We’re toast.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1311671868655652867.html

California’s announcement of “serious studies” for reparations bills is a clear harbinger of things to come. Bad ideas from California reliably infect the rest of the country when Dems have the White House and Congress.

The Left is VERY serious about reparations. It’s not a fringe idea for them at all. It’s very much in the status of “something we need to figure out how to do without provoking massive public outrage.” There is no serious intellectual argument against it on the Left.
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If Dems do well in November, political violence will have been legitimized in the United States, and it will be used to push reparations. Imagine the riots if, say, California imposes a reparations bill but other states and the federal government do not.

Your only chance of stopping this process is for Democrats to have such an “unexpectedly” bad election that they back away from compulsive politics, political violence, and issues that would likely provoke a civil war they think they might lose.

If the Dems have total power, the pressure on them to follow the Obamacare model – grab more power right now, force through measures that change the electorate and reshape society, take a few short-term political hits for long term gain – will be overwhelming.

The power players on the hard Left will NEVER allow the Democrats to “squander” that opportunity by failing to push through everything they’ve ever dreamed of. Nothing will be too radical, especially if it establishes new sources of political power.

And that’s what reparations would be – an unending source of strife, grievance, and racial animosity that can be tapped for political power indefinitely. It’s a well of hatred and resentment that will never run dry, a spigot into the public treasury that will never be closed.

Forever afterward, every enemy of the Left will be vilified as a racist who wants to “take your reparations away,” just as they currently vilify critics of Obamacare as greedy sadists who want to “take your health care away.” We’ll never be allowed to talk about “going back.”

And since reparations won’t actually “solve” any problems, they’ll be used as a bludgeon to demand more money and obedience from the middle class. It will be all YOUR fault that reparations didn’t work. “Systemic racism” must be worse than ever, if reparations didn’t help!

And with collective guilt for past sins now enshrined in American law as a punishable offense, more prosecutions will be quickly forthcoming. Every grievance group will want its reparations, and not just racial ones. That future is not difficult to imagine.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-biden-antifa-ideas-dont-burn-down-buildings

What I can’t understand – tell me if I’m wrong – is the party supposedly behind Trump: with a few exceptions, they should be denouncing the imposture with all the power of their lungs, but I don’t hear them; my (mistaken?) impression is that they are more interested in saving their own future in case of loss, fearing the moment when the PC guillotine falls.
If incredible lies can be repeated today with complete impunity, not only in the media but by state agencies directly under the President’s command, what’s going to happen if Democrats win?

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/390569.php

Yes, I’m sure many Lefties understand it was a “nudge-nudge wink-wink” routine so Biden can appease the rubes. But the enthusiasm gap for him is as wide as Nadler’s waist. Remember that these are the same people (on paper) pulling down statues, burning down cities and shooting police officers. I don’t think they’re in the mood to play politics. And don’t expect Bernie to get on TV later today saying “don’t listen to what he said; he was faking it!”

For months now violent leftists, antifa terrorists and Black Lives Matter have been torching businesses, terrorizing communities, shooting cops, looting stores and rioting in cities across America.

But at last night’s debate Chris Wallace demanded that President Trump denounce white supremacist violence in our streets. And Joe Biden added that Trump needed to condemn the white supremacist Proud Boys group.
This was an atrocious lie.
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On Wednesday Proud Boy International Chairman Enrique Tarrio, an African-Hispanic American, spoke out against the smear that Proud Boys is a white supremacist group as Joe Biden claims.

The head of the controversial Proud Boys told Sky News he did not see President Trump’s words during the presidential debate as an endorsement of his group, and that Joe Biden had made a “crucial mistake” in naming them as racists.

Yeah, well, Candace Owens is a White Supremacist too, ya know!

Mr. Tarrio understood what President Trump meant, even if no one on the Left did.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-proud-boys-leader-calls-debate-great-moment-as-trump-denies-knowledge-of-group-12086267

He defended the Proud Boys as peaceful, pointing to their rally in Portland over the weekend – the Oregon city that has seen months of often violent protests over police brutality and racism since the killing of George Floyd.

“We’ve always done that – we did this in Portland – we stood back and stood by in Portland on the 26th, and we had a great event,” he said.

“And basically I think what he [President Trump] meant was let the police do their job – which we have.”

https://www.allviewnews.com/2020/06/04/candace-owens-slammed-as-white-supremacist-and-racist-for-declaring-george-floyd-not-a-martyr-or-hero/

No problem for him: he has called out and condemned Right-wing extremists many times, even though the Left will not concede that point (media-story-pillow; some assembly required).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/30/presidential-debate-read-full-transcript-first-debate/3587462001/

1:04:23 WALLACE

Okay, you have repeatedly criticized the Vice President for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups? And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in Kenosha, as we’ve seen in Portland? Are you prepared specifically to do that?

