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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/27/election-2020-change-one-voters-mind/#comment-2508946</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2020 05:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aubrey (and others) -- Montage&#039;s original post and his reply post make it clear that he isn&#039;t interested in and doesn&#039;t actually care about actions.   Actions don&#039;t even enter his consciousness; what matters is appearance, polish, glibness -- qualities that Donald Trump has a severe shortage of.  Even with respect to COVID-19, Montage admits Trump&#039;s &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;actions&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; have been excellent (without even mentioning the China travel ban, browbeating GM and Ford to start producing PPE and ventilators, calling up military doctors and nurses,  dispatching  the Corps of Engineers to build temporary hospitals, deploying the hospital ships, etc., etc., etc.) but that doesn&#039;t matter.  What offends Montage is Trump&#039;s positive and optimistic attitude.  He wants to see Trump running around screaming &quot;We&#039;re gonna die, we&#039;re gonna die, we&#039;re all gonna die!&quot; ( In the Army, we called that guy the Morale Officer. )

Yes, Trump is thin-skinned, tweets too much, and never lets an insult go by without a counterpunch.  I personally find that refreshing.  “If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?&quot;  But unintelligent?  Not up to the task?  The guy goes from completely out of the political arena to President in two years and he&#039;s stupid?  

Stop projecting, Montage.  Or give it a go.  Let&#039;s see how well you do -- we&#039;ll even give you five years!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aubrey (and others) &#8212; Montage&#8217;s original post and his reply post make it clear that he isn&#8217;t interested in and doesn&#8217;t actually care about actions.   Actions don&#8217;t even enter his consciousness; what matters is appearance, polish, glibness &#8212; qualities that Donald Trump has a severe shortage of.  Even with respect to COVID-19, Montage admits Trump&#8217;s <i><b>actions</b></i> have been excellent (without even mentioning the China travel ban, browbeating GM and Ford to start producing PPE and ventilators, calling up military doctors and nurses,  dispatching  the Corps of Engineers to build temporary hospitals, deploying the hospital ships, etc., etc., etc.) but that doesn&#8217;t matter.  What offends Montage is Trump&#8217;s positive and optimistic attitude.  He wants to see Trump running around screaming &#8220;We&#8217;re gonna die, we&#8217;re gonna die, we&#8217;re all gonna die!&#8221; ( In the Army, we called that guy the Morale Officer. )</p>
<p>Yes, Trump is thin-skinned, tweets too much, and never lets an insult go by without a counterpunch.  I personally find that refreshing.  “If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?&#8221;  But unintelligent?  Not up to the task?  The guy goes from completely out of the political arena to President in two years and he&#8217;s stupid?  </p>
<p>Stop projecting, Montage.  Or give it a go.  Let&#8217;s see how well you do &#8212; we&#8217;ll even give you five years!</p>
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		By: aNanyMouse		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/27/election-2020-change-one-voters-mind/#comment-2508868</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding Montage, on DJT being &quot;prone to conspiracy theories&quot;, and regarding the prospects of some Dems fleeing their &quot;Home&quot;, to Greens, LP, etc.:
If Barr/ Durham can vividly show, that the most famous of his &quot;conspiracy theories&quot; (SpyGate) was the most *prescient* call of its kind in US history (despite the *ferocious* dissing the MSM has given it), many if not most Dems, who *aren&#039;t* utterly enslaved to Wokeness, will likely flee their Home.

The Dems hung far too much of their hat on this “collusion” BS, for far too long, for them to not pay heavily, if it blows up on them. 
Knowledgeable folks who’ve been closely following this Spygate thing (e.g. Mark Wauck) wager, that the Dems have been so vociferous about so much of this (incl. on the Flynn case), because they quite fear a huge backlash, if Barr can gather big scalps. 

