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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus, fascinating!  
(Still, when it comes to word trivia, I&#039;m generally abstemious....)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus, fascinating!<br />
(Still, when it comes to word trivia, I&#8217;m generally abstemious&#8230;.)</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/16/irreversible-damage-the-transgender-movement-and-young-girls/#comment-2506506</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 04:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jamie:

Agreed.  The numbers for girls are way way high, and it&#039;s been a sudden increase.

What&#039;s more, there are physical differences. When teenage boys are given female hormones, as long as they haven&#039;t yet had what&#039;s called &quot;bottom&quot;surgery, the effects are ordinarily quite reversible when they go off the hormones. For teenage girls, the voice effects are usually permanent, even if there&#039;s been no &quot;bottom&quot; surgery.  There&#039;s more, too - involving what&#039;s known as &quot;top&quot; surgery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie:</p>
<p>Agreed.  The numbers for girls are way way high, and it&#8217;s been a sudden increase.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, there are physical differences. When teenage boys are given female hormones, as long as they haven&#8217;t yet had what&#8217;s called &#8220;bottom&#8221;surgery, the effects are ordinarily quite reversible when they go off the hormones. For teenage girls, the voice effects are usually permanent, even if there&#8217;s been no &#8220;bottom&#8221; surgery.  There&#8217;s more, too &#8211; involving what&#8217;s known as &#8220;top&#8221; surgery.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfl, I have two sons and defer to no one in my concern for the &lt;i&gt;lack&lt;/i&gt; of concern for boys and men in American society today. But I think the focus here is on teen girls because the rapid-onset gender dysphoria thing affects them in such stunning numbers. Boys aren&#039;t going trans this way.

That said... the latter comment about the correlation of sexual abuse of boys by adult men with the boys&#039; growing up to be gay men - that&#039;s pretty damn horrifying, but sadly believable. My husband&#039;s uncle, who died several years back, always told my husband he could&#039;ve gone either way, but was... how did he put it? &quot;Educated&quot;? by a gay man while in his teens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfl, I have two sons and defer to no one in my concern for the <i>lack</i> of concern for boys and men in American society today. But I think the focus here is on teen girls because the rapid-onset gender dysphoria thing affects them in such stunning numbers. Boys aren&#8217;t going trans this way.</p>
<p>That said&#8230; the latter comment about the correlation of sexual abuse of boys by adult men with the boys&#8217; growing up to be gay men &#8211; that&#8217;s pretty damn horrifying, but sadly believable. My husband&#8217;s uncle, who died several years back, always told my husband he could&#8217;ve gone either way, but was&#8230; how did he put it? &#8220;Educated&#8221;? by a gay man while in his teens.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know a teen girl, knew her from preschool onward, who came out as trans as a high school freshman. She&#039;d been an awkward and difficult child all her life. Her parents fully supported her new identity - I won&#039;t go so far as to say it was a political bonanza for them, because I think they (especially dad) truly felt shocked and sad that, as mom told me, &quot;the child we have isn&#039;t the child we thought we had,&quot; but certainly it fit well with their politics and they embraced it. They never disclosed to me whether they had undergone any sort of therapy or even soul-searching with their teen about this giant change. 