1:04:46 TRUMP
Sure, I’m prepared to do it. I would say- I would say, almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not from the right wing-

1:05:55 WALLACE
So what do you, what do you say-

1:04:56 TRUMP
I’m willing to do anything I want to see peace.

1:04:57 WALLACE
Then do it, sir.

1:04:59 BIDEN
Say it, do it, say it.

1:05:00 TRUMP
You want to call them — What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me —

1:05:04 WALLACE
White supremacists and, white supremacists and right-wing —

1:05:07 BIDEN
The Proud Boys.

1:05:07 TRUMP
Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what, I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem

1:05:19 BIDEN
His own FBI director said — white supremacists. Antifa is an idea not an organization. Militia —

1:05:27 TRUMP
Oh you’ve got to be kidding me

1:05:27 BIDEN

His FBI said —

1:05:28 TRUMP
Well then, you know what —

1:05:29 WALLACE
Gentlemen, we’re done, sir. We’re going to go on to the next-

1:05:39 BIDEN
Everybody in your administration tells you the truth that that’s a bad to bad idea. You have no idea.

1:05:43 TRUMP
Antifa is a dangerous, radical group —

But, a search for what the FBI director said (“Wray white supremacists violent incidents”) turned up 3 top stories on the debate claiming that Trump did not denounce violent right wing groups, when the transcript shows explicitly that he did.

That version is also what one of the Left’s pundits sees on HIS movie screen, and you can bet that he speaks for many others, even as he runs this post to convince those that might still be unenlightened.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-proud-boys-stand-back-stand-debate-moment-was-ncna1241570?icid=recommended
by Dean Obeidallah

It should come as a surprise to no one that President Donald Trump refused to unequivocally denounce white supremacists when asked to do so Tuesday by debate moderator Chris Wallace. Trump may be unpredictable, but he’s been quite consistent when it comes to the coddling and courting of white supremacists.
I’ve seen the people Trump once referred to as “very fine” firsthand when they defamed and threatened to kill me for criticizing him.

I don’t know how much more unequivocal you can get than “Sure” – but the Left specializes in making words mean what they want them to mean.*

Bet you were also surprised to see that often-debunked Charlottesville canard still making the rounds. It’s like a political perpetual motion machine.

As Trump’s own FBI director, Christopher Wray, stated two weeks ago before Congress, “racially motivated violent extremism,” primarily from white supremacist groups, is the most lethal threat currently facing our nation. And as the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has documented, white nationalist groups have grown by 55 percent in the Trump era. This threat has manifested in deadly acts of violence like the August 2019 attack at an El Paso, Texas, shopping mall that left 26 dead and the 2018 attack on the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh that resulted in the murder of 11 Jewish American in their place of worship.

Not diminishing those two tragedies in any way, but I’m sure you are all impressed by his reference source; I suspect many of you have seen how creatively SPLC got that 55% growth rate. Note that the author then implies that the growth of groups is indicative of a growth in violent incidents, which is NOT what the SPLC actually said.

Here is what Wray told Congress:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/wray-claims-white-supremacists-make-largest-share-racially-motivated-terrorists-us-blm-burns-businesses-ground-video/

FBI Director Christopher Wray on Thursday said “white supremacists” make up the largest share of racially motivated terrorists in the United States.

Wray made these statements during a testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee.

“Within the domestic terrorism bucket, category as a whole, racially motivated violent extremism is I think the biggest bucket within that large group. And within the racially motivated extremism bucket people prescribing [sic] to some kind of white supremacist ideology is certainly the biggest chunk of that,” Wray told radical Democrat Rep. Elissa Slotkin (MI).
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“I don’t have the numbers for you,” Wray said admitting he has no evidence whatsoever to back up his insane claims.

This is what a DHS draft report gave as evidence that might possibly be what Wray refers to.
Watch the sleight of hand on how they determine threats.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.

Two later draft versions of the same document — all of which were reviewed by POLITICO — describe the threat from white supremacists in slightly different language. But all three drafts describe the threat from white supremacists as the deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S., listed above the immediate danger from foreign terrorist groups.
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None of the drafts POLITICO reviewed referred to a threat from Antifa, the loose cohort of militant left-leaning agitators who senior Trump administration officials have described as domestic terrorists. Two of the drafts refer to extremists trying to exploit the “social grievances” driving lawful protests.
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All three documents note that 2019 was the most deadly year for domestic violent extremists since the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995.

“Among DVE [domestic violent extremist] actors, WSEs [white supremacist extremists] conducted half of all lethal attacks (8 of 16), resulting in the majority of deaths (39 of 48),” the drafts read.

Politico doesn’t list the attacks, so I wonder which DVE actors committed the other half of all lethal attacks (8), resulting in 9 deaths; and note that 13 “WSE deaths” (39-26) were spread over 7 incidents.
And, again not diminishing the personal tragedies, 48 terrorism-related fatalities in 2019 is a slow Friday in Chicago.

