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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nancy B....&quot;At the most superficial level, the problem is that it’s all devolved to be tribal. If I state not a philosophical position, not even a political opinion, but something as basic as a fact that seems to support a “Red” position, the reaction ranges from discomfort to anger, and in all cases an end to the conversation.&quot;

The way I&#039;ve thought about it is that everyone is acting like *lawyers*, in that they have a case they want to prove, and the only interest they have in contrary facts is how they can refute them so that their side wins.

This approach works in the courtroom because not only are there the two adversaries, there are also a judge and jury who are supposed to be objective assessors of what they say.  It doesn&#039;t work in society as a whole, because the disputants, as voters, are also the judge and jury.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy B&#8230;.&#8221;At the most superficial level, the problem is that it’s all devolved to be tribal. If I state not a philosophical position, not even a political opinion, but something as basic as a fact that seems to support a “Red” position, the reaction ranges from discomfort to anger, and in all cases an end to the conversation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The way I&#8217;ve thought about it is that everyone is acting like *lawyers*, in that they have a case they want to prove, and the only interest they have in contrary facts is how they can refute them so that their side wins.</p>
<p>This approach works in the courtroom because not only are there the two adversaries, there are also a judge and jury who are supposed to be objective assessors of what they say.  It doesn&#8217;t work in society as a whole, because the disputants, as voters, are also the judge and jury.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nancy B. 
Wrt your first graf and Covid in schools;
Never seen anything else when libs are faced with actual facts.  Sometimes they&#039;ll reference Fox News or Limbaugh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy B.<br />
Wrt your first graf and Covid in schools;<br />
Never seen anything else when libs are faced with actual facts.  Sometimes they&#8217;ll reference Fox News or Limbaugh.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nancy B.
Never seen anything else when libs are faced with actual facts.  Sometimes they&#039;ll reference Fox News or Limbaugh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy B.<br />
Never seen anything else when libs are faced with actual facts.  Sometimes they&#8217;ll reference Fox News or Limbaugh.</p>
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		By: Texan99		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree it&#039;s useful, and that defeatism is dangerous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it&#8217;s useful, and that defeatism is dangerous.</p>
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		By: Nancy B.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nancy B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the most superficial level, the problem is that it&#039;s all devolved to be tribal.  If I state not a philosophical position, not even a political opinion, but something as basic as a fact that seems to support a &quot;Red&quot; position, the reaction ranges from discomfort to anger, and in all cases an end to the conversation.  Saw this the other day with someone who trotted out a lamentation she&#039;d doubtless heard on tv about how awful it was that schools were opening.  Was she relieved when I told her kids and their relatively young teachers are at little risk from Covid? Or rebut me that they were so?  Did an informed discussion of risk and reward follow?  No, I had shown I was a bad, unenlightened one of &quot;them&quot; endangering the world with my selfish, stupid, republicanism.  

And the left has been tailoring their messages to stoke this, to delegitimize any dissenting opinions and license the non-personing of those that hold them.  And they are getting almost to Rwanda level of rhetoric with that. 

But at a deeper level, the blue tribe sees the red tribe as purveyors of the Judeo-Christian Morality that they believe oppresses them.  I think that&#039;s why the label of &quot;liberal&quot; for these people still sticks, although they&#039;ve long since ceased to believe in the liberal process.  &quot;Don&#039;t you dare impose your morals on me!&quot; they cry.  

On a deeper level still, how is that liberation working out?  Abortion is interesting.  Even with birth control, you couldn&#039;t have sexual liberation or even feminism without abortion -- just too many &quot;accidents.&quot;  A  young girl shouldn&#039;t have to be &quot;punished with a baby&quot; (in Obama&#039;s term) and Pappa preaching at her for enjoying her sexuality.

But Pappa don&#039;t preach any more, and there aren&#039;t many babies.  There isn&#039;t even much sex, and certainly not guiltless, joyous sex. I don&#039;t think even most of the people reading Neo are willing to give up on the promises of feminism, but surveys show most women aren&#039;t happy.  Despite RBG&#039;s demise, I think perhaps the oomph that often made women one-issue voters on abortion may fading.

