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		By: Dnaxy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/23/yes-covid-cases-have-risen/#comment-2502684</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If this identical pandemic occurred during the Roman times,  say at the time of Caesar, would it be significant enough to be in our history books?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this identical pandemic occurred during the Roman times,  say at the time of Caesar, would it be significant enough to be in our history books?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2020 02:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[‘confident incompetence’

There&#039;s a name for that.

Dunning-Kruger effect
&quot;In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability.&quot; - Wikipedia]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘confident incompetence’</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a name for that.</p>
<p>Dunning-Kruger effect<br />
&#8220;In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability.&#8221; &#8211; Wikipedia</p>
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		By: Griffin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 23:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I heard someone today describe the actions of all these mayors, governors and bureaucrats as ‘confident incompetence’. Sounds about right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard someone today describe the actions of all these mayors, governors and bureaucrats as ‘confident incompetence’. Sounds about right.</p>
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		By: Griffin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om,

I’m sure every business will require them starting Friday for liability reasons if nothing else. 

It’s so nice that King Jay negotiated with COVID to pause infections from yesterday (Tuesday) until Friday when apparently infections will resume. 

Phony power hungry idiot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om,</p>
<p>I’m sure every business will require them starting Friday for liability reasons if nothing else. </p>
<p>It’s so nice that King Jay negotiated with COVID to pause infections from yesterday (Tuesday) until Friday when apparently infections will resume. </p>
<p>Phony power hungry idiot.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/23/yes-covid-cases-have-risen/#comment-2502484</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Griffin:

True that.  

It will be interesting to see the response to King Jay&#039;s latest edict will be here east of the Cascades (land o deplorables) this weekend.  Will I have to mask up to enter the big box stores (Home Despot)  and Wallyworld?  Open carry (N-95 that is) and don when necessary?

OT  Red Cross has required mask use for donations for about 2 months now, but since 6/15/19 they have been doing Winnie the Flu antibody tests.  I tested negative, so they don&#039;t need my plasma.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin:</p>
<p>True that.  </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see the response to King Jay&#8217;s latest edict will be here east of the Cascades (land o deplorables) this weekend.  Will I have to mask up to enter the big box stores (Home Despot)  and Wallyworld?  Open carry (N-95 that is) and don when necessary?</p>
<p>OT  Red Cross has required mask use for donations for about 2 months now, but since 6/15/19 they have been doing Winnie the Flu antibody tests.  I tested negative, so they don&#8217;t need my plasma.</p>
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		By: Griffin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Their fudging the numbers previously has lost them a lot of trust so now a lot of people aren’t going to be so sheep like.  

Once you lose a big enough portion of the public’s trust it’s hard to get it back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their fudging the numbers previously has lost them a lot of trust so now a lot of people aren’t going to be so sheep like.  </p>
<p>Once you lose a big enough portion of the public’s trust it’s hard to get it back.</p>
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		By: KyndyllG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Arizona. As noted, I have a lot of friends/family there. I heard reliable info in the last few days that the numbers are not real. There are things being counted as &quot;cases&quot; which didn&#039;t come from a positive test. (This came from an inside source. There&#039;s a lot of profit, financially, politically and otherwise, from checking that COVID-19 box.) I don&#039;t know what to think of that, as I have heard about some shady stuff but not outright falsification. However, the % hospitalization of confirmed cases dropped like a rock during the time the % positive jumped from 5-ish to 15+.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Arizona. As noted, I have a lot of friends/family there. I heard reliable info in the last few days that the numbers are not real. There are things being counted as &#8220;cases&#8221; which didn&#8217;t come from a positive test. (This came from an inside source. There&#8217;s a lot of profit, financially, politically and otherwise, from checking that COVID-19 box.) I don&#8217;t know what to think of that, as I have heard about some shady stuff but not outright falsification. However, the % hospitalization of confirmed cases dropped like a rock during the time the % positive jumped from 5-ish to 15+.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot:

You say you read my links, but I wonder if you missed the part about the 1968 flu season, which was worse than a &quot;regular&quot; flu season but was barely a blip on the radar screen of almost everyone alive at the time who remembers. We didn&#039;t miss a beat. 

