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		By: CBI		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/07/reflections-on-wearing-18th-century-clothing/#comment-2514393</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2020 03:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The question arises:  if 18th C. clothing was that much better . . . then why did she stop wearing it everyday?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question arises:  if 18th C. clothing was that much better . . . then why did she stop wearing it everyday?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/07/reflections-on-wearing-18th-century-clothing/#comment-2514357</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2020 23:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, T - that was an interesting find!
I love learning about historic clothing (used to do theater in college) and you are right: there are only so many things that one can do to cover certain parts of the anatomy.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/medieval-underwear-bras-pants-and-lingerie-in-the-middle-ages/
&quot;This article was first published in the August 2012 issue of BBC History Magazine &quot;

https://rosaliegilbert.com/bras.html
&quot;The Medieval Woman&quot;
This site has lots and lots and lots of pages for different parts of clothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, T &#8211; that was an interesting find!<br />
I love learning about historic clothing (used to do theater in college) and you are right: there are only so many things that one can do to cover certain parts of the anatomy.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/medieval-underwear-bras-pants-and-lingerie-in-the-middle-ages/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/medieval-underwear-bras-pants-and-lingerie-in-the-middle-ages/</a><br />
&#8220;This article was first published in the August 2012 issue of BBC History Magazine &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://rosaliegilbert.com/bras.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://rosaliegilbert.com/bras.html</a><br />
&#8220;The Medieval Woman&#8221;<br />
This site has lots and lots and lots of pages for different parts of clothing.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/07/reflections-on-wearing-18th-century-clothing/#comment-2514247</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2020 01:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

As I mentioned I wasn&#039;t disagreeing.  I understood the timeline.  I was just pointing out how humans, including myself, have a tendency to be somewhat culturally chauvinistic.  We can&#039;t conceive of past societies doing what we do without the technology we have.  A good example is the late medieval brassiere (13th century IIRC) that was discovered several years ago.  The article&#039;s author marveled at how much it looked like its modern counterpart.  Well, women&#039;s bodies haven&#039;t changed THAT much in 800 years, so if one is fabricating something for a woman&#039;s body then why would it NOT look similar to its modern equivalent?  Why the astonishment?  It speaks more to our modern cultural narcissism than anything else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>As I mentioned I wasn&#8217;t disagreeing.  I understood the timeline.  I was just pointing out how humans, including myself, have a tendency to be somewhat culturally chauvinistic.  We can&#8217;t conceive of past societies doing what we do without the technology we have.  A good example is the late medieval brassiere (13th century IIRC) that was discovered several years ago.  The article&#8217;s author marveled at how much it looked like its modern counterpart.  Well, women&#8217;s bodies haven&#8217;t changed THAT much in 800 years, so if one is fabricating something for a woman&#8217;s body then why would it NOT look similar to its modern equivalent?  Why the astonishment?  It speaks more to our modern cultural narcissism than anything else.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/07/reflections-on-wearing-18th-century-clothing/#comment-2514240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2020 01:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.

Now Sam McGee was from Tennessee, where the cotton blooms and blows.
Why he left his home in the South to roam &#039;round the Pole, God only knows.
He was always cold, but the land of gold seemed to hold him like a spell;
Though he&#039;d often say in his homely way that he&#039;d &quot;sooner live in hell&quot;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I won&#039;t spoil the punchline, but talking about dressing for cold weather &#038; migrating Eskimos* triggered one of my favorite Robert Service poems.