This result is even more likely, now that there&#039;s real buzz (outside of super-Woke circles), about the extent to which folks (like Taibbi, Chomsky, Steinem) are getting to Breaking Points vs. Cancel Culture.
Of course, the Awoken Ones (e.g. those saying DJT to be “one of worst presidents”) will die before admitting any major error;  those hysterical enough to go there, and to push Cancel terror, are in the process of wearing out their welcome with more moderate Dems, esp. working blacks, and those who *actually* work with them (as opposed to those who *actually* shun all but the best-connected of them, and Virtue Signal from lily-white hoods!).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Montage, on DJT being &#8220;prone to conspiracy theories&#8221;, and regarding the prospects of some Dems fleeing their &#8220;Home&#8221;, to Greens, LP, etc.:<br />
If Barr/ Durham can vividly show, that the most famous of his &#8220;conspiracy theories&#8221; (SpyGate) was the most *prescient* call of its kind in US history (despite the *ferocious* dissing the MSM has given it), many if not most Dems, who *aren&#8217;t* utterly enslaved to Wokeness, will likely flee their Home.</p>
<p>The Dems hung far too much of their hat on this “collusion” BS, for far too long, for them to not pay heavily, if it blows up on them.<br />
Knowledgeable folks who’ve been closely following this Spygate thing (e.g. Mark Wauck) wager, that the Dems have been so vociferous about so much of this (incl. on the Flynn case), because they quite fear a huge backlash, if Barr can gather big scalps. </p>
<p>This result is even more likely, now that there&#8217;s real buzz (outside of super-Woke circles), about the extent to which folks (like Taibbi, Chomsky, Steinem) are getting to Breaking Points vs. Cancel Culture.<br />
Of course, the Awoken Ones (e.g. those saying DJT to be “one of worst presidents”) will die before admitting any major error;  those hysterical enough to go there, and to push Cancel terror, are in the process of wearing out their welcome with more moderate Dems, esp. working blacks, and those who *actually* work with them (as opposed to those who *actually* shun all but the best-connected of them, and Virtue Signal from lily-white hoods!).</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/27/election-2020-change-one-voters-mind/#comment-2508784</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;WRT the very nice lady and the “cult” I have no idea what she really thinks but she must believe that. Otherwise, she’d have to be angry at the government. The feds knew they could depend on people like her and the Chattering Classes to dehumanize the victims which makes it not a Thing to kill them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Without trying to stretch a point too far, it might be something that certain &quot;bitter clingers&quot; with their socially retrograde attachments to the ideas of a transcendent God, inherent rights, proper limits, and an objective morality (not to mention reality) , might wish to bear in mind as they observe the divinized Reign of Appetite emerege from beneath the soil to reveal Itself as the worship worthy pinnacle and self justifying alpha and omega of Evolution. (&#039;As we who know &quot;Evolution&quot; as it is and should be, define it. Peace be upon Its Name&#039;)

So too then, had better those &quot;gap toothed Neanderthals&quot;, &quot;Repukelickans&quot;, &quot;hetero-normative fascists&quot;, &quot;cis-het kill joys&quot;, &quot;tractor driving yokels&quot;, [running low on quote marks]  complicit-in-oppression-white-adjacent types, Uncle Toms, House Negroes, fat shamers, private life and physical exclusivity fetishizers,  and all other wreckers and enemies of the collective, watch out. Or as Neo has taken to describing it, those types who seem reluctant as regards the headlong frenzy of the circle dance.

But perhaps on second thought, they need not concern themselves too much. As we have all been assured by the most ardent disciples of social transformation and  progress that they are driven  by the most altruistic principles and a passion to eliminate all &lt;b&gt;unnecessary&lt;/b&gt; suffering. Surely their notion of necessary and unnecessary will be just like everyone else&#039;s?

After which , all will be well as the new mankind which is now arising will take it&#039;s rightful ecological place: as a sensitive, liberated, pan sexual, trans sexual, trans human, post human humanity; a humanity - more or less- without boundaries or definitions or exclusions or the pains of repressed desire. A humanity - more or less -  which will float without toil or labor or inhibitions on a sea of all encompassing and welcoming and unknowing bliss. 

