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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2504189</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GRA:

Sometimes you gotta put up that smiley face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRA:</p>
<p>Sometimes you gotta put up that smiley face.</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2504188</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GRA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo &#038; Cicero: I was joking. I never took stock of a person&#039;s formal education as them being infallible. For MDs and PhDs, I see them as &quot;experts&quot; in their specific specialty, and nothing more. I only have witnessed wisdom from relatively old medical doctors who&#039;ve been in the field for decades and decades, when their head is somewhat crowded with gray hair.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &amp; Cicero: I was joking. I never took stock of a person&#8217;s formal education as them being infallible. For MDs and PhDs, I see them as &#8220;experts&#8221; in their specific specialty, and nothing more. I only have witnessed wisdom from relatively old medical doctors who&#8217;ve been in the field for decades and decades, when their head is somewhat crowded with gray hair.</p>
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		By: Dnaxy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2503580</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dnaxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The innate immune system is different from the adaptive immune system. The innate system inhibits potentially infectious organisms by recognizing non-specific foreign proteins and recruiting natural killer cells to destroy infected cells. It relies on interferons and Toll receptors.  The adaptive system works by learning to recognize specific surface antigen markers and training B cells to produce specific antibodies upon future recognition of these specific antigens. It relies on HLA histocompatibility antigens to present these markers to dendritic cells. 

They have found that there are ways to enhance the innate system so that it works more efficiently for all foreign invaders. Viruses, bacteria, protozoa, worms, etc. Eg the use of BCG, a live sort-of-weakened TB bacillus, has been used all around the world to enhance resistance to TB. Surprisingly, it has been found that in those countries where it has been used, the rate of childhood deaths owing to almost all infectious disease had been reduced by about 33%. So too, now, it is known that oral polio vaccine, OPV, which is cheap and is used all over the world, has been found to enhance the innate immune system—especially against double stranded RNA viruses—so that it is more efficient in also preventing or ameliorating many other infectious diseases. Trials using BCG have already begun. 
See Science 12 June 2020 by Chumakov, Konstantin.

“We propose the use of OPV to ameliorate or prevent COVID-19. Both poliovirus and coronavirus are positive-double strand RNA viruses; therefore, it is likely that they may induce or be affected by common innate immunity mechanisms. There are multiple important advantages to using OPV: a strong safety record, the existence of more than one serotype that could be used sequentially to prolong protection, low cost, ease of administration, and availability. Over 1 billion doses of OPV are produced  and used annually in more than 140 countries.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The innate immune system is different from the adaptive immune system. The innate system inhibits potentially infectious organisms by recognizing non-specific foreign proteins and recruiting natural killer cells to destroy infected cells. It relies on interferons and Toll receptors.  The adaptive system works by learning to recognize specific surface antigen markers and training B cells to produce specific antibodies upon future recognition of these specific antigens. It relies on HLA histocompatibility antigens to present these markers to dendritic cells. </p>
<p>They have found that there are ways to enhance the innate system so that it works more efficiently for all foreign invaders. Viruses, bacteria, protozoa, worms, etc. Eg the use of BCG, a live sort-of-weakened TB bacillus, has been used all around the world to enhance resistance to TB. Surprisingly, it has been found that in those countries where it has been used, the rate of childhood deaths owing to almost all infectious disease had been reduced by about 33%. So too, now, it is known that oral polio vaccine, OPV, which is cheap and is used all over the world, has been found to enhance the innate immune system—especially against double stranded RNA viruses—so that it is more efficient in also preventing or ameliorating many other infectious diseases. Trials using BCG have already begun.<br />
See Science 12 June 2020 by Chumakov, Konstantin.</p>
<p>“We propose the use of OPV to ameliorate or prevent COVID-19. Both poliovirus and coronavirus are positive-double strand RNA viruses; therefore, it is likely that they may induce or be affected by common innate immunity mechanisms. There are multiple important advantages to using OPV: a strong safety record, the existence of more than one serotype that could be used sequentially to prolong protection, low cost, ease of administration, and availability. Over 1 billion doses of OPV are produced  and used annually in more than 140 countries.”</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2503578</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:
Handley&#039;s explanations are right on point, IMHO. Thanks!
The HIT is close to being realized.
As I&#039;ve been telling anyone who&#039;ll listen, it&#039;s the IFR that matters. 
And you don&#039;t get this type of info from Fauci the benign agitator.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:<br />
Handley&#8217;s explanations are right on point, IMHO. Thanks!<br />
The HIT is close to being realized.<br />
As I&#8217;ve been telling anyone who&#8217;ll listen, it&#8217;s the IFR that matters.<br />
And you don&#8217;t get this type of info from Fauci the benign agitator.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2503571</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cicero:

What do you make of the discussion of the Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) &lt;a href=&quot;https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/28/secondwave&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cicero:</p>
<p>What do you make of the discussion of the Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) <a href="https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/28/secondwave" rel="nofollow">here</a>?</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you are correct about masks and their uses. 
If one observes one&#039;s fellow mask-wearing citizens, one often sees the mask below the nose; sometimes under the chin.
Cloth masks reduce but do not prevent the spraying of virus-laden mucus and saliva droplets. Masks are largely a PC charade. And of course hide the identities of looters and arsonists. 
Hand washing and avoidance of hand-to-face virus transfer are the key.

