, and more often seem to be leaning to the left items.  Use to be strongly leaning to the right on these issues.<br />
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<p>It seems that the GOP and &#8220;conservatives&#8221; today are all focused on the forward action (&#8220;own the Dems&#8221;) but are leaving their flanks and rearguard unprotected.</p>
<p>It is no longer about ideas, but about identity.</p>
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		By: Richard+Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 23:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley
The difficulties involved with  banning fracking can be explained until you&#039;re blue in the face.   Makes no difference.  The self-image of a  Good Person wishing the best overrides any rationality and consideration of facts.

I said it before; perhaps our society has rounded off the rough edges to an extent that nobody learns what happens when they fail to think through a course of action.  So, doing feel-good instead of thinking is also going to seem, to the extent the subject is consciously in front of the democrat, without penalty.  Everything works out, or if it doesn&#039;t, it&#039;s somebody else&#039;s fault.  So no blame accrues to the democrats.  And no learning, including learning to think through an issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley<br />
The difficulties involved with  banning fracking can be explained until you&#8217;re blue in the face.   Makes no difference.  The self-image of a  Good Person wishing the best overrides any rationality and consideration of facts.</p>
<p>I said it before; perhaps our society has rounded off the rough edges to an extent that nobody learns what happens when they fail to think through a course of action.  So, doing feel-good instead of thinking is also going to seem, to the extent the subject is consciously in front of the democrat, without penalty.  Everything works out, or if it doesn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s somebody else&#8217;s fault.  So no blame accrues to the democrats.  And no learning, including learning to think through an issue.</p>
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		By: Bryan+Lovely		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 22:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[meirzev --

&quot;One problem with intersectionality is that its proponents want to put Jews in the intersection to get run over.&quot;

Oh, good turn of phrase!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meirzev &#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;One problem with intersectionality is that its proponents want to put Jews in the intersection to get run over.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, good turn of phrase!</p>
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		By: David+Foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley...&quot;Democrats don’t advocate banning fracking because they intend a worse world, but a better one. That they are mistaken doesn’t mean their intent is malign.&quot;

A relatively small % of people appear to understand the dynamics of electricity production and use.  The difficulty and expense of *storing* large amounts of electricity is especially not understood, and this is a major issue when it comes to intermittent source such as solar and wind.

I&#039;ve observed that very few journalists (including business and &#039;tech&#039; journalists) understand that a kilowatt and a kilowatt-hour are two entirely different things.  Measuring the storage capacity of a battery (or other energy storage system) in kilowatts or megawatts is like measuring the capacity of your car&#039;s gas tank in horsepower.

October 4th was the 63rd anniversary of the Soviet sputnik launch focus, which resulted in America in a lot of focus and expenditure on science education in the schools.  Maybe this resulted in some actual *knowledge*, but it&#039;s certainly not continuing into the present era.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley&#8230;&#8221;Democrats don’t advocate banning fracking because they intend a worse world, but a better one. That they are mistaken doesn’t mean their intent is malign.&#8221;</p>
<p>A relatively small % of people appear to understand the dynamics of electricity production and use.  The difficulty and expense of *storing* large amounts of electricity is especially not understood, and this is a major issue when it comes to intermittent source such as solar and wind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve observed that very few journalists (including business and &#8216;tech&#8217; journalists) understand that a kilowatt and a kilowatt-hour are two entirely different things.  Measuring the storage capacity of a battery (or other energy storage system) in kilowatts or megawatts is like measuring the capacity of your car&#8217;s gas tank in horsepower.</p>
<p>October 4th was the 63rd anniversary of the Soviet sputnik launch focus, which resulted in America in a lot of focus and expenditure on science education in the schools.  Maybe this resulted in some actual *knowledge*, but it&#8217;s certainly not continuing into the present era.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If Stalin only knew.&quot;  It is a feature not a bug.

https://the-moneychanger.com/articles/comrade_stalin_doesnt_know]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Stalin only knew.&#8221;  It is a feature not a bug.</p>
<p><a href="https://the-moneychanger.com/articles/comrade_stalin_doesnt_know" rel="nofollow ugc">https://the-moneychanger.com/articles/comrade_stalin_doesnt_know</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cicero:

Now I get what you meant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cicero:</p>
<p>Now I get what you meant.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 19:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:
&quot;Democrats don’t advocate banning fracking because they intend a worse world, but a better one. That they are mistaken doesn’t mean their intent is malign.&quot;

The banning of fracking will obviously yield a worse-off America and a worse-off world. 

Do you favor the destructiveness implicit in AOC&#039;s New Green Deal? 
Did Stalin and Mao just make mistakes?

No fracking=reduced supply of oil, plus higher extraction costs=higher gasoline 
prices=reduced freedom of motion=reduced freedom.

You are a Progressive in disguise if you apologize for Democrat &quot;mistakes&quot;!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:<br />
&#8220;Democrats don’t advocate banning fracking because they intend a worse world, but a better one. That they are mistaken doesn’t mean their intent is malign.&#8221;</p>
<p>The banning of fracking will obviously yield a worse-off America and a worse-off world. </p>
<p>Do you favor the destructiveness implicit in AOC&#8217;s New Green Deal?<br />
Did Stalin and Mao just make mistakes?</p>
<p>No fracking=reduced supply of oil, plus higher extraction costs=higher gasoline<br />
prices=reduced freedom of motion=reduced freedom.</p>
<p>You are a Progressive in disguise if you apologize for Democrat &#8220;mistakes&#8221;!</p>
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