And look at the ruins of our culture: again the joylessness, the anger, the humorlessness, the ugliness.  We can&#039;t produce much, though we&#039;ve made some nice bike paths and waterside parks with the ruins of our industrial base.  We had some prosperity because our political stability made us an attractive place for the world to park its money, but that looks like it&#039;s about to go poof.  Our fashion has more or less devolved into crudely sewn (abroad) t-shirts that are ok on good-looking women, but don&#039;t allow the less than perfect a way to look and feel good about themselves (thanks Neo for the corset-video) and fashion that is designed to challenge your repugnance, not to allure or attract -- the opposite in fact, as heterosexual attraction at least is now iffy.  The level of (mainline) art, movies, music, graphic design has collapsed, and has literacy and numeracy in journalism.   

Some of this was exemplified in that pathetic DNC video of the 54 year old youth anthem, &quot;For What It&#039;s Worth&quot; accompanied by its original geriatric guitarist, and sung or lip-synched without conviction by someone designed to meet the woke targets of &quot;ooh Black Guy, ooh Gay, ooh Gender-bending Costume.&quot;  Meant to be edgy, seemed totally pathetic to me.  

In short, they may even be noticing that they&#039;ve dug a dry well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the most superficial level, the problem is that it&#8217;s all devolved to be tribal.  If I state not a philosophical position, not even a political opinion, but something as basic as a fact that seems to support a &#8220;Red&#8221; position, the reaction ranges from discomfort to anger, and in all cases an end to the conversation.  Saw this the other day with someone who trotted out a lamentation she&#8217;d doubtless heard on tv about how awful it was that schools were opening.  Was she relieved when I told her kids and their relatively young teachers are at little risk from Covid? Or rebut me that they were so?  Did an informed discussion of risk and reward follow?  No, I had shown I was a bad, unenlightened one of &#8220;them&#8221; endangering the world with my selfish, stupid, republicanism.  </p>
<p>And the left has been tailoring their messages to stoke this, to delegitimize any dissenting opinions and license the non-personing of those that hold them.  And they are getting almost to Rwanda level of rhetoric with that. </p>
<p>But at a deeper level, the blue tribe sees the red tribe as purveyors of the Judeo-Christian Morality that they believe oppresses them.  I think that&#8217;s why the label of &#8220;liberal&#8221; for these people still sticks, although they&#8217;ve long since ceased to believe in the liberal process.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t you dare impose your morals on me!&#8221; they cry.  </p>
<p>On a deeper level still, how is that liberation working out?  Abortion is interesting.  Even with birth control, you couldn&#8217;t have sexual liberation or even feminism without abortion &#8212; just too many &#8220;accidents.&#8221;  A  young girl shouldn&#8217;t have to be &#8220;punished with a baby&#8221; (in Obama&#8217;s term) and Pappa preaching at her for enjoying her sexuality.</p>
<p>But Pappa don&#8217;t preach any more, and there aren&#8217;t many babies.  There isn&#8217;t even much sex, and certainly not guiltless, joyous sex. I don&#8217;t think even most of the people reading Neo are willing to give up on the promises of feminism, but surveys show most women aren&#8217;t happy.  Despite RBG&#8217;s demise, I think perhaps the oomph that often made women one-issue voters on abortion may fading.</p>
<p>And look at the ruins of our culture: again the joylessness, the anger, the humorlessness, the ugliness.  We can&#8217;t produce much, though we&#8217;ve made some nice bike paths and waterside parks with the ruins of our industrial base.  We had some prosperity because our political stability made us an attractive place for the world to park its money, but that looks like it&#8217;s about to go poof.  Our fashion has more or less devolved into crudely sewn (abroad) t-shirts that are ok on good-looking women, but don&#8217;t allow the less than perfect a way to look and feel good about themselves (thanks Neo for the corset-video) and fashion that is designed to challenge your repugnance, not to allure or attract &#8212; the opposite in fact, as heterosexual attraction at least is now iffy.  The level of (mainline) art, movies, music, graphic design has collapsed, and has literacy and numeracy in journalism.   </p>
<p>Some of this was exemplified in that pathetic DNC video of the 54 year old youth anthem, &#8220;For What It&#8217;s Worth&#8221; accompanied by its original geriatric guitarist, and sung or lip-synched without conviction by someone designed to meet the woke targets of &#8220;ooh Black Guy, ooh Gay, ooh Gender-bending Costume.&#8221;  Meant to be edgy, seemed totally pathetic to me.  </p>
<p>In short, they may even be noticing that they&#8217;ve dug a dry well.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW,
&quot;I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.&quot; usually attributed to Mark Twain]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW,<br />
&#8220;I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.&#8221; usually attributed to Mark Twain</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux8GZAtCN-M&#038;t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEdIPk1L1RU

