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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/15/the-left-mail-in-voting-and-the-new-postofficegate-meme/#comment-2511281</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[A few delicious tidbits...

- Just another rogue governor...
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/17/gov-phil-murphy-is-proud-of-fraudulent-mail-in-elections-in-new-jersey/
https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1295405030678265856

- The Main Stonewalling Media....
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/17/7-big-stories-corporate-media-is-ignoring-because-the-truth-might-help-trump/#.Xzq0ubq1p3Q.twitter

- And a bonus for our loyal readers (warning: make sure you&#039;re sitting down and holding no liquids):
&#039;Obama....To Chris Wallace-“I Do Not Talk To FBI Directors About Pending Investigations” &#039;
https://twitter.com/BarbaraRedgate/status/1295074682916335617]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few delicious tidbits&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211; Just another rogue governor&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/17/gov-phil-murphy-is-proud-of-fraudulent-mail-in-elections-in-new-jersey/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/17/gov-phil-murphy-is-proud-of-fraudulent-mail-in-elections-in-new-jersey/</a><br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1295405030678265856" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1295405030678265856</a></p>
<p>&#8211; The Main Stonewalling Media&#8230;.<br />
<a href="https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/17/7-big-stories-corporate-media-is-ignoring-because-the-truth-might-help-trump/#.Xzq0ubq1p3Q.twitter" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/17/7-big-stories-corporate-media-is-ignoring-because-the-truth-might-help-trump/#.Xzq0ubq1p3Q.twitter</a></p>
<p>&#8211; And a bonus for our loyal readers (warning: make sure you&#8217;re sitting down and holding no liquids):<br />
&#8216;Obama&#8230;.To Chris Wallace-“I Do Not Talk To FBI Directors About Pending Investigations” &#8216;<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/BarbaraRedgate/status/1295074682916335617" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/BarbaraRedgate/status/1295074682916335617</a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/15/the-left-mail-in-voting-and-the-new-postofficegate-meme/#comment-2511267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;In fact Republicans have their own conspiracy that Democrats are organizing fraudulent ballots and getting non citizens to vote. [Some still think Hillary only got more votes because millions of illegals voted – total conspiracy].&lt;/b&gt;

California can downgrade your vote just by using a census of Hispanics and using that to boost their representation ratio and electoral votes... you know, sorta like how they did with slaves in 3/5ths.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>In fact Republicans have their own conspiracy that Democrats are organizing fraudulent ballots and getting non citizens to vote. [Some still think Hillary only got more votes because millions of illegals voted – total conspiracy].</b></p>
<p>California can downgrade your vote just by using a census of Hispanics and using that to boost their representation ratio and electoral votes&#8230; you know, sorta like how they did with slaves in 3/5ths.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/15/the-left-mail-in-voting-and-the-new-postofficegate-meme/#comment-2511266</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They could have attacked Trump by saying he is too close to Ymar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could have attacked Trump by saying he is too close to Ymar.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/08/15/the-left-mail-in-voting-and-the-new-postofficegate-meme/#comment-2511258</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Remember: vote early, vote often. 

This is good advice for everyone, but it goes especially for Democrats, in particular those whose votes appear miraculously---remember, it&#039;s a secular religion---just as the vote seems to be in the bag for the GOP candidate; and super especially for the deceased, for those who have multiple IDs, for those who don&#039;t yet have citizenship and for those who somehow don&#039;t seem to live at &quot;their&quot; address. 