Who but a Neanderthal lacking in Imagine-ation and slated for managed extinction, could possibly see anything &quot;concerning&quot; there?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>WRT the very nice lady and the “cult” I have no idea what she really thinks but she must believe that. Otherwise, she’d have to be angry at the government. The feds knew they could depend on people like her and the Chattering Classes to dehumanize the victims which makes it not a Thing to kill them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Without trying to stretch a point too far, it might be something that certain &#8220;bitter clingers&#8221; with their socially retrograde attachments to the ideas of a transcendent God, inherent rights, proper limits, and an objective morality (not to mention reality) , might wish to bear in mind as they observe the divinized Reign of Appetite emerege from beneath the soil to reveal Itself as the worship worthy pinnacle and self justifying alpha and omega of Evolution. (&#8216;As we who know &#8220;Evolution&#8221; as it is and should be, define it. Peace be upon Its Name&#8217;)</p>
<p>So too then, had better those &#8220;gap toothed Neanderthals&#8221;, &#8220;Repukelickans&#8221;, &#8220;hetero-normative fascists&#8221;, &#8220;cis-het kill joys&#8221;, &#8220;tractor driving yokels&#8221;, [running low on quote marks]  complicit-in-oppression-white-adjacent types, Uncle Toms, House Negroes, fat shamers, private life and physical exclusivity fetishizers,  and all other wreckers and enemies of the collective, watch out. Or as Neo has taken to describing it, those types who seem reluctant as regards the headlong frenzy of the circle dance.</p>
<p>But perhaps on second thought, they need not concern themselves too much. As we have all been assured by the most ardent disciples of social transformation and  progress that they are driven  by the most altruistic principles and a passion to eliminate all <b>unnecessary</b> suffering. Surely their notion of necessary and unnecessary will be just like everyone else&#8217;s?</p>
<p>After which , all will be well as the new mankind which is now arising will take it&#8217;s rightful ecological place: as a sensitive, liberated, pan sexual, trans sexual, trans human, post human humanity; a humanity &#8211; more or less- without boundaries or definitions or exclusions or the pains of repressed desire. A humanity &#8211; more or less &#8211;  which will float without toil or labor or inhibitions on a sea of all encompassing and welcoming and unknowing bliss. </p>
<p>Who but a Neanderthal lacking in Imagine-ation and slated for managed extinction, could possibly see anything &#8220;concerning&#8221; there?</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/27/election-2020-change-one-voters-mind/#comment-2508715</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WRT the very nice lady and the &quot;cult&quot;  I have no idea what she really thinks but she must believe that.  Otherwise, she&#039;d have to be angry at the government. The feds knew they could depend on people like her and the Chattering Classes to dehumanize the victims which makes it not a Thing to kill them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT the very nice lady and the &#8220;cult&#8221;  I have no idea what she really thinks but she must believe that.  Otherwise, she&#8217;d have to be angry at the government. The feds knew they could depend on people like her and the Chattering Classes to dehumanize the victims which makes it not a Thing to kill them.</p>
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		By: JimNorCal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 04:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m not exactly sure which ‘events’ you write of?&quot;

Montage, you would have to actually read the other comments in this thread to &quot;get&quot; it. 
I&#039;m sure you&#039;d be a great guy to sit down and have a beer with. Is there a wife and kids? You love them dearly!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not exactly sure which ‘events’ you write of?&#8221;</p>
<p>Montage, you would have to actually read the other comments in this thread to &#8220;get&#8221; it.<br />
I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d be a great guy to sit down and have a beer with. Is there a wife and kids? You love them dearly!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 04:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daniel Ortiz:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5RgS3FWk3g&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s your cake!&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Ortiz:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5RgS3FWk3g" rel="nofollow ugc">Here&#8217;s your cake!</a></p>
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		By: Daniel Ortiz		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/27/election-2020-change-one-voters-mind/#comment-2508633</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Ortiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t vote for Trump last election (I voted for Johnson).  But since the very next day I was glad Clinton did not win, and I pretty much understood that I should have voted for Trump, and I plan to do so this time around.  Does that count?  Bonus, I&#039;ve convinced my wife as well and I understand she will be voting straight Republican ticket (one box at a time, since Texas nixed straight-party option).  So, that&#039;s two!  Where&#039;s my cake?  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t vote for Trump last election (I voted for Johnson).  But since the very next day I was glad Clinton did not win, and I pretty much understood that I should have voted for Trump, and I plan to do so this time around.  Does that count?  Bonus, I&#8217;ve convinced my wife as well and I understand she will be voting straight Republican ticket (one box at a time, since Texas nixed straight-party option).  So, that&#8217;s two!  Where&#8217;s my cake?  🙂</p>
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		By: aNanyMouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aNanyMouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, Montage, was the massacre at Waco only just about “They were a cult”?
Are &quot;cult&quot; members (by Lefty lights) thus outright fair game?
Those who espouse such are utter sociopaths, who must be expelled from power over all outfits larger than lemonade stands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Montage, was the massacre at Waco only just about “They were a cult”?<br />
Are &#8220;cult&#8221; members (by Lefty lights) thus outright fair game?<br />
Those who espouse such are utter sociopaths, who must be expelled from power over all outfits larger than lemonade stands.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 02:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;And just for grins about our discussion group: One very nice lady couldn’t see the issue with the massacre at Waco. “They were a cult.”  &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh. I have never heard a conservative refer to, say, the Jim Jones Cult suicides and murders, as anything but a tragedy. Never a &quot;they got what was coming to them&quot;, or &quot;what can you expect?&quot;, even though they were obviously by and large unbalanced, out of touch with reality, and died by their own hands.

