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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/30/the-decline/#comment-2517957</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Lenny Bruce was offended by segregation, and other social ills.  Such a &quot;clean&quot; stand up routine in 1959 on Steve Allen show (not funny guy Steve Martin).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3QgxmiBfNY
&lt;i&gt;&quot;You might be interested in how...I became offensive&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Not obscene - not allowed then.  Steve Allen took a risk with Lenny then.  But later, with anti-Vietnam War protests thru the 60s, obscenity was very allowed.

George Carlin&#039;s main humor was obscenity and the 7 dirty words:
The seven dirty words are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue &quot;Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television&quot;. The words are: shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits. -- wiki

Interesting that Pussy Cat theaters were around then, and pussy was not one of these 7.

I recall being a High School Boy Scout and a bit repelled at Nixon&#039;s uses of [expletive deleted] words in the parts of his taped transcripts that I read, while Watergate was going on.  My Nixon-loving grandparents were also not happy, but didn&#039;t really talk about it.  Nor use vulgar words.  My sisters used them, seemingly to be cool.  Me, not so much, except shit, which I still use (too much?).

Part of the Nixon tape issue was also the silliness in censoring a few words, while accepting so many other things.  

My kids are learning to curse only thru friends and internet, and movies and music, not in our house.

It&#039;s likely that young adults use a lot more vulgar words when they are single and childless - and many more of the college&#039;ed folk, women especially, are not married.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lenny Bruce was offended by segregation, and other social ills.  Such a &#8220;clean&#8221; stand up routine in 1959 on Steve Allen show (not funny guy Steve Martin).<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3QgxmiBfNY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3QgxmiBfNY</a><br />
<i>&#8220;You might be interested in how&#8230;I became offensive&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Not obscene &#8211; not allowed then.  Steve Allen took a risk with Lenny then.  But later, with anti-Vietnam War protests thru the 60s, obscenity was very allowed.</p>
<p>George Carlin&#8217;s main humor was obscenity and the 7 dirty words:<br />
The seven dirty words are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue &#8220;Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television&#8221;. The words are: shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits. &#8212; wiki</p>
<p>Interesting that Pussy Cat theaters were around then, and pussy was not one of these 7.</p>
<p>I recall being a High School Boy Scout and a bit repelled at Nixon&#8217;s uses of [expletive deleted] words in the parts of his taped transcripts that I read, while Watergate was going on.  My Nixon-loving grandparents were also not happy, but didn&#8217;t really talk about it.  Nor use vulgar words.  My sisters used them, seemingly to be cool.  Me, not so much, except shit, which I still use (too much?).</p>
<p>Part of the Nixon tape issue was also the silliness in censoring a few words, while accepting so many other things.  </p>
<p>My kids are learning to curse only thru friends and internet, and movies and music, not in our house.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s likely that young adults use a lot more vulgar words when they are single and childless &#8211; and many more of the college&#8217;ed folk, women especially, are not married.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/30/the-decline/#comment-2517945</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2020 12:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Nixon tapes had virtually no effect on people’s cussing, IMHO. Very few people thought of him as someone to emulate. And the decline in discourse among regular people (not movies or politicians) happened before Watergate. It was in the late 60s that I recall i&lt;/i&gt;

I believe some psychologists claim (Margaret Singer was one) that people&#039;s speech patterns congeal fairly early in life.  If that&#039;s true you were looking at cohort effects.  My parents did not curse around the house.  My mother&#039;s peers did not speak that way in any setting and my father&#039;s peers did so in stag settings only.  My adolescent sister introduced that sort of talk into our house ca. 1971.  (I think most people teach themselves to dial it back when they have children hearing them).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Nixon tapes had virtually no effect on people’s cussing, IMHO. Very few people thought of him as someone to emulate. And the decline in discourse among regular people (not movies or politicians) happened before Watergate. It was in the late 60s that I recall i</i></p>
<p>I believe some psychologists claim (Margaret Singer was one) that people&#8217;s speech patterns congeal fairly early in life.  If that&#8217;s true you were looking at cohort effects.  My parents did not curse around the house.  My mother&#8217;s peers did not speak that way in any setting and my father&#8217;s peers did so in stag settings only.  My adolescent sister introduced that sort of talk into our house ca. 1971.  (I think most people teach themselves to dial it back when they have children hearing them).</p>
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		By: Erisguy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/30/the-decline/#comment-2517940</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2020 11:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Salant, Cronkeit, Wallace, Jennings, et. al. agreed telling the truth was good when the truth about Nazism, but telling the truth about Communism, liberals (=slow communists) would undermine their goals and dreams.