(Oh, if you&#039;re a Republican, don&#039;t worry: your ballot will probably get lost or damaged. These things happen. No use complaining. It&#039;s the price one pays for the privilege of living in a democracy...AND for being white---and, it goes without saying, white supremacist. Note that the last point is also true for Blacks or Hispanics who vote for Trump or who otherwise &quot;get in the way&quot; of &quot;social justice&quot;---just ask Carmen Best. Or Tim Scott. Or George Zimmerman. Etc.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember: vote early, vote often. </p>
<p>This is good advice for everyone, but it goes especially for Democrats, in particular those whose votes appear miraculously&#8212;remember, it&#8217;s a secular religion&#8212;just as the vote seems to be in the bag for the GOP candidate; and super especially for the deceased, for those who have multiple IDs, for those who don&#8217;t yet have citizenship and for those who somehow don&#8217;t seem to live at &#8220;their&#8221; address. </p>
<p>(Oh, if you&#8217;re a Republican, don&#8217;t worry: your ballot will probably get lost or damaged. These things happen. No use complaining. It&#8217;s the price one pays for the privilege of living in a democracy&#8230;AND for being white&#8212;and, it goes without saying, white supremacist. Note that the last point is also true for Blacks or Hispanics who vote for Trump or who otherwise &#8220;get in the way&#8221; of &#8220;social justice&#8221;&#8212;just ask Carmen Best. Or Tim Scott. Or George Zimmerman. Etc.)</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 05:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only time I ever recall for sure that I voted absentee was when I was living abroad back in 1992, so I can&#039;t say much on this.

Neo, can I suggest that you might consider a way to differentiate the color of hyperlinks in your text more than they are now? Or has that been tried in the past and people found it too jarring? I have a hard time distinguishing the very dark maroon hypertext and the black text. Fortunately, when you say things like &quot;this&quot;, I usually get the hint.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I ever recall for sure that I voted absentee was when I was living abroad back in 1992, so I can&#8217;t say much on this.</p>
<p>Neo, can I suggest that you might consider a way to differentiate the color of hyperlinks in your text more than they are now? Or has that been tried in the past and people found it too jarring? I have a hard time distinguishing the very dark maroon hypertext and the black text. Fortunately, when you say things like &#8220;this&#8221;, I usually get the hint.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 04:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage:

What Trump and other Republicans (and that includes me) are objecting to is NOT mail-in voting by request - which is what Trump does in Florida.  That type of voting is similar to absentee voting.  The main point of both mail-in votes and absentee votes is that the voter must &lt;i&gt;request&lt;/i&gt; the ballot.

What Trump and the rest of us are objecting to - and my guess is that you know this but are pretending not to know it - is what&#039;s called universal mail-in voting. &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/15/donald-trump-slams-universal-mail-voting-few-states-planning/3333957001/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;See this&lt;/a&gt;:

Here is a tweet of Trump&#039;s on the matter:

&lt;blockquote class=&quot;twitter-tweet&quot;&gt;&lt;p lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Glad I was able to get the very dishonest LameStream Media to finally start talking about the RISKS to our Democracy from dangerous Universal Mail-In-Voting (not Absentee Voting, which I totally support!).&lt;/p&gt;&#8212; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288932940337090561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;July 30, 2020&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;script async src=&quot;https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js&quot; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;&gt;&lt;/script&gt; 

And here is a quote from the article I linked:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But only nine states and the District of Columbia so far plan to hold universal mail-in elections – in which ballots are automatically mailed to all registered voters without needing to first request one. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is also a hybrid form that goes like this: several other states are &quot;mailing voters applications for absentee ballots.&quot; So it sounds like the voter - or someone pretending to be the voter - at least has to mail back a request in those states.  In the other nine, however - which includes the swing state of Nevada - all registered voters will be getting ballots whether they want them or not, or whether they&#039;re alive or dead.