And I cited a death toll that was NOT three years&#039; worth. Here&#039;s the quote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The US death toll for Hong Kong flu from the period from July 1968 until the winter of 1969-70 is estimated at about 100,000, with most of the dead being in the over-65 group. This was in a population numbering about 201,000,000 at the time. So corrected for today’s population, the death toll would have been the equivalent of around 163,000. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The 1957 &quot;Asian&quot; flu - which I also lived through and remember, and which was a little bigger of a deal but which was nothing even remotely like the brouhaha of COVID, killed the equivalent of over 200,000 people in the US in a single season.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assistant Village Idiot:</p>
<p>You say you read my links, but I wonder if you missed the part about the 1968 flu season, which was worse than a &#8220;regular&#8221; flu season but was barely a blip on the radar screen of almost everyone alive at the time who remembers. We didn&#8217;t miss a beat. </p>
<p>And I cited a death toll that was NOT three years&#8217; worth. Here&#8217;s the quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>The US death toll for Hong Kong flu from the period from July 1968 until the winter of 1969-70 is estimated at about 100,000, with most of the dead being in the over-65 group. This was in a population numbering about 201,000,000 at the time. So corrected for today’s population, the death toll would have been the equivalent of around 163,000. </p></blockquote>
<p>The 1957 &#8220;Asian&#8221; flu &#8211; which I also lived through and remember, and which was a little bigger of a deal but which was nothing even remotely like the brouhaha of COVID, killed the equivalent of over 200,000 people in the US in a single season.</p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But this is worse by all measures and we aren’t done yet.&quot; AVI

As a person that had it and whose husband almost died as a result of the mishandling of it I have a strong opinion on this.  The CDC bears the bulk of the responsibility for the mishandling.  They had one job, have a protocol for a pandemic. They didn&#039;t. Shut down to flatten the curve so hospitals can respond to the sick?  If that was in play, why was my husband, a known positive for COVID-19 sent home without so much as being asked the questions regarding the reasons he was brought to the hospital?  It was a miracle that by the time I brought him back (after 2 calls to paramedics to our home) that he survived.  It wasn&#039;t the virus but the resultant cytokine storm that almost took his life. The hospital ultimately came through, but with thousands praying at that point I consider that a divine grace. (Especially when I compare what happened to that actor at Cedars Sinai at the same time.)  I was over the fever by day 3, but wore an N95 mask for 20 minutes and suffered a terrible relapse bringing on the worst symptoms for 2 weeks. I fully believe I would have completely recovered had I not breathed in the germs and carbon dioxide rather than maximum oxygen. I base this on a conversation with my software tutor who had it (she and her husband, each in their early 60&#039;s) and it was a couple days in bed with a fever and then all better, no residual issues.  Somewhere between what our government did (didn&#039;t do) regarding ebola and now COVID-19 there exists a proper response.  I would like to add that my husband was with 2 people from our office in a closed-door meeting, no windows at a table in close proximity within less than 2 hours of his first symptoms appearing.  Neither one got it. I did get it exactly 2 days after and had the exact same initial symptoms, coughing during the night--but able to sleep and waking with a fever.  But I had spent the one night in the same bed when he was coughing.  We thought he had come down with an allergy-induced cold, never imagining it was the SARS-CoV-2 virus as at that time we didn&#039;t know anyone who had it or was exposed.  In the aftermath, we discovered that a subcontractor had gone to the ER 2 days before as he was having chest pains but got the A-0K and went to work.  He ended up showing other symptoms a little later on and tested positive.  We are reasonably certain he was the source.  My husband did suffer some damage to an artery and had to have an angioplasty (no heart damage) but again it is completely reasonable to assume the cytokine storm was the cause. Had he received proper, timely care, I am certain he would have been completely fine--no residual issues.  There has been so much disinformation about this virus, a lot of people are clueless and we are the worse for it.  Ebola or COVID-19 could have served to teach people how to practice good hygiene and be careful. Instead this time around fear was loosed and instead of people properly responding to the fact that germs can be dangerous and infections may kill you we went off the deep-end. (And I speak as a known germaphobe!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But this is worse by all measures and we aren’t done yet.&#8221; AVI</p>
<p>As a person that had it and whose husband almost died as a result of the mishandling of it I have a strong opinion on this.  The CDC bears the bulk of the responsibility for the mishandling.  They had one job, have a protocol for a pandemic. They didn&#8217;t. Shut down to flatten the curve so hospitals can respond to the sick?  If that was in play, why was my husband, a known positive for COVID-19 sent home without so much as being asked the questions regarding the reasons he was brought to the hospital?  It was a miracle that by the time I brought him back (after 2 calls to paramedics to our home) that he survived.  It wasn&#8217;t the virus but the resultant cytokine storm that almost took his life. The hospital ultimately came through, but with thousands praying at that point I consider that a divine grace. (Especially when I compare what happened to that actor at Cedars Sinai at the same time.)  I was over the fever by day 3, but wore an N95 mask for 20 minutes and suffered a terrible relapse bringing on the worst symptoms for 2 weeks. I fully believe I would have completely recovered had I not breathed in the germs and carbon dioxide rather than maximum oxygen. I base this on a conversation with my software tutor who had it (she and her husband, each in their early 60&#8217;s) and it was a couple days in bed with a fever and then all better, no residual issues.  Somewhere between what our government did (didn&#8217;t do) regarding ebola and now COVID-19 there exists a proper response.  I would like to add that my husband was with 2 people from our office in a closed-door meeting, no windows at a table in close proximity within less than 2 hours of his first symptoms appearing.  Neither one got it. I did get it exactly 2 days after and had the exact same initial symptoms, coughing during the night&#8211;but able to sleep and waking with a fever.  But I had spent the one night in the same bed when he was coughing.  We thought he had come down with an allergy-induced cold, never imagining it was the SARS-CoV-2 virus as at that time we didn&#8217;t know anyone who had it or was exposed.  In the aftermath, we discovered that a subcontractor had gone to the ER 2 days before as he was having chest pains but got the A-0K and went to work.  He ended up showing other symptoms a little later on and tested positive.  We are reasonably certain he was the source.  My husband did suffer some damage to an artery and had to have an angioplasty (no heart damage) but again it is completely reasonable to assume the cytokine storm was the cause. Had he received proper, timely care, I am certain he would have been completely fine&#8211;no residual issues.  There has been so much disinformation about this virus, a lot of people are clueless and we are the worse for it.  Ebola or COVID-19 could have served to teach people how to practice good hygiene and be careful. Instead this time around fear was loosed and instead of people properly responding to the fact that germs can be dangerous and infections may kill you we went off the deep-end. (And I speak as a known germaphobe!)</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lot of stuff to process.
First, Inslee&#039;s order in Washington state for facial coverings in public, outdoors or indoors, is qualified with &quot;when unable to maintain social distancing&quot;, so it&#039;s not a blanket order to wear a face covering.
There are exemptions for various health related conditions, the deaf or hard of hearing, or children under five.