The BIG take-away is that all of these drafts predate the Floyd riots in which the vast majority of violence has been enacted by Antifa and BLM, not WSE’s (and Lin Wood is suing Biden for claiming in an ad Kyle Rittenhouse is a White Supremacist**).

Back to the original post:

Despite this documented rise in white supremacist violence and the warnings of his own FBI director, Trump continues to deflect. When Wallace asked him Tuesday to condemn white supremacist groups, Trump falsely claimed most of the violence was from “antifa and the left.” And then, inexplicably, he gave the Proud Boys the acknowledgment they crave. This group — who, as the SPLC notes, has a history of working with white supremacist groups — has staged rallies in support of Trump. And now he seems to have wanted them to know he was on their side. In response, members of the Proud Boys tweeted, “Standing by, sir.”

Gosh – how much more explicable can you get, than Biden giving Trump the name of the group he wanted called out?

But, because Trump said, “Stand back and stand by” instead of whatever phrase Obeidallah may have preferred, it was just a dog whistle that really meant “be ready to rampage on my order.”

If you hear dog whistles, you may be a dog.
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https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/09/30/ap-stylebook-please-dont-call-that-riot-a-riot/

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https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/09/30/biden-campaign-accuses-kyle-rittenhouse-of-being-a-white-supremacist/

Even though this was a bullsh** question by Wallace obviously designed to put the issue into play before a national audience (even FactCheck.org has noted several times when Trump explicitly denounced white supremacists, so it is hard to give this the benefit of the doubt)

One would think the Biden campaign would have been content to take their W and go on their way. But this is 2020, and rules don’t apply.
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The image is of Kyle Rittenhouse as he was being set upon by a mob on a street in Kenosha, WI. As far as I know, the only activity in Portland is Biden constituents attempting to burn cops alive and killing people from ambush. Rittenhouse has no connection whatsoever with any white supremacist group. This claim has been widespread on the left but has been thoroughly debunked by every news organization reported on the unwarranted attack on Rittenhouse. For a campaign to float a known lie like this that could easily affect a potential jury pool is simply inexplicable beyond having a penchant for casual cruelty.

In this case, “inexplicable” is still not the correct word to use, because it’s obvious to any casual observer that Biden explicably wants to prejudice voters in his behalf.
In addition to being cruel.

The immediate takeaways were that:
** Trump was taking on two politicians
** Chris Wallace interrupted President Trump 76 times to just 15 times for Joe Biden
** Joe Biden couldn’t answer a question
** Joe Biden’s name-calling was disgusting and inappropriate
** Joe Biden made 33 false or misleading statements
** Democrats have to lie to the public about their policies and plans because they are so unpopular and destructive

Democrats left the debate thoroughly defeated.
They know they lost.

How do we know that?
Because top Democrats are now all calling for Joe Biden to cancel any future debates.

THAT lead to a Tweet I feel obliged to enlighten you with.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311385306571042816

So far I have only found one pundit that agrees with me, in a rather strange post that brought up something I didn’t yet see anyone else mention (although him catching it is no surprise).
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2020/09/30/why-biden-said-inshallah-during-the-debate-n988636

Poor old Joe. What does he have to do or say to allay suspicions that he will not be a faithful servant of the socialist, internationalist, pro-migration, anti-counterterror agenda? His repudiation of the Green New Deal and more last night will not help him with the adherents of that agenda, but they likely understand that Joe was simply saying what he had to say to get out of the corner Trump had backed him into.

They understand, after all, the helpful principle enunciated by that master politician, Muhammad, the prophet of Islam: “War is deceit.” Joe Biden very clearly has grasped that principle as well.

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https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/09/30/heres-how-we-know-trump-won-the-first-debate-n988128

President Trump didn’t always respond effectively or in a timely manner to Joe Biden’s false accusations. Biden’s insults and interjections were the polar opposite of presidential. Chris Wallace might as well have worn a Biden campaign button. But through all the noise of Tuesday night’s debate, complete with the usual partisan post-mortems featuring Biden supporters mostly assessing Biden as the winner of the debate and Trump supporters mostly assessing Trump as the winner, there seems to be a far better metric by which we can definitively determine last night’s winner.

Matt Lewis of The Daily Beast, a Never Trumper, concluded that Biden “won the debate” but added the caveat: “If Joe Biden were looking for a pretext to skip the next two debates, he found it.”

If the candidate you support won the debate, why wouldn’t you want them to participate in the remaining debates?**

Yes, the debate was heated, and the candidates interrupted each other a lot. But, we went through this during the Democratic primaries, too. Candidates are desperate to get their time to speak and fight with the moderator about the rules. Get over it.

But Matt Lewis isn’t the only Biden supporter suggesting that Biden put a lid on future debates.

**Maybe because they can’t run the captive-moderator-plus-hidden-wire con again?