In short order, another three? or so girls from her class, in fact in her group of (I&#039;m inferring, having known her for a decade at this point and knowing what kind of kids she graduated to, also awkward) friends in the very competitive school she attended also came out as trans. Last time I saw this family, the teen, now 16 or possibly 17, was receiving hormone therapy but was presenting as a kind of stereotypically butch girl or gay boy - hair shorter than most girls wear it now but longer than most straight boys in her area, clothes indeterminate, definitely not stereotypically feminine but also not as deliberately &quot;uncaring&quot; as straight boys - say, black skinny jeans, Doc Martins, a fashion t-shirt, wide and prominent belt, clunky jewelry. And I wondered whether the parents still believed they&#039;d made the right decision in letting their 14yo dictate such a permanent and life-changing path. They said their kid was happier than at 14, but never seemed to consider that that might have happened anyway. Nor did they seem to consider the contagion issue. But certainly their kid was not trying to blend in with the pack of cis boys. It was my clear impression that the kid had found a niche, and neither sex nor gender had much of anything to do with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a teen girl, knew her from preschool onward, who came out as trans as a high school freshman. She&#8217;d been an awkward and difficult child all her life. Her parents fully supported her new identity &#8211; I won&#8217;t go so far as to say it was a political bonanza for them, because I think they (especially dad) truly felt shocked and sad that, as mom told me, &#8220;the child we have isn&#8217;t the child we thought we had,&#8221; but certainly it fit well with their politics and they embraced it. They never disclosed to me whether they had undergone any sort of therapy or even soul-searching with their teen about this giant change. </p>
<p>In short order, another three? or so girls from her class, in fact in her group of (I&#8217;m inferring, having known her for a decade at this point and knowing what kind of kids she graduated to, also awkward) friends in the very competitive school she attended also came out as trans. Last time I saw this family, the teen, now 16 or possibly 17, was receiving hormone therapy but was presenting as a kind of stereotypically butch girl or gay boy &#8211; hair shorter than most girls wear it now but longer than most straight boys in her area, clothes indeterminate, definitely not stereotypically feminine but also not as deliberately &#8220;uncaring&#8221; as straight boys &#8211; say, black skinny jeans, Doc Martins, a fashion t-shirt, wide and prominent belt, clunky jewelry. And I wondered whether the parents still believed they&#8217;d made the right decision in letting their 14yo dictate such a permanent and life-changing path. They said their kid was happier than at 14, but never seemed to consider that that might have happened anyway. Nor did they seem to consider the contagion issue. But certainly their kid was not trying to blend in with the pack of cis boys. It was my clear impression that the kid had found a niche, and neither sex nor gender had much of anything to do with it.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco sez: &quot;No, you don’t, sister. And we know from studies of identical twins you don’t.&quot;
There is genotype and there is phenotype, and the two are not congruent is what Art means, I believe. All the warm, fuzzy chatter about trans and bi posted here is the result of our social environment, i.e. phenotype, and the &quot;environment&quot; also includes  psychological factors, adding up to various  types of behavioral push and pull. So certainly some variance from heterosexuality results from making LGBTs acceptable and welcomed as &quot;good&quot;, despite the undesirable behavioral features (e.g., increased suicidal ideation and action)  associated with their variant sexual conduct.
One need only recall the rampant promiscuity, the anonymous sexual encounters, practiced by gays in the days before HIV reined them in.

We have given license to libertinism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco sez: &#8220;No, you don’t, sister. And we know from studies of identical twins you don’t.&#8221;<br />
There is genotype and there is phenotype, and the two are not congruent is what Art means, I believe. All the warm, fuzzy chatter about trans and bi posted here is the result of our social environment, i.e. phenotype, and the &#8220;environment&#8221; also includes  psychological factors, adding up to various  types of behavioral push and pull. So certainly some variance from heterosexuality results from making LGBTs acceptable and welcomed as &#8220;good&#8221;, despite the undesirable behavioral features (e.g., increased suicidal ideation and action)  associated with their variant sexual conduct.<br />
One need only recall the rampant promiscuity, the anonymous sexual encounters, practiced by gays in the days before HIV reined them in.</p>
<p>We have given license to libertinism.</p>
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		By: Texan99		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To feel alienated from a constricted social role can&#039;t be that rare, or novel.  To feel at some times and in some ways alienated from one&#039;s own body is sad, but part of the human (mortal) condition.  But to imagine that the problem will clear right up if you mutilate your body with surgery and hormones--that&#039;s just lunacy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To feel alienated from a constricted social role can&#8217;t be that rare, or novel.  To feel at some times and in some ways alienated from one&#8217;s own body is sad, but part of the human (mortal) condition.  But to imagine that the problem will clear right up if you mutilate your body with surgery and hormones&#8211;that&#8217;s just lunacy.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Art Deco: I have an innate preference, &lt;/i&gt;