Second, the &quot;surge&quot; in cases is something, though surge might be slightly hyperbolic. Arizona is a good example. While the number of tests has gone up dramatically in the last month and a half, and positive tests have gone up, which would be expected-- the percentage of people testing positive has gone up from 10% to over 20%, which are numbers seen in New York. In my state, Washington, the number has remained under 5%, and the number of confirmed cases is actually coming down.
I&#039;ve read speculation it&#039;s the virus is becoming less lethal, or that as people move back outside they&#039;re not getting the same &quot;viral load&quot; as when they were sheltered indoors. It&#039;s also possible that more people are using the hydroxy/zithro cocktail earlier, avoiding hospitalization.
In the case of Arizona, are people moving back indoors as the summer temperatures increase to an uncomfortable level?
I ran across this study how to reduce infections indoors and the central takeaway is to increase outdoor ventilation. 
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/indoor-spread-covid-19-can-be-lessened-experts-say

Also here&#039;s a website that graphs the COVID data.
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&#038;highlight=Arizona&#038;show=highlight-only&#038;y=highlight&#038;scale=linear&#038;data=testPositivity-daily-7&#038;data-source=ctp&#038;xaxis=right-4wk#states-normalized

When you consider that we have a flu and pneumonia vaccine it&#039;s not wrong in my estimation to compare covid19 to the flu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of stuff to process.<br />
First, Inslee&#8217;s order in Washington state for facial coverings in public, outdoors or indoors, is qualified with &#8220;when unable to maintain social distancing&#8221;, so it&#8217;s not a blanket order to wear a face covering.<br />
There are exemptions for various health related conditions, the deaf or hard of hearing, or children under five.</p>
<p>Second, the &#8220;surge&#8221; in cases is something, though surge might be slightly hyperbolic. Arizona is a good example. While the number of tests has gone up dramatically in the last month and a half, and positive tests have gone up, which would be expected&#8211; the percentage of people testing positive has gone up from 10% to over 20%, which are numbers seen in New York. In my state, Washington, the number has remained under 5%, and the number of confirmed cases is actually coming down.<br />
I&#8217;ve read speculation it&#8217;s the virus is becoming less lethal, or that as people move back outside they&#8217;re not getting the same &#8220;viral load&#8221; as when they were sheltered indoors. It&#8217;s also possible that more people are using the hydroxy/zithro cocktail earlier, avoiding hospitalization.<br />
In the case of Arizona, are people moving back indoors as the summer temperatures increase to an uncomfortable level?<br />
I ran across this study how to reduce infections indoors and the central takeaway is to increase outdoor ventilation.<br />
<a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/indoor-spread-covid-19-can-be-lessened-experts-say" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/indoor-spread-covid-19-can-be-lessened-experts-say</a></p>
<p>Also here&#8217;s a website that graphs the COVID data.<br />
<a href="https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&#038;highlight=Arizona&#038;show=highlight-only&#038;y=highlight&#038;scale=linear&#038;data=testPositivity-daily-7&#038;data-source=ctp&#038;xaxis=right-4wk#states-normalized" rel="nofollow ugc">https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&#038;highlight=Arizona&#038;show=highlight-only&#038;y=highlight&#038;scale=linear&#038;data=testPositivity-daily-7&#038;data-source=ctp&#038;xaxis=right-4wk#states-normalized</a></p>
<p>When you consider that we have a flu and pneumonia vaccine it&#8217;s not wrong in my estimation to compare covid19 to the flu.</p>
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