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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/24/is-it-really-so-stupid-to-wear-masks-in-the-car-while-alone/#comment-2512241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Devices to treat smaller objects may be less.&quot; - R2L

I just got a hand-held UV light at Ace for $22.
No way to test if it is actually doing anything, but I&#039;m not going to depend on it as a universal panacea.
Just a possible addition to the viral-load-reducing protocol.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Devices to treat smaller objects may be less.&#8221; &#8211; R2L</p>
<p>I just got a hand-held UV light at Ace for $22.<br />
No way to test if it is actually doing anything, but I&#8217;m not going to depend on it as a universal panacea.<br />
Just a possible addition to the viral-load-reducing protocol.</p>
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		By: Presbypoet		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/24/is-it-really-so-stupid-to-wear-masks-in-the-car-while-alone/#comment-2512233</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Presbypoet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Got out the N 95 mask to walk today, in the San Jose area. It did reduce some smoke. Normally wear a torn mask that covers my beard when we walk. It makes my wife happy. She watches MSNBC. We haven&#039;t killed each other yet.

The organization I work for does work for the CDC. They sent us some cloth masks, pointing out they were not to be used when near those infected  by the virus. Also, an email told us&quot;for your safety, employees should remove their face covering while driving between assignments.&quot;

So the mask is theater. One way it endangers us is that it creates a false sense of security, so people wearing masks think the mask is a magic protection, and walk right next to you. I have a cane that I have used to ward off someone entering my cone.

Back early in the year, since I went to medical offices as part of my job, I needed to learn about masks.  Since the CDC said they didn&#039;t help, I researched them. There wasn&#039;t much info available that said they were useful. 

I figured it was like the flu shot, even if it wasn&#039;t very effective, at least it would help. So I started wearing them in stores before almost everyone, since we had a supply of masks. Now I am on the other side, still wear them inside, and to please my wife. They may help a little, but separation is much more important, also having a disposable glove to touch any surface when I am in a store of bank. Wash hands when you return home!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got out the N 95 mask to walk today, in the San Jose area. It did reduce some smoke. Normally wear a torn mask that covers my beard when we walk. It makes my wife happy. She watches MSNBC. We haven&#8217;t killed each other yet.</p>
<p>The organization I work for does work for the CDC. They sent us some cloth masks, pointing out they were not to be used when near those infected  by the virus. Also, an email told us&#8221;for your safety, employees should remove their face covering while driving between assignments.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the mask is theater. One way it endangers us is that it creates a false sense of security, so people wearing masks think the mask is a magic protection, and walk right next to you. I have a cane that I have used to ward off someone entering my cone.</p>
<p>Back early in the year, since I went to medical offices as part of my job, I needed to learn about masks.  Since the CDC said they didn&#8217;t help, I researched them. There wasn&#8217;t much info available that said they were useful. </p>
<p>I figured it was like the flu shot, even if it wasn&#8217;t very effective, at least it would help. So I started wearing them in stores before almost everyone, since we had a supply of masks. Now I am on the other side, still wear them inside, and to please my wife. They may help a little, but separation is much more important, also having a disposable glove to touch any surface when I am in a store of bank. Wash hands when you return home!</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/24/is-it-really-so-stupid-to-wear-masks-in-the-car-while-alone/#comment-2512182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wearing a mask inside the car is just as ineffective as outside, but may be worse because of the greenhouse effect, which limits circulation inside the car cabin that acts as a collector.

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aakTeixKBrw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;2020 08 24 Still Right&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;2% is the magic number.  Which we&#039;re still NOT admitting.  And which is still in evidence.  Find the exception if you wish to argue otherwise; command on my forum where it is.  And by the way, masks not only don&#039;t work in a controlled trial in an operating room NOT wearing them cut infection rates IN HALF.  The belief in them is VOODOO.&lt;/i&gt;

Statistics.  It probably depends on the pathogen and transmission mode, the particulate and the environment.  The mask mandate was ordered based on intuitive evidence and emotional suppression.  So far, the paths in each jurisdiction follow the same curves, and the peaks precede the mitigation methods, with exception for Planned Parent and similar bad choices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wearing a mask inside the car is just as ineffective as outside, but may be worse because of the greenhouse effect, which limits circulation inside the car cabin that acts as a collector.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aakTeixKBrw" rel="nofollow ugc">2020 08 24 Still Right</a></p>
<p><i>2% is the magic number.  Which we&#8217;re still NOT admitting.  And which is still in evidence.  Find the exception if you wish to argue otherwise; command on my forum where it is.  And by the way, masks not only don&#8217;t work in a controlled trial in an operating room NOT wearing them cut infection rates IN HALF.  The belief in them is VOODOO.</i></p>
<p>Statistics.  It probably depends on the pathogen and transmission mode, the particulate and the environment.  The mask mandate was ordered based on intuitive evidence and emotional suppression.  So far, the paths in each jurisdiction follow the same curves, and the peaks precede the mitigation methods, with exception for Planned Parent and similar bad choices.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 19:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sam:

You are ignoring what this post is about.

It&#039;s not about whether mask-wearing is stupid, right or wrong, or whether people should comply with it or not.

It is about whether people &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; complying are stupid for wearing masks in their car while alone.  I am explaining a non-stupid reason that those people might do so.