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-cremation-of-sam-mcgee/

*(would YOU have gone back, once you found a warm location, just to get the cousins who always complained that you weren&#039;t sharing your blubber fairly?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There are strange things done in the midnight sun<br />
By the men who moil for gold;<br />
The Arctic trails have their secret tales<br />
That would make your blood run cold;<br />
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,<br />
But the queerest they ever did see<br />
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge<br />
I cremated Sam McGee.</p>
<p>Now Sam McGee was from Tennessee, where the cotton blooms and blows.<br />
Why he left his home in the South to roam &#8217;round the Pole, God only knows.<br />
He was always cold, but the land of gold seemed to hold him like a spell;<br />
Though he&#8217;d often say in his homely way that he&#8217;d &#8220;sooner live in hell&#8221;.
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<p>I won&#8217;t spoil the punchline, but talking about dressing for cold weather &amp; migrating Eskimos* triggered one of my favorite Robert Service poems.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-cremation-of-sam-mcgee/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-cremation-of-sam-mcgee/</a></p>
<p>*(would YOU have gone back, once you found a warm location, just to get the cousins who always complained that you weren&#8217;t sharing your blubber fairly?)</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/07/reflections-on-wearing-18th-century-clothing/#comment-2514237</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2020 00:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What were normal clothes were when I was just starting out in adult life are now considered literally archaic.  I may be the last lawyer on the Westside of LA who wore a suit and tie to work every day, b.c. (before Covid).  People would frequently ask me, &quot;Why do you wear a suit?  Who does that, anymore?&quot;  Basically, because that&#039;s what lawyers wore in Philadelphia when I started out, and I&#039;m too damned ornery to change.  (I bought a couple of seersucker suits, which were normal summer wear, and they are much more comfortable than a lot of clothes people wear.  On those very, very rare days when I have to go to court, I can wear a seersucker in the summer and be perfectly dressed and very comfortable, while the other lawyers were looking very out-of-sorts.)   Also, because when I walk into a meeting, I don&#039;t have to fight for a place in the meeting hierarchy -- everybody knows I&#039;m the lawyer.  Alas, I have now fallen into evil ways, and when I go to the office a few times a week, I wear Hawaiian shirts and khakis, and there is a high probability I may continue that whenever Gavin Newsome lets us out of confinement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What were normal clothes were when I was just starting out in adult life are now considered literally archaic.  I may be the last lawyer on the Westside of LA who wore a suit and tie to work every day, b.c. (before Covid).  People would frequently ask me, &#8220;Why do you wear a suit?  Who does that, anymore?&#8221;  Basically, because that&#8217;s what lawyers wore in Philadelphia when I started out, and I&#8217;m too damned ornery to change.  (I bought a couple of seersucker suits, which were normal summer wear, and they are much more comfortable than a lot of clothes people wear.  On those very, very rare days when I have to go to court, I can wear a seersucker in the summer and be perfectly dressed and very comfortable, while the other lawyers were looking very out-of-sorts.)   Also, because when I walk into a meeting, I don&#8217;t have to fight for a place in the meeting hierarchy &#8212; everybody knows I&#8217;m the lawyer.  Alas, I have now fallen into evil ways, and when I go to the office a few times a week, I wear Hawaiian shirts and khakis, and there is a high probability I may continue that whenever Gavin Newsome lets us out of confinement.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/07/reflections-on-wearing-18th-century-clothing/#comment-2514212</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2020 21:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus and Zaphod:

The under floor house heating system using a burner fueled by wood or coal(?) hearth is also used in South Korea but has been known to kill entire families by carbon monoxide (CO). (Does North Korea have heat?) 

Hydronic systems (circulation of hot water) through tubing embedded under the floor in grout or affixed beneath a wood floor is a high end heating option that has replaced electric heated floor systems IIRC. It can be efficient (not the same as inexpensive) if a heat pump is used to warm the water.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus and Zaphod:</p>
<p>The under floor house heating system using a burner fueled by wood or coal(?) hearth is also used in South Korea but has been known to kill entire families by carbon monoxide (CO). (Does North Korea have heat?) </p>
<p>Hydronic systems (circulation of hot water) through tubing embedded under the floor in grout or affixed beneath a wood floor is a high end heating option that has replaced electric heated floor systems IIRC. It can be efficient (not the same as inexpensive) if a heat pump is used to warm the water.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/09/07/reflections-on-wearing-18th-century-clothing/#comment-2514204</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2020 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[T:

Actually, I wrote in the post that the tattoo returned during the 1800s. But the video is about the 18th &lt;i&gt;Century&lt;/i&gt;, which is the 1700s.  And there were no tattoos here at that time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T:</p>
<p>Actually, I wrote in the post that the tattoo returned during the 1800s. But the video is about the 18th <i>Century</i>, which is the 1700s.  And there were no tattoos here at that time.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2020 20:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just an aside regarding female tattoos.