Of course they changed their minds about the value of truthiness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salant, Cronkeit, Wallace, Jennings, et. al. agreed telling the truth was good when the truth about Nazism, but telling the truth about Communism, liberals (=slow communists) would undermine their goals and dreams.</p>
<p>Of course they changed their minds about the value of truthiness.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/30/the-decline/#comment-2517669</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2020 07:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Drudge is a Prancing South Beach Homo. His sort may LARP (Google it, Boomers) at Right Wing Politics or get about in Lumberjack Gear from time to time when the mood takes them... but like dogs, they will always return to the Purple Bronies and  Progressive Vomit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drudge is a Prancing South Beach Homo. His sort may LARP (Google it, Boomers) at Right Wing Politics or get about in Lumberjack Gear from time to time when the mood takes them&#8230; but like dogs, they will always return to the Purple Bronies and  Progressive Vomit.</p>
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		By: Xylourgos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2020 05:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Aesop Fan, for your response - very well done! I also suspected that the change could be due to improving the bottom line. With half the country in the bag - why not go for the other half? My other suspicion was that he was being blackmailed - perhaps in the same vein as SCJ Roberts apparent about face on Obamacare. I hope the financial angle is closer to the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Aesop Fan, for your response &#8211; very well done! I also suspected that the change could be due to improving the bottom line. With half the country in the bag &#8211; why not go for the other half? My other suspicion was that he was being blackmailed &#8211; perhaps in the same vein as SCJ Roberts apparent about face on Obamacare. I hope the financial angle is closer to the truth.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/30/the-decline/#comment-2517597</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2020 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comment lost?  Too late now.
1960 Lady Chatterley&#039;s Lover - art not porn.

Culture is upstream of politics, and laws are usually further downstream.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment lost?  Too late now.<br />
1960 Lady Chatterley&#8217;s Lover &#8211; art not porn.</p>
<p>Culture is upstream of politics, and laws are usually further downstream.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/30/the-decline/#comment-2517578</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2020 22:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, as I recall, that guy got kicked in the chest and fell into a deep, deep hole.

&lt;i&gt;--&quot;300&quot; (2006) - This Is Sparta!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyIhxxvvy1Y&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I recall, that guy got kicked in the chest and fell into a deep, deep hole.</p>
<p><i>&#8211;&#8220;300&#8221; (2006) &#8211; This Is Sparta!<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyIhxxvvy1Y" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyIhxxvvy1Y</a></i></p>
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		By: Gerard vanderleun		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/30/the-decline/#comment-2517555</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2020 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I can make a clear reference to a former two-term U.S. President who has, I believe, been a noted speaker at every Democratic National Convention for the last 32 years and supposedly educated people don’t get it? This isn’t a fashion blog. We’re talking politics here.&quot;

SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!
SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!

SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME! OR KISS THE GLOVE!

THIS ISN&#039;T BEAN BAG!!!
THIS
IS
&lt;b&gt;SPARTA!!!!!&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can make a clear reference to a former two-term U.S. President who has, I believe, been a noted speaker at every Democratic National Convention for the last 32 years and supposedly educated people don’t get it? This isn’t a fashion blog. We’re talking politics here.&#8221;</p>
<p>SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!<br />
SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME!</p>
<p>SAY HIS NAME, MIKE! SAY HIS NAME! OR KISS THE GLOVE!</p>
<p>THIS ISN&#8217;T BEAN BAG!!!<br />
THIS<br />
IS<br />
<b>SPARTA!!!!!</b></p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo (1:01 pm) said, &quot;maybe people just wanted to make sure their supposition was correct, and wanted you to corroborate it, . . . .&quot;

Thank you, neo.

I was moved to write something to the effect, &quot;c&#039;mon, good people, I know we-all can do better than this cat-n-mouse stuff&quot; . . . but I declined, very largely because the whole tempest-in-a-teapot had gotten so insignificant.

We-all *can* do better, and we-all *do* do better, 99.99 percent of the time:  &quot;we-all&quot; are a leading reason I frequent neo&#039;s blog, and have done so for at least ten years now.

Carry on, good people . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo (1:01 pm) said, &#8220;maybe people just wanted to make sure their supposition was correct, and wanted you to corroborate it, . . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, neo.</p>
<p>I was moved to write something to the effect, &#8220;c&#8217;mon, good people, I know we-all can do better than this cat-n-mouse stuff&#8221; . . . but I declined, very largely because the whole tempest-in-a-teapot had gotten so insignificant.</p>
<p>We-all *can* do better, and we-all *do* do better, 99.99 percent of the time:  &#8220;we-all&#8221; are a leading reason I frequent neo&#8217;s blog, and have done so for at least ten years now.</p>
<p>Carry on, good people . . .</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2020 17:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Nixon tapes had virtually no effect on people&#039;s cussing, IMHO.  Very few people thought of him as someone to emulate. And the decline in discourse among regular people (not movies or politicians) happened before Watergate.  It was in the late 60s that I recall it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nixon tapes had virtually no effect on people&#8217;s cussing, IMHO.  Very few people thought of him as someone to emulate. And the decline in discourse among regular people (not movies or politicians) happened before Watergate.  It was in the late 60s that I recall it.</p>
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