But how will herd immunity ever be accomplished? Needs 70+% of the population to have been infected, twenty times more than at present.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you are correct about masks and their uses.<br />
If one observes one&#8217;s fellow mask-wearing citizens, one often sees the mask below the nose; sometimes under the chin.<br />
Cloth masks reduce but do not prevent the spraying of virus-laden mucus and saliva droplets. Masks are largely a PC charade. And of course hide the identities of looters and arsonists.<br />
Hand washing and avoidance of hand-to-face virus transfer are the key.</p>
<p>But how will herd immunity ever be accomplished? Needs 70+% of the population to have been infected, twenty times more than at present.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2503563</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GRA:
I&#039;m an MD and I despise Fauci.
Fauci graduated from medical school (which one does not matter except for those inclined to worship the Ivies) in 1967. He took a two year internship and then went to work at NIH, where he has been ever since as a federal employee. He was never trained in internal medicine, thus is not Board-certified in that field or its Infectious Disease subspecialty. He is also not formally trained in epidemiology. He has never taken care of ill patients. He ended up head of the Infectious Disease Institute by gradual federal promotion, and we all know how that works: you keep your nose clean, your head down, do your job and kiss ass.

Trump made a grave mistake by calling him up. Understandable if one has no clue as to the Director&#039;s job, which is to dispense grant monies....including a multi-million grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013. Imagine that. The US under Fauci financed the Wuhan virus source in communist China, which in 2013 was already rolling in yuan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRA:<br />
I&#8217;m an MD and I despise Fauci.<br />
Fauci graduated from medical school (which one does not matter except for those inclined to worship the Ivies) in 1967. He took a two year internship and then went to work at NIH, where he has been ever since as a federal employee. He was never trained in internal medicine, thus is not Board-certified in that field or its Infectious Disease subspecialty. He is also not formally trained in epidemiology. He has never taken care of ill patients. He ended up head of the Infectious Disease Institute by gradual federal promotion, and we all know how that works: you keep your nose clean, your head down, do your job and kiss ass.</p>
<p>Trump made a grave mistake by calling him up. Understandable if one has no clue as to the Director&#8217;s job, which is to dispense grant monies&#8230;.including a multi-million grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013. Imagine that. The US under Fauci financed the Wuhan virus source in communist China, which in 2013 was already rolling in yuan.</p>
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		By: Roland Hirsch		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2503558</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roland Hirsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Dr Fauci said is quite interesting, and the exact opposite of what he intended and most media has interpreted it.
&quot;The United States may soon record as many as 100,000 new cases of Covid-19 a day if the current trajectory of the outbreak is not changed, Fauci warned.&quot;

Most specialists say that there have been ~130,000 deaths in the U.S. attributed to the virus since January. The fatality rate is considered to be 1 in 400 infected. That means ~50,000,000 over the  roughly 180 days, or ~290,000 per day. 

So Dr Fauci is predicting a REDUCTION in the second half of 2020 to one third the case rate for the first half of 2020 in the U.S.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Dr Fauci said is quite interesting, and the exact opposite of what he intended and most media has interpreted it.<br />
&#8220;The United States may soon record as many as 100,000 new cases of Covid-19 a day if the current trajectory of the outbreak is not changed, Fauci warned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most specialists say that there have been ~130,000 deaths in the U.S. attributed to the virus since January. The fatality rate is considered to be 1 in 400 infected. That means ~50,000,000 over the  roughly 180 days, or ~290,000 per day. </p>
<p>So Dr Fauci is predicting a REDUCTION in the second half of 2020 to one third the case rate for the first half of 2020 in the U.S.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/07/01/and-we-should-listen-to-faucis-prognostications-why/#comment-2503554</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon W:

That&#039;s interesting. Hope you&#039;re both feeling well!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon W:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting. Hope you&#8217;re both feeling well!!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Tyler:

As far as I can tell, doctors wear masks in the operating theater in order to protect the patient and keep the field as sterile as possible.  It&#039;s not to protect the doctor.

When a patient has a highly infectious disease such as ebola, on the other hand, the medical people wear entirely different gear designed to protect themselves, sort of hazmat suits.

The cloth masks most of us are wearing have neither the characteristics of the doctors&#039; masks when operating nor the hazmat suits.  The only thing I&#039;ve ever read about the cloth ones is that they are about 20 to 30 percent effective in blocking transmission of the virus, and not effective in blocking receiving the virus from others, and that if a person is already infected and wears any type of mask it can have the effect of concentrating the virus load and making their symptoms worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Tyler:</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, doctors wear masks in the operating theater in order to protect the patient and keep the field as sterile as possible.  It&#8217;s not to protect the doctor.</p>
<p>When a patient has a highly infectious disease such as ebola, on the other hand, the medical people wear entirely different gear designed to protect themselves, sort of hazmat suits.</p>
<p>The cloth masks most of us are wearing have neither the characteristics of the doctors&#8217; masks when operating nor the hazmat suits.  The only thing I&#8217;ve ever read about the cloth ones is that they are about 20 to 30 percent effective in blocking transmission of the virus, and not effective in blocking receiving the virus from others, and that if a person is already infected and wears any type of mask it can have the effect of concentrating the virus load and making their symptoms worse.</p>
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