There is a series about building the transcontinental railroad, &lt;i&gt;Hell on Wheels&lt;/i&gt;, which I found to be particularly dedicated to visual accuracy.  I thought it pretty impressive except for the first time I saw the character &quot;Eva&quot; (played by Robin MacLeavy).  They showed her with a particularly obvious chin tattoo.  My reaction was, well, so much for historical accuracy.  Sometime later I stumbled across the 19th century photograph of Olive Oatman, and to my surprise there it was, the historical reference of that same tattoo.

I&#039;m not implying that Neo&#039;s comment about the arm tattoo is incorrect, hardly so.  I&#039;m just noting that we make so many stereotypical assumptions about the past that we oftentimes forget that in these earlier eras people didn&#039;t stop being people.  We often react to the discovery of details from past societies like an adolescent first reacting to the discovery of sex:  &quot;You mean, Mom and Dad???? . . . . Gramma and Grampa????!!!!&quot;

(note:  Sorry I can&#039;t provide photos, but the images of these women will pop right up if you do an internet search by name)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an aside regarding female tattoos.</p>
<p>There is a series about building the transcontinental railroad, <i>Hell on Wheels</i>, which I found to be particularly dedicated to visual accuracy.  I thought it pretty impressive except for the first time I saw the character &#8220;Eva&#8221; (played by Robin MacLeavy).  They showed her with a particularly obvious chin tattoo.  My reaction was, well, so much for historical accuracy.  Sometime later I stumbled across the 19th century photograph of Olive Oatman, and to my surprise there it was, the historical reference of that same tattoo.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not implying that Neo&#8217;s comment about the arm tattoo is incorrect, hardly so.  I&#8217;m just noting that we make so many stereotypical assumptions about the past that we oftentimes forget that in these earlier eras people didn&#8217;t stop being people.  We often react to the discovery of details from past societies like an adolescent first reacting to the discovery of sex:  &#8220;You mean, Mom and Dad???? . . . . Gramma and Grampa????!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>(note:  Sorry I can&#8217;t provide photos, but the images of these women will pop right up if you do an internet search by name)</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2020 19:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Estoy Listo:

One of the things mentioned in the video is that it was the linen undergarments that tended to absorb sweat, etc., and I beieve they were washed much more easily and often.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://madameisistoilette.blogspot.com/2014/09/keeping-clean-in-18th-century.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;See this&lt;/a&gt; for information about personal hygiene, as well as the linen undergarments. You can find more more about it &lt;a href=&quot;https://kimrendfeld.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/laundry-in-the-18th-and-early-19th-centuries/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estoy Listo:</p>
<p>One of the things mentioned in the video is that it was the linen undergarments that tended to absorb sweat, etc., and I beieve they were washed much more easily and often.</p>
<p><a href="http://madameisistoilette.blogspot.com/2014/09/keeping-clean-in-18th-century.html" rel="nofollow ugc">See this</a> for information about personal hygiene, as well as the linen undergarments. You can find more more about it <a href="https://kimrendfeld.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/laundry-in-the-18th-and-early-19th-centuries/" rel="nofollow ugc">here</a>.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2020 18:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod,

Regarding the hypocaust, it&#039;s been in Europe and Canada for awhile and becoming more common in the U.S., a honeycomb of pipes carrying warm water under a floor (almost always wood or tile). Driveways with such systems under concrete are even used for melting snow on some homes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod,</p>
<p>Regarding the hypocaust, it&#8217;s been in Europe and Canada for awhile and becoming more common in the U.S., a honeycomb of pipes carrying warm water under a floor (almost always wood or tile). Driveways with such systems under concrete are even used for melting snow on some homes.</p>
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