It&#039;s just not seen as something to shrug at by people with a moral compass aligned properly.

When you&#039;re a child, and your parents drag you off kicking and screaming to Church to sit stiffed among a bunch of mild mannered and seemingly obedient (if somewhat annoying) people, it&#039;s hard to imagine that any of them could possibly &quot;anger&quot; God.

Later, you even begin to imagine that the fact that they suffer through these gatherings for years, when they could be happier watching cartoons, or playing baseball, or racing around on motorcycles or in a boat, additionally proves how dedicated to &quot;the good&quot; they must be, and what powerful and penetrating perceptions of the good and the true and the holy they must entertain as a result of these years of immersion and sacrifice.

No one who underwent all that could possibly remain crass, or stupid, or God forbid vicious, to any real degree. Right?

And then people open their mouths and let you in on what they have actually learned and absorbed during all those years in the pews. And you read too in the press, what prelates have been up to behind the scenes with regard to sexual and financial abuses . 

And after that, when you read that some saint of the Christian faith once said that the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops, or that most people are damned, it no longer seems quite as outrageous a concept as it once might have done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;And just for grins about our discussion group: One very nice lady couldn’t see the issue with the massacre at Waco. “They were a cult.”  &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Huh. I have never heard a conservative refer to, say, the Jim Jones Cult suicides and murders, as anything but a tragedy. Never a &#8220;they got what was coming to them&#8221;, or &#8220;what can you expect?&#8221;, even though they were obviously by and large unbalanced, out of touch with reality, and died by their own hands.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not seen as something to shrug at by people with a moral compass aligned properly.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re a child, and your parents drag you off kicking and screaming to Church to sit stiffed among a bunch of mild mannered and seemingly obedient (if somewhat annoying) people, it&#8217;s hard to imagine that any of them could possibly &#8220;anger&#8221; God.</p>
<p>Later, you even begin to imagine that the fact that they suffer through these gatherings for years, when they could be happier watching cartoons, or playing baseball, or racing around on motorcycles or in a boat, additionally proves how dedicated to &#8220;the good&#8221; they must be, and what powerful and penetrating perceptions of the good and the true and the holy they must entertain as a result of these years of immersion and sacrifice.</p>
<p>No one who underwent all that could possibly remain crass, or stupid, or God forbid vicious, to any real degree. Right?</p>
<p>And then people open their mouths and let you in on what they have actually learned and absorbed during all those years in the pews. And you read too in the press, what prelates have been up to behind the scenes with regard to sexual and financial abuses . </p>
<p>And after that, when you read that some saint of the Christian faith once said that the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops, or that most people are damned, it no longer seems quite as outrageous a concept as it once might have done.</p>
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		By: Fractal Rabbit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fractal Rabbit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 02:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see that Montage won’t be our one voter whose mind is changed. Sad!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Montage won’t be our one voter whose mind is changed. Sad!</p>
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