No, you don&#039;t, sister. And we know from studies of identical twins you don&#039;t]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Art Deco: I have an innate preference, </i></p>
<p>No, you don&#8217;t, sister. And we know from studies of identical twins you don&#8217;t</p>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley (and others):
I’ve known more than a few lesbians who were incested and that seemed to have an impact on their lesbianism.

Still the gay guys I’ve known were just gay. The bi guys I’ve known were mostly straight but could, in your terms, “nail anything.”
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But the statistics show that gay men are 4-5 times more likely to have been molested or physically abused than the general population.

This is deliberately blurred by the LGBT lobby - which presents this as &quot;mentoring&quot; and encourages lonely, attention-starved kids to think of it that way. Here in Israel a &quot;counselor&quot; at a &quot;walk in center&quot; was shot, and the LGBT lobby flogged it for years as evidence of &quot;intolerance&quot;... turns out it the shooter was the family member of a troubled teen who had &quot;walked in&quot; and been taken advantage of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley (and others):<br />
I’ve known more than a few lesbians who were incested and that seemed to have an impact on their lesbianism.</p>
<p>Still the gay guys I’ve known were just gay. The bi guys I’ve known were mostly straight but could, in your terms, “nail anything.”<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
But the statistics show that gay men are 4-5 times more likely to have been molested or physically abused than the general population.</p>
<p>This is deliberately blurred by the LGBT lobby &#8211; which presents this as &#8220;mentoring&#8221; and encourages lonely, attention-starved kids to think of it that way. Here in Israel a &#8220;counselor&#8221; at a &#8220;walk in center&#8221; was shot, and the LGBT lobby flogged it for years as evidence of &#8220;intolerance&#8221;&#8230; turns out it the shooter was the family member of a troubled teen who had &#8220;walked in&#8221; and been taken advantage of.</p>
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		By: T J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dumb gullible rich people’s problem’s.  (Because people learned nothing from “As Nature Made Him” about the cult medical science abuse of the fate of David Reimer, as told by John Colapinto — and John Money, MD, 
the people who let him do it to him, despite the fact that his botched circumcision sex “change” failed.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumb gullible rich people’s problem’s.  (Because people learned nothing from “As Nature Made Him” about the cult medical science abuse of the fate of David Reimer, as told by John Colapinto — and John Money, MD,<br />
the people who let him do it to him, despite the fact that his botched circumcision sex “change” failed.)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2020 04:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something that puzzles me: why are so many girls transitioning to maleness when the entire feminist culture for 50 years has been telling women that masculinity is toxic and men are unnecessary?

Is this just a variation of the usual cognitive dissonance on the left, or is something else at work?

Also: In addition to the rampant Marxist (no longer just left-liberal) doctrination in classrooms, the complicity of school administrations in this transitioning abuse, and also in facilitating abortions, without notifying the parents of either (but you can go to jail if you send your kids to school with ibuprofen in their backpacks), is one thing that tempers my enthusiasm for getting kids back into the school buildings in the fall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that puzzles me: why are so many girls transitioning to maleness when the entire feminist culture for 50 years has been telling women that masculinity is toxic and men are unnecessary?</p>
<p>Is this just a variation of the usual cognitive dissonance on the left, or is something else at work?</p>
<p>Also: In addition to the rampant Marxist (no longer just left-liberal) doctrination in classrooms, the complicity of school administrations in this transitioning abuse, and also in facilitating abortions, without notifying the parents of either (but you can go to jail if you send your kids to school with ibuprofen in their backpacks), is one thing that tempers my enthusiasm for getting kids back into the school buildings in the fall.</p>
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