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		By: micha		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/29/the-jacob-blake-narrative-on-getting-the-story-straight/#comment-2513167</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2020 09:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ mikesixes:   There should be other ways of stopping a fugative (who was not even running away) than shooting him in the back (i.e. a potentially fatal part of the body). Even if he would have tried to escape in the car, the officers could have shot the tyres flat.  I am wondering if the discussion here would go in a similar direction, if the rapist&#039;s name would not be Jacob Blake, but Jeffrey Epstein, Prince Andrew or Brett Kavanaugh ??   Would you also justify them beeing shot and paralyzed by police bullets ?
Here in Germany (and many other places in the world), the majority of people are really shocked by the obvious deterioration of civil and human values in the US. This has nothing to do with a conservative political agenda, but it is the end of any political program. It shows a frightening split in the US society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mikesixes:   There should be other ways of stopping a fugative (who was not even running away) than shooting him in the back (i.e. a potentially fatal part of the body). Even if he would have tried to escape in the car, the officers could have shot the tyres flat.  I am wondering if the discussion here would go in a similar direction, if the rapist&#8217;s name would not be Jacob Blake, but Jeffrey Epstein, Prince Andrew or Brett Kavanaugh ??   Would you also justify them beeing shot and paralyzed by police bullets ?<br />
Here in Germany (and many other places in the world), the majority of people are really shocked by the obvious deterioration of civil and human values in the US. This has nothing to do with a conservative political agenda, but it is the end of any political program. It shows a frightening split in the US society.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/29/the-jacob-blake-narrative-on-getting-the-story-straight/#comment-2513048</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 19:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One can say almost the same about Trump.
 - Micha

One could say &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; the same about Biden.
(I see that Tara Reade has dropped out of the media cycle these days.)

Since neither of those men has resisted arrest, assaulted police officers, or tried to flee with children in a stolen car, neither example is relevant.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/tara-reade-democrats-complicit-in-ignoring-biden-claims/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can say almost the same about Trump.<br />
 &#8211; Micha</p>
<p>One could say <em>exactly</em> the same about Biden.<br />
(I see that Tara Reade has dropped out of the media cycle these days.)</p>
<p>Since neither of those men has resisted arrest, assaulted police officers, or tried to flee with children in a stolen car, neither example is relevant.</p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/tara-reade-democrats-complicit-in-ignoring-biden-claims/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/tara-reade-democrats-complicit-in-ignoring-biden-claims/</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/29/the-jacob-blake-narrative-on-getting-the-story-straight/#comment-2513047</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scipio - the entire musical play &quot;1776&quot; is brilliant in conception and execution (I was expecting the well-known film clip; very interesting to see an alternative production). 

This comment from that video expresses what so many Americans have missed out on learning, due to the carefully engineered flaws in their education:
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Travis Sloan 4 months ago
So many of the signers lost loved ones, land, their property, and some even their lives. They were voting for something bigger than themselves. They knew it wasn’t going to be easy, but &lt;b&gt;sometimes the easy path isn’t the right path. &lt;/b&gt;Thank God for these men and the men who died for a country they never got to see fully realized.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scipio &#8211; the entire musical play &#8220;1776&#8221; is brilliant in conception and execution (I was expecting the well-known film clip; very interesting to see an alternative production). </p>
<p>This comment from that video expresses what so many Americans have missed out on learning, due to the carefully engineered flaws in their education:</p>
<blockquote><p>Travis Sloan 4 months ago<br />
So many of the signers lost loved ones, land, their property, and some even their lives. They were voting for something bigger than themselves. They knew it wasn’t going to be easy, but <b>sometimes the easy path isn’t the right path. </b>Thank God for these men and the men who died for a country they never got to see fully realized.</p></blockquote>
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		By: mikesixes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Micha, should they have tried to drag the knife-wielding taser-proof rapist out of the car at great risk to their own lives, or should they have let him flee the scene with a car full of kids?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micha, should they have tried to drag the knife-wielding taser-proof rapist out of the car at great risk to their own lives, or should they have let him flee the scene with a car full of kids?</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 17:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just read up on Barnes&#039; background. He&#039;s a career politician. From what I gather he&#039;s been on the &quot;social justice&quot; career path for most of his professional political career and it was a strong focus during his college tenure (he never graduated from university). He was elected into Wisconsin&#039;s State Assembly at 25.  I am not sure how well he did in accomplishing his promises to the residents of Wisconsin (clean air, affordable healthcare etc.), but it seems like the residents of Wisconsin are really high on feel-good platforms because I can&#039;t find one statistic showing any state improvements while he was in office. His wiki bio just lists all the organizations he was a part of (all solidly left of center, union/Teamsters). I think it&#039;s safe to say he&#039;s another &quot;social justice&quot; type that runs on indignation thinking he&#039;s accomplishing something.