Except for Nevada, the other states using UNIVERSAL mail-in voting are blue states.  So fraud resulting from the practice in those states probably wouldn&#039;t turn them blue, since they are already blue (unless voters wake up and notice how their leftists governments have hurt their states during COVID and/or the riots).   However, it could easily fraudulently increase the total number of votes for Biden in the popular vote, which sets the whole thing up - even if Trump happens to win - for a possible repeat of 2016 where the Democrats shriek about how trump lost the popular vote and we must eliminate the Electoral College.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage:</p>
<p>What Trump and other Republicans (and that includes me) are objecting to is NOT mail-in voting by request &#8211; which is what Trump does in Florida.  That type of voting is similar to absentee voting.  The main point of both mail-in votes and absentee votes is that the voter must <i>request</i> the ballot.</p>
<p>What Trump and the rest of us are objecting to &#8211; and my guess is that you know this but are pretending not to know it &#8211; is what&#8217;s called universal mail-in voting. <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/15/donald-trump-slams-universal-mail-voting-few-states-planning/3333957001/" rel="nofollow ugc">See this</a>:</p>
<p>Here is a tweet of Trump&#8217;s on the matter:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet">
<p lang="en" dir="ltr">Glad I was able to get the very dishonest LameStream Media to finally start talking about the RISKS to our Democracy from dangerous Universal Mail-In-Voting (not Absentee Voting, which I totally support!).</p>
<p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288932940337090561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow ugc">July 30, 2020</a></p></blockquote>
<p> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </p>
<p>And here is a quote from the article I linked:</p>
<blockquote><p>But only nine states and the District of Columbia so far plan to hold universal mail-in elections – in which ballots are automatically mailed to all registered voters without needing to first request one. </p></blockquote>
<p>There is also a hybrid form that goes like this: several other states are &#8220;mailing voters applications for absentee ballots.&#8221; So it sounds like the voter &#8211; or someone pretending to be the voter &#8211; at least has to mail back a request in those states.  In the other nine, however &#8211; which includes the swing state of Nevada &#8211; all registered voters will be getting ballots whether they want them or not, or whether they&#8217;re alive or dead.</p>
<p>Except for Nevada, the other states using UNIVERSAL mail-in voting are blue states.  So fraud resulting from the practice in those states probably wouldn&#8217;t turn them blue, since they are already blue (unless voters wake up and notice how their leftists governments have hurt their states during COVID and/or the riots).   However, it could easily fraudulently increase the total number of votes for Biden in the popular vote, which sets the whole thing up &#8211; even if Trump happens to win &#8211; for a possible repeat of 2016 where the Democrats shriek about how trump lost the popular vote and we must eliminate the Electoral College.</p>
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		By: David D		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 04:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Voting is controlled by the individual States. The Federal government has no control over poll places or vote-by-mail, so this is all a smokescreen for something.

Or maybe these idiots all skipped 8th grade civics class.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting is controlled by the individual States. The Federal government has no control over poll places or vote-by-mail, so this is all a smokescreen for something.</p>
<p>Or maybe these idiots all skipped 8th grade civics class.</p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 04:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:  [chuckle]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:  [chuckle]</p>
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		By: Montage		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Montage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 03:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Om
Right, absentee voting without an excuse is what I mean specifically. Ballots being only sent to registered voters. I think both parties should strive to make voting easier for all registered voters - not more difficult. In most states this type of voting is allowed. The issue is that Trump and many Republicans make it seem like this type of voting is new and problematic. I know there are anecdotes supporting some problems but even in person voting has problems as we saw in 2000.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om<br />
Right, absentee voting without an excuse is what I mean specifically. Ballots being only sent to registered voters. I think both parties should strive to make voting easier for all registered voters &#8211; not more difficult. In most states this type of voting is allowed. The issue is that Trump and many Republicans make it seem like this type of voting is new and problematic. I know there are anecdotes supporting some problems but even in person voting has problems as we saw in 2000.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 03:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage:

I should have been clearer:  absentee ballots that at mailed in are another form of voting for those who cannot or chose not to vote in person at a polling place.  You have to apply for the ballot and it is sent to you specifically at your request when approved.

Mail in voting as in WA state have replaced all in person voting at precincts.  No choice, trust the Post Office or a drop box set up by the County Auditor.  In our last primary two weeks ago the county drop box was locked early so my spouse&#039;s vote was not valid (too late for the day&#039;s postmark) BTW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage:</p>
<p>I should have been clearer:  absentee ballots that at mailed in are another form of voting for those who cannot or chose not to vote in person at a polling place.  You have to apply for the ballot and it is sent to you specifically at your request when approved.</p>
<p>Mail in voting as in WA state have replaced all in person voting at precincts.  No choice, trust the Post Office or a drop box set up by the County Auditor.  In our last primary two weeks ago the county drop box was locked early so my spouse&#8217;s vote was not valid (too late for the day&#8217;s postmark) BTW.</p>
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