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		By: Facts emerging. What&#8217;s that narrative, again?		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The pattern: in the Floyd case and others, early propaganda vs. later evidence. Neo – “It’s striking how often it happens.” … “But maybe, just maybe, more people have actually gotten fed up with propaganda and lies.” [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The pattern: in the Floyd case and others, early propaganda vs. later evidence. Neo – “It’s striking how often it happens.” … “But maybe, just maybe, more people have actually gotten fed up with propaganda and lies.” [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 06:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cap&#039;n Rusty on August 29, 2020 at 12:02 am said:
Without enforcement, there can be no law. .. without law, there can be no “crime.”
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There is a doctrine very like this in the Book of Mormon.  

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/9.25?lang=eng&#038;clang=eng#p25
2 Nephi 9:25 &quot;Wherefore, he has given a law; and &lt;b&gt;where there is no law given there is no punishment; &lt;/b&gt;and where there is no punishment there is no condemnation; and where there is no condemnation the mercies of the Holy One of Israel have claim upon them, because of the atonement; for they are delivered by the power of him.
26 For the atonement satisfieth the demands of his justice upon all those &lt;b&gt;who have not the law given to them,...&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

If there is no law against something in the first place, then there is no &quot;crime&quot; in doing it, and it would be unjust to condemn or punish that action.

But, the situation with these riots is that there ARE laws in place that are being broken; lack of enforcement is NOT the same as lack of law, and the action is still a crime even if it goes unpunished.

2 Nephi 9:27 &quot;But wo unto him that has the law given, yea, that has all the commandments of God, like unto us, and that transgresseth them, and that wasteth the days of his probation, for awful is his state!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap&#8217;n Rusty on August 29, 2020 at 12:02 am said:<br />
Without enforcement, there can be no law. .. without law, there can be no “crime.”<br />
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<p>There is a doctrine very like this in the Book of Mormon.  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/9.25?lang=eng&#038;clang=eng#p25" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/9.25?lang=eng&#038;clang=eng#p25</a><br />
2 Nephi 9:25 &#8220;Wherefore, he has given a law; and <b>where there is no law given there is no punishment; </b>and where there is no punishment there is no condemnation; and where there is no condemnation the mercies of the Holy One of Israel have claim upon them, because of the atonement; for they are delivered by the power of him.<br />
26 For the atonement satisfieth the demands of his justice upon all those <b>who have not the law given to them,&#8230;</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>If there is no law against something in the first place, then there is no &#8220;crime&#8221; in doing it, and it would be unjust to condemn or punish that action.</p>
<p>But, the situation with these riots is that there ARE laws in place that are being broken; lack of enforcement is NOT the same as lack of law, and the action is still a crime even if it goes unpunished.</p>
<p>2 Nephi 9:27 &#8220;But wo unto him that has the law given, yea, that has all the commandments of God, like unto us, and that transgresseth them, and that wasteth the days of his probation, for awful is his state!&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2020 04:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Griffin&#039;s tweet-link: &quot;Spent the last 36 hours walking around Kenosha in a daze. Large swathes of the city are indistinguishable from a war zone.&quot;

In April, when we didn&#039;t open up for Easter (as it is now clear we could, and probably should, have done), I consoled myself and friends with the observation that, bad as things were for our economy and personal lives, at least we were not as bad off as places like the Middle East, because we didn&#039;t have bombed out buildings and armies fighting in the streets.

This is all my fault.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Griffin&#8217;s tweet-link: &#8220;Spent the last 36 hours walking around Kenosha in a daze. Large swathes of the city are indistinguishable from a war zone.&#8221;</p>
<p>In April, when we didn&#8217;t open up for Easter (as it is now clear we could, and probably should, have done), I consoled myself and friends with the observation that, bad as things were for our economy and personal lives, at least we were not as bad off as places like the Middle East, because we didn&#8217;t have bombed out buildings and armies fighting in the streets.</p>
<p>This is all my fault.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/28/the-pattern-in-the-floyd-case-and-others-early-propaganda-vs-later-evidence/#comment-2512772</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 21:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Griffin:

Saint Skateboard of Kenosha may have a lot of company joining in his last pinhead dance. 

See https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/08/29/antifa-rioting-in-kenosha-were-armed-and-spoiling-for-a-gunfight-and-they-found-one/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin:</p>
<p>Saint Skateboard of Kenosha may have a lot of company joining in his last pinhead dance. </p>
<p>See <a href="https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/08/29/antifa-rioting-in-kenosha-were-armed-and-spoiling-for-a-gunfight-and-they-found-one/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/08/29/antifa-rioting-in-kenosha-were-armed-and-spoiling-for-a-gunfight-and-they-found-one/</a></p>
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		By: Griffin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Griffin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 18:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This could be any city in America. 