Micha: &quot;Defending the current US government in general, and its ignorance of police violence and right-extremists &quot;

You act like &quot;right-extremists&quot; are running around across America like orcs.  Also President Trump has actually addressed police violence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read up on Barnes&#8217; background. He&#8217;s a career politician. From what I gather he&#8217;s been on the &#8220;social justice&#8221; career path for most of his professional political career and it was a strong focus during his college tenure (he never graduated from university). He was elected into Wisconsin&#8217;s State Assembly at 25.  I am not sure how well he did in accomplishing his promises to the residents of Wisconsin (clean air, affordable healthcare etc.), but it seems like the residents of Wisconsin are really high on feel-good platforms because I can&#8217;t find one statistic showing any state improvements while he was in office. His wiki bio just lists all the organizations he was a part of (all solidly left of center, union/Teamsters). I think it&#8217;s safe to say he&#8217;s another &#8220;social justice&#8221; type that runs on indignation thinking he&#8217;s accomplishing something.</p>
<p>Micha: &#8220;Defending the current US government in general, and its ignorance of police violence and right-extremists &#8221;</p>
<p>You act like &#8220;right-extremists&#8221; are running around across America like orcs.  Also President Trump has actually addressed police violence.</p>
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		By: micha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You wrote (as a fact to show his criminal intention) that &quot;...it said he was wanted for felony third-degree sexual assault. &quot;
One can say almost the same about Trump. The question is if this justifies an attempted murder by the police. And shooting someone 7 times in the upper chest region (damaging the spinal cord) is nothing less than this. Theres is no excuse, it was damned obvious that the police officer Rusten Sheskey has no respect of a black mans life. It was just fortunate, that the bullets did not hit the heart or the aorta. The world is simply horrified by the extend of police violence under the Trump legislation and how supportive he is to allow anybody walk around with assault rifles, like this 17year old Kyle Rittenhouse who confused a protest march with a ego-shooter computer game. The explanation by his lawyer, that Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense, is the most blatant lie.
Defending the current US government in general, and its ignorance of police violence and right-extremists has very little to do with a conservative or neo-conservative politic view. It mistakes conservatism with dismissal of civil standards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote (as a fact to show his criminal intention) that &#8220;&#8230;it said he was wanted for felony third-degree sexual assault. &#8221;<br />
One can say almost the same about Trump. The question is if this justifies an attempted murder by the police. And shooting someone 7 times in the upper chest region (damaging the spinal cord) is nothing less than this. Theres is no excuse, it was damned obvious that the police officer Rusten Sheskey has no respect of a black mans life. It was just fortunate, that the bullets did not hit the heart or the aorta. The world is simply horrified by the extend of police violence under the Trump legislation and how supportive he is to allow anybody walk around with assault rifles, like this 17year old Kyle Rittenhouse who confused a protest march with a ego-shooter computer game. The explanation by his lawyer, that Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense, is the most blatant lie.<br />
Defending the current US government in general, and its ignorance of police violence and right-extremists has very little to do with a conservative or neo-conservative politic view. It mistakes conservatism with dismissal of civil standards.</p>
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		By: Scipio Australianus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 02:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Cicero. Much obliged. I stand corrected. (Biggly).

(At this rate, next you&#039;ll be telling me that Emma Lazarus DIDN&#039;T pen the Declaration of Independence). She did, didn&#039;t she?

But seriously, I did know, intellectually, that the passage came from the Declaration but rushed it and didn&#039;t check before pressing &quot;send&quot;. 

For the same reason my comment ended up posted under the wrong discussion. I would have made more sense had I posted, as I had intended, under the &quot;Kyle Rittenhouse&quot; article.  

While we&#039;re on the subject, I do love your Declaration of Independence - but not for the usual reason of the beauty of the words &quot;We hold these truths to be self-evident...&quot; as stunningly inspiring as they are. I seem to be almost alone where I live in venerating most highly of all the final few lines in which your founding fathers pledge &quot;our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honour&quot;.

People I talk to seem to pass over it as a formulaic signing-off, which it isn&#039;t. Had your revolution failed Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, the Adamses, et al, would indeed have ended their lives on His Majesty&#039;s gallows, condemned forever as traitors and their fortunes forfeited to the Crown. And these chaps, lawyers mostly and men of affairs all, knew that. It just astounds me.

Here is about the best 3 minutes of tv I&#039;ve ever seen. It rings so true. Notice that contrary to what the short-sighted would assume to have been the case, there was no joy or even happiness on the passing of the resolution in favour of independence. The silence of these very worldly men rings loudly and shows they were very much aware of the hardships that were to follow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8dNUOqHQGo

Strange:all of these men were well-to-do and already socially prominent under the regime they took such risks to overthrow. Talk about men of principle! Talk about a contrast with today&#039;s sorry non-&quot;leaders&quot;.

At Uni, my constitutional law teacher had just returned from completing her Masters at Yale and warned us at the opening of the first tutorial not to read anything touching on the American revolution until after completing the course or we&#039;d be sorely disappointed with our own founding fathers.