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=walkaay]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux8GZAtCN-M&#038;t=2s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux8GZAtCN-M&#038;t=2s</a><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEdIPk1L1RU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEdIPk1L1RU</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=walkaay" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=walkaay</a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neither of these political red vs blue activists or fanatics are &quot;awake&quot; in the sense that Ymar is awake.

If anyone is close to awakening, it would be Q anon observers and researchers.

&lt;b&gt;If you haven’t started prepping yet for CW2, now might be a good time.&lt;/b&gt;

Big sea change from back when people hated on Ymar&#039;s comments about Civil War 2. Now they have even more hate, except they can&#039;t find a topic now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither of these political red vs blue activists or fanatics are &#8220;awake&#8221; in the sense that Ymar is awake.</p>
<p>If anyone is close to awakening, it would be Q anon observers and researchers.</p>
<p><b>If you haven’t started prepping yet for CW2, now might be a good time.</b></p>
<p>Big sea change from back when people hated on Ymar&#8217;s comments about Civil War 2. Now they have even more hate, except they can&#8217;t find a topic now.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 05:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, Red State has, at this time of writing, 7 posts up about RBG that pretty much cover the water-front of issues facing the nation.

If you haven&#039;t started prepping yet for CW2, now might be a good time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, Red State has, at this time of writing, 7 posts up about RBG that pretty much cover the water-front of issues facing the nation.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t started prepping yet for CW2, now might be a good time.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 05:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know nothing about this &quot;star&quot; but she might have some success reaching the unreachable who DO know her.

https://www.redstate.com/mike_miller/2020/09/18/%e2%80%98o.c.%e2%80%99-actress-samaire-armstrong-backs-trump-in-fiery-video-%e2%80%98far-left-mob%e2%80%99-has-silenced-americans/
&lt;blockquote&gt;“I look at both sides of the party system and assess what’s going on. I intentionally decided to vote Trump — again — and if you can’t tell that Hillary, and Kamala, and Biden are out of their minds and have been in politics for — some of them almost 50 years — and are the reason for all of this ‘systemic racism’ injustice, and you continue to vote for them to keep them in place?

“I’m sorry, then you’re part of the problem because you’ve been duped into believing that the Democrat Party are [sic] for the people.”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know nothing about this &#8220;star&#8221; but she might have some success reaching the unreachable who DO know her.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.redstate.com/mike_miller/2020/09/18/%e2%80%98o.c.%e2%80%99-actress-samaire-armstrong-backs-trump-in-fiery-video-%e2%80%98far-left-mob%e2%80%99-has-silenced-americans/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.redstate.com/mike_miller/2020/09/18/%e2%80%98o.c.%e2%80%99-actress-samaire-armstrong-backs-trump-in-fiery-video-%e2%80%98far-left-mob%e2%80%99-has-silenced-americans/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>“I look at both sides of the party system and assess what’s going on. I intentionally decided to vote Trump — again — and if you can’t tell that Hillary, and Kamala, and Biden are out of their minds and have been in politics for — some of them almost 50 years — and are the reason for all of this ‘systemic racism’ injustice, and you continue to vote for them to keep them in place?</p>
<p>“I’m sorry, then you’re part of the problem because you’ve been duped into believing that the Democrat Party are [sic] for the people.”
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