The post has nothing to do with the merits of mask-wearing or whether it is advisable to rebel against it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam:</p>
<p>You are ignoring what this post is about.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about whether mask-wearing is stupid, right or wrong, or whether people should comply with it or not.</p>
<p>It is about whether people <i>already</i> complying are stupid for wearing masks in their car while alone.  I am explaining a non-stupid reason that those people might do so.</p>
<p>The post has nothing to do with the merits of mask-wearing or whether it is advisable to rebel against it.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 18:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This post is evidence on why conservatives are merely the shadow of radicals, meekly accepting their commands, albeit a bit slower then the radicals themselves.  Your ideological enemies stake out a position and use ancient human persuasion methods (namely: shame, normalcy-enforcement, guilt) to obtain and maintain power, and here you are giving cover to them.

I like your stuff and prefer nice people being nice in a vacuum, but politics is war and you&#039;re offering an olive branch to the enemy.  We can and should use shame, guilt, and normalcy-enforcement for our own ends, including calling out certain behaviors (nearly all of which are &quot;well-meaning&quot;) as &quot;stupid&quot;.  I mean, that&#039;s the damned LEAST we could do.  Or we could split hairs between &quot;stupid&quot; and &quot;ill-advised&quot; or &quot;counter-productive&quot; but frankly none of that matters in the least.  Tone policing will not win this thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is evidence on why conservatives are merely the shadow of radicals, meekly accepting their commands, albeit a bit slower then the radicals themselves.  Your ideological enemies stake out a position and use ancient human persuasion methods (namely: shame, normalcy-enforcement, guilt) to obtain and maintain power, and here you are giving cover to them.</p>
<p>I like your stuff and prefer nice people being nice in a vacuum, but politics is war and you&#8217;re offering an olive branch to the enemy.  We can and should use shame, guilt, and normalcy-enforcement for our own ends, including calling out certain behaviors (nearly all of which are &#8220;well-meaning&#8221;) as &#8220;stupid&#8221;.  I mean, that&#8217;s the damned LEAST we could do.  Or we could split hairs between &#8220;stupid&#8221; and &#8220;ill-advised&#8221; or &#8220;counter-productive&#8221; but frankly none of that matters in the least.  Tone policing will not win this thing.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy, I agree about the psychological damage imposed. It&#039;s the removal of much of the range of facial expressions that I think about. This is why I&#039;ve not gone to some restaurants or things like that where I might otherwise spend time, because so much of the experience at a bar or something is in the social interaction, which depends to a considerable degree on seeing someone&#039;s face.

I was just thinking... I wonder how the Asian societies that have more of a habit of public mask-wearing cope with this aspect. I imagine that because their modes of expression of emotion and so on in public are habitually more restrained anyway, maybe they don&#039;t feel as much of this type of social handicap from this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy, I agree about the psychological damage imposed. It&#8217;s the removal of much of the range of facial expressions that I think about. This is why I&#8217;ve not gone to some restaurants or things like that where I might otherwise spend time, because so much of the experience at a bar or something is in the social interaction, which depends to a considerable degree on seeing someone&#8217;s face.</p>
<p>I was just thinking&#8230; I wonder how the Asian societies that have more of a habit of public mask-wearing cope with this aspect. I imagine that because their modes of expression of emotion and so on in public are habitually more restrained anyway, maybe they don&#8217;t feel as much of this type of social handicap from this.</p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Personally, I feel that we have all been bullied into this fear-inducing, masked madness. 

I do go along with it in places that require it by policy. They are private businesses, and have the right to set the rules as they see fit.

Nevertheless, I have extreme doubts regarding it&#039;s efficacy in preventing transmission. Furthermore, I believe that it is doing a great deal of psychological damage by isolating us and preventing the casual social interactions that help remind us that we live within a social matrix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I feel that we have all been bullied into this fear-inducing, masked madness. </p>
<p>I do go along with it in places that require it by policy. They are private businesses, and have the right to set the rules as they see fit.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I have extreme doubts regarding it&#8217;s efficacy in preventing transmission. Furthermore, I believe that it is doing a great deal of psychological damage by isolating us and preventing the casual social interactions that help remind us that we live within a social matrix.</p>
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		By: TomR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TomR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 11:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Driving around here in the California South Bay Area, with the smoke (cough) from the fires over the hills to the north, and the smoke (cough, cough) from the fires over the hills to the west, and the smoke (cough, cough, cough) from the fires just barely over the hills to the east, makes me wish that I had something more effective than a fabric mask to wear in the car.

(Thank God the fires are still over the hills from the bay, but a number of the outlying communities have been evacuated.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Driving around here in the California South Bay Area, with the smoke (cough) from the fires over the hills to the north, and the smoke (cough, cough) from the fires over the hills to the west, and the smoke (cough, cough, cough) from the fires just barely over the hills to the east, makes me wish that I had something more effective than a fabric mask to wear in the car.</p>
<p>(Thank God the fires are still over the hills from the bay, but a number of the outlying communities have been evacuated.)</p>
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		By: Mary Catelli		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Catelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 03:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There was a guy who crashed because he wore his mask for too long in the car and its interference with breathing made him pass out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a guy who crashed because he wore his mask for too long in the car and its interference with breathing made him pass out.</p>
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		By: Brian Morgan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Morgan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 03:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan aka &quot;Bluebeard&quot; LOL! I like the mask, lower-right. Bluebeard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan aka &#8220;Bluebeard&#8221; LOL! I like the mask, lower-right. Bluebeard.</p>
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