I remember her words: &quot;Be warned, your constitution is largely about potatoes and their right to be trucked unhindered between the states&quot;. It&#039;s proven a functional, efficient arrangement but there&#039;s certainly no ringing assertions of the rights of man in it or its ancilliary documents. It&#039;s why we didn&#039;t need to fight a war to win our nationhood and why our constitution began life first as a Bill and then an Act of the British parliament. It&#039;s also why we all remain here &quot;subjects&quot; of the Queen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Cicero. Much obliged. I stand corrected. (Biggly).</p>
<p>(At this rate, next you&#8217;ll be telling me that Emma Lazarus DIDN&#8217;T pen the Declaration of Independence). She did, didn&#8217;t she?</p>
<p>But seriously, I did know, intellectually, that the passage came from the Declaration but rushed it and didn&#8217;t check before pressing &#8220;send&#8221;. </p>
<p>For the same reason my comment ended up posted under the wrong discussion. I would have made more sense had I posted, as I had intended, under the &#8220;Kyle Rittenhouse&#8221; article.  </p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on the subject, I do love your Declaration of Independence &#8211; but not for the usual reason of the beauty of the words &#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident&#8230;&#8221; as stunningly inspiring as they are. I seem to be almost alone where I live in venerating most highly of all the final few lines in which your founding fathers pledge &#8220;our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honour&#8221;.</p>
<p>People I talk to seem to pass over it as a formulaic signing-off, which it isn&#8217;t. Had your revolution failed Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, the Adamses, et al, would indeed have ended their lives on His Majesty&#8217;s gallows, condemned forever as traitors and their fortunes forfeited to the Crown. And these chaps, lawyers mostly and men of affairs all, knew that. It just astounds me.</p>
<p>Here is about the best 3 minutes of tv I&#8217;ve ever seen. It rings so true. Notice that contrary to what the short-sighted would assume to have been the case, there was no joy or even happiness on the passing of the resolution in favour of independence. The silence of these very worldly men rings loudly and shows they were very much aware of the hardships that were to follow.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8dNUOqHQGo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8dNUOqHQGo</a></p>
<p>Strange:all of these men were well-to-do and already socially prominent under the regime they took such risks to overthrow. Talk about men of principle! Talk about a contrast with today&#8217;s sorry non-&#8220;leaders&#8221;.</p>
<p>At Uni, my constitutional law teacher had just returned from completing her Masters at Yale and warned us at the opening of the first tutorial not to read anything touching on the American revolution until after completing the course or we&#8217;d be sorely disappointed with our own founding fathers.</p>
<p>I remember her words: &#8220;Be warned, your constitution is largely about potatoes and their right to be trucked unhindered between the states&#8221;. It&#8217;s proven a functional, efficient arrangement but there&#8217;s certainly no ringing assertions of the rights of man in it or its ancilliary documents. It&#8217;s why we didn&#8217;t need to fight a war to win our nationhood and why our constitution began life first as a Bill and then an Act of the British parliament. It&#8217;s also why we all remain here &#8220;subjects&#8221; of the Queen.</p>
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		By: Mikesixes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a couple of questions that I haven&#039;t seen addressed. Did Blake bring those kids with him, and was that his car? If he was preparing to flee the scene with the kids in a car he stole from his girlfriend (she did say that he took her keys), it makes the shooting look even more justified.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple of questions that I haven&#8217;t seen addressed. Did Blake bring those kids with him, and was that his car? If he was preparing to flee the scene with the kids in a car he stole from his girlfriend (she did say that he took her keys), it makes the shooting look even more justified.</p>
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		By: ColoComment		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2020 22:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are also references online to 2015 charges of illegal firearms against Blake, but that those charges were withdrawn by prosecutors due to witness issues.

Pure speculation on my part: if those earlier charges were known to these cops via records available to dispatch, that could have led to concern that Blake could possibly have been trying to access a gun in his car.

Caveat: I&#039;m not trying to start or promote rumor. This is just pure conjecture on my part.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also references online to 2015 charges of illegal firearms against Blake, but that those charges were withdrawn by prosecutors due to witness issues.</p>
<p>Pure speculation on my part: if those earlier charges were known to these cops via records available to dispatch, that could have led to concern that Blake could possibly have been trying to access a gun in his car.</p>
<p>Caveat: I&#8217;m not trying to start or promote rumor. This is just pure conjecture on my part.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2020 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cicero:

And don&#039;t forget Biden&#039;s advisor Ann  (the one who worships Mao)  What&#039;s-Her-Name. and the BLM&#039;s Red Guards in DC.  The Dem&#039;s love their CCP, it&#039;s the &quot;arc of history&quot; don&#039;t you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cicero:</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget Biden&#8217;s advisor Ann  (the one who worships Mao)  What&#8217;s-Her-Name. and the BLM&#8217;s Red Guards in DC.  The Dem&#8217;s love their CCP, it&#8217;s the &#8220;arc of history&#8221; don&#8217;t you know.</p>
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