Today in Kenosha.

www.twitter.com/joshglancy/status/1299734436792197120

Truth and facts are meaningless this could be Anywhere USA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could be any city in America. </p>
<p>Today in Kenosha.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.twitter.com/joshglancy/status/1299734436792197120" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.twitter.com/joshglancy/status/1299734436792197120</a></p>
<p>Truth and facts are meaningless this could be Anywhere USA.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But maybe, just maybe, more people have actually gotten fed up with propaganda and lies.&quot;

I believe they have, but America is infested with thousands of police chiefs, sheriffs, mayors, prosecutors, governors, state and federal representatives and senators who owe their allegiance to George Soros and dozens of other billionaires who are funding the overthrow of our republic. Until they are stopped, the peoples&#039; wants are irrelevant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But maybe, just maybe, more people have actually gotten fed up with propaganda and lies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe they have, but America is infested with thousands of police chiefs, sheriffs, mayors, prosecutors, governors, state and federal representatives and senators who owe their allegiance to George Soros and dozens of other billionaires who are funding the overthrow of our republic. Until they are stopped, the peoples&#8217; wants are irrelevant.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And in Portland the rules imposed by a Circuit Judge for the &quot;press&quot; and LEOs have been stayed.  Don&#039;t come back from DC Antifa/BLM, the handcuffs may be off the Federal LEOs.

https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/29/9th-circuit-appeals-court-rejects-oregon-judges-tro-protecting-press-from-federal-agents-in-portland/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in Portland the rules imposed by a Circuit Judge for the &#8220;press&#8221; and LEOs have been stayed.  Don&#8217;t come back from DC Antifa/BLM, the handcuffs may be off the Federal LEOs.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/29/9th-circuit-appeals-court-rejects-oregon-judges-tro-protecting-press-from-federal-agents-in-portland/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/29/9th-circuit-appeals-court-rejects-oregon-judges-tro-protecting-press-from-federal-agents-in-portland/</a></p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Prosecution is ONLY valid when there is conclusive evidence of a crime. Self-defense is not a crime, regardless of how much leftist prosecutors wish to make it so. 

This is political prosecution and it morally and objectively  disqualifies any prosecutor from office who engages in it. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The greatest tyrannies are always perpetuated in the name of the noblest causes.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Thomas Paine 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  Baron de Montesquieu

&lt;i&gt;&quot;When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  Thomas Jefferson 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Thomas Jefferson 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of &quot;emergency&quot;. It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And &quot;emergency&quot; became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Herbert Hoover]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prosecution is ONLY valid when there is conclusive evidence of a crime. Self-defense is not a crime, regardless of how much leftist prosecutors wish to make it so. </p>
<p>This is political prosecution and it morally and objectively  disqualifies any prosecutor from office who engages in it. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;The greatest tyrannies are always perpetuated in the name of the noblest causes.&#8221;</i> Thomas Paine </p>
<p><i>&#8220;There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.&#8221;</i>  Baron de Montesquieu</p>
<p><i>&#8220;When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.&#8221;</i>  Thomas Jefferson </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.&#8221;</i> Thomas Jefferson </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of &#8220;emergency&#8221;. It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And &#8220;emergency&#8221; became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains.&#8221;</i> Herbert Hoover</p>
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		By: richf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The prosecutors will prosecute because that&#039;s what prosecutors do... it&#039;s what prosecutors are FOR.

What the jury will do is an entirely different matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prosecutors will prosecute because that&#8217;s what prosecutors do&#8230; it&#8217;s what prosecutors are FOR.</p>
<p>What the jury will do is an entirely different matter.</p>
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		By: Chris J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not having read all of the comments, perhaps this point was already made: the great thing about our justice system is that trial by jury in criminal cases must result in a unanimous decision for a conviction and that the defense gets to participate in jury selection.  This means all it takes is for the defense to be able to seat one unbiased juror to get, at the very least, a hung jury on a 1st degree murder charge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not having read all of the comments, perhaps this point was already made: the great thing about our justice system is that trial by jury in criminal cases must result in a unanimous decision for a conviction and that the defense gets to participate in jury selection.  This means all it takes is for the defense to be able to seat one unbiased juror to get, at the very least, a hung jury on a 1st degree murder charge.</p>
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