This is where you are actually wrong. You are several decades, as well as several density layers of enlightenment, behind.

You are utilizing the “old war standards” to assess what is going on. The new fate energies create a very different battlefield. I am sure none of this makes any sense to you, as what I see and detect has always been veiled.

You have around 2024 to figure all this out on your own. If you continue to fail to, you can request me to be at your Life Review, when this body of yours expires. And if not, I’m sure you’ll have plenty of time (1000 years) to re educate yourself.

– Knowledge deficit: IIRC, according to the transcript, the officers, suspicious about Floyd’s erratic behavior, continually asked him if he was “on” anything (i.e., any drug) and Floyd continually denied that he was. (Conceivably, if they had known about the Fentanyl, they may have responded differently. At the same time, Floyd likely believed that it was not in his interest to reveal this to them.)

– Floyd’s panic attack inside the police vehicle and self-injurious episode and claims of being unable to breathe, causing him to be removed from the back of the vehicle and placed on the ground. Presumably to assist him (together with calling in the EMT).

– The size and weight differential between the Floyd and Chauvin. (Floyd was huge and very strong. And delirious. In short, a potential threat. Conceivably, if he had been smaller—and presumably, if not necessarily, more manageable—he might not have been treated the way he was and thus would not have succumbed; though the huge amount of Fentanyl in his system and his existing medical weaknesses might—perhaps even likely—still have been fatal.)

All speculative; but there seems to have been significant amount of not-illegal AND exculpatory behavior by the police along with a lot of combined “bad luck” involved here.

To be sure, the not-illegal and exculpatory behavior HAD TO—NECESSARILY—Be IGNORED AND HIDDEN by Ellison (because this is WHO/WHAT HE IS) and also by the MSCM.

I think it’s fairly clear that Floyd died of something else – a fentanyl overdose combined with a serious heart condition. We will find out more, though, as time goes on, and whether and how the neck restraint may have contributed to his death and if so how much.

More on neck restrains and their use in Minneapolis here:

This seems to be a routine practice by the Minneapolis Police Department,” said Obayashi. “As a cop, the tone is there, ‘Use it when you think it’s appropriate.'”

Shawn Williams, an assistant professor and professional peace officer coordinator at St. Cloud State University in Minnesota, worked at the Minneapolis Police Department for more than 10 years and oversaw training his last two years there, including the use of unconscious neck restraints. He said he understands why other departments do not use the maneuver.

“If it’s used correctly, you can cause the suspect to render themselves compliant and we can take someone into custody without damage internally,” he said. “If it’s not used correctly, and the arm is placed in the wrong place, you’re talking about damage to one’s trachea and you’re talking about taking someone’s life.”

During his time in the department, he said officers needed to be trained correctly, often and while under stress so they could fully understand how to use the move…

“In many cases,” he said, “the justification was that the suspect tensed up, which I read to mean resisted arrest or fled on foot without any indication that the suspect was armed or dangerous. You have a combination of a large number of incidents involving the use of neck restraints on individuals who were not engaged in violent criminal activity and appeared to have been restrained because they appeared to be resisting arrest.”

So the question is whether the hold was used properly, and what role it may or may not have had in Floyd’s death. We don’t know the answer to either of those questions, and the video cannot tell us.

The “unconscious neck restraint” hold has apparently been used 44 times in Minneapolis in the past 5 years. The conscious version has been used a lot more often than that.

We also don’t know whether Chauvin was trying to apply an unconscious neck restraint, or whether he was just using the conscious neck restraint and Floyd passed out from other causes. We also don’t know whether he was actually still breathing when the EMTs arrived, or not. You can be unconscious and breathing.

They were invented to allow a 120 lb woman to hold down a larger male..
they were designed to try to equalize the power differential between men and women
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the force had to try to come up with a solution that the ladies could apply AND the men as you could not say one had to do X and the other had to do Y as that would also show they were seeing the innate differences which of course did not exist

For the sake of social progress, they endangered female officers, elevated liability for male officers, placed society at risk for “protests”, and did no favors for alleged perps. Not a wicked solution, not even close; but, a poorly considered choice, nonetheless. Diversity (e.g. sexism) is dysfunctional and normalizes adversity.

The amount of time the pressure is applied is critical. Once the person is unconscious, the pressure should be released. Once the blood flow is stopped and oxygen deprived, it doesn’t take long for unconsciousness.

After that, depriving oxygen starts potential permanent damage.

Looking at the video, it was the length of time Chauvin’s knee was on Floyd’s neck that led me to believe he caused Floyd’s death. If he wasn’t applying enough pressure to cut off oxygen, then Floyd died of something else.

Seems you didn’t read my post. I wrote:

The danger is that it would be difficult for an officer to know whether the person is merely unconscious or is in far more trouble than that, and I don’t see any instructions on how to make the distinction.

The difference between a Conscious Neck Restraint and an Unconscious Neck Restraint appears to be the amount of pressure used. That unfortunately cannot be gauged by watching a video, and I’m not sure there’s any way to ascertain it.

Note also from my comment here, I wrote “But even if Floyd died of a heart attack or something of that sort, the police can be held responsible if they were acting wrongly.”

In other words: of course one can use a recommended method improperly and be held responsible for the consequences. That’s for a jury to decide, and they need expert witnesses to testify as well.

It is also important – as several people have pointed out – to remember that we don’t even know what the EMTs found. Was Floyd alive when they came?

Passing out and becoming unconscious is not the same as going into cardiac arrest, although the latter certainly includes unconsciousness. But these holds are not designed to precipitate a cardiac arrest. I see no reason to suspect that the officers thought he was in cardiac arrest when the EMTs arrived.

So the really eye-opening instance to me was the Covington Catholic incident. Here was a case of rush to judgment, followed by extensive video which made perfectly clear that the reporting of the incident was almost completely false. And yet when I pointed this out to another fanatical friend (I have several), her reaction was that she didn’t care about the damn video, that because the boys were white and privileged and the Indian “elder” was not, the condemnation of the former was correct. I had never before seen such a direct refusal to acknowledge plain facts.

It really has come down to Lenin’s “who-whom” for some people. I don’t know how many but too many.

I’m sure there were indeed people who were withholding judgment. But the vast majority – and I mean vast – of even people on the right who comment on blogs were calling him a murderer. I was surprised at how few seemed to be saying “let’s wait.”

You should clarify that as “nearly every public figure on the left and right.” A lot of us private citizens, myself included, took a more skeptical attitude, especially after the Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown/Eric Garner cases. But pundits and politicians seem to be clinically unable to prevent themselves from making pronouncements before real evidence is in regarding what